Dr. Laura says that some women like to be raped.

[11 Bravo]

It occurs to me that I may have initially posted this in the wrong forum. Her direct quote was, "Some women like to be dragged up the stairs." She then continued to propose that all wives should be submissive to their husbands (Larry King Live, 9:30 EST). As a happily married man, I've got to say that "submissive" is not one of the traits I was looking for in a wife.

[Cleita]

1. Ayayayay.

This must be the Scarlett O'Hara, Rhett Butler fantasy. Where did she get her credentials????

[Cannikin]

3. The Rush Limbaugh Institute of Conservative Studies

[Hippo_Tron]

29. You mean the EIB Network for Advanced Conservative Studies...

With the "B" backwards. I wonder what that place is like, Rush limbaugh transferring his brain a bunch of clones?

[SOteric]

9. As I recall, her doctorate is in sociology or anthropology,

or something of the like. She's not a psychologist. If you've ever heard her show, she doesn't claim to sort out people's emotional troubles. She dispenses advice on morality. Morality only, (as interpretted by some mean-ass-bastard of a god I wouldn't worship) - and she's not particularly warm and fuzzy when she goes about it.

[Cleita]

12. I have heard pieces of her show while station surfing, but

since I'm not into the self-help stuff, or more accurately someone telling me how to live my life, I have never heard the full content.

[tabasco]

14. She is completely unworthy to preach morals to anybody.

Why do people listen to these hypocrites, let alone believe them?

[truth2power]

26. Her doctorate is in physiology, IIRC. n/t

[LifeDuringWartime]

2. eh?

i'm not a woman so this doesn't make sense to me… my gut tells me she is off her rocker

[kixot]

4. Has she fucking lost it?

I mean, ok, some women have serious relationship dysfunctions but to make an irresponsible statement like that only reinforces negative behavior by men who think that beating up a woman is acceptible because she LIKES IT?

Fuck Dr. Laura, fuck her with the green end of a pineapple.

[kdmorris]

8. I would say YES

She has definitely fucking lost it

[Ilsa]

21. Well said. Thank you. Maybe she would like that.

[roguevalley]

61. She's a complete hypocrite.

Never spoke to her mom. Her mom was dead for two weeks until a neighbor found her. Doesn't speak with her sister. Married a man who left his family for her. Tells women to stay home and take care of their spawn even while she works. She's a complete hypocrite in every place you can measure.

If you have a strong stomach, Bartcop has her nudie pictures posted at his site: www.bartcop.com.

She wears dog collars and has no shame.

[jmowreader]

59. She would like that

I have a better idea: Let's just ignore Dr. Laura Mengele.

[Military Brat]

5. Yeah? Well, Dr. Laura is probably a closet masochist.

What an idiot, idiot, idiot, idiot, idiot.

[alcuno]

6. She's mentally unhinged.

I love men, but her theory seems to be that all the things that are wrong with men are the fault of women. The title of her book is an insult to both sexes.

[FreeperSlayer]

7. Could we hear from the...

..."I like it rough" school v calling it rape?

[11 Bravo]

20. Yeah, I believe they've shown up now.

n/t

[loudnclear]

10. I believe she is speaking for herself.

But chances are slim to none that anyone would want to.

[Name removed]

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[Military Brat]

17. Clearly it is quite common? Did you really mean that?

I don't know what circles you run in, but it's not "common" amongst the folks I have known. Degraded???

Sheesh!

[foreigncorrespondent]

13. Yes...

...I remember when my ex raped me. I so enjoyed being slapped around, and dragged across the room, just so he could have his way with me. Really turns me on! </sarcasm>

[snoochie]

15. Did she say 'rape'?

From what you posted, that's not what she said. She's an idiot but we shouldn't put words in her mouth. Many, many Christians think women should be submissive. It's in the bible, ya know?

Anyway, in reference to FreeperSlayer's post above, I'd say that she's not talking about 'liking it rough'. Liking it rough doesn't necessarily mean you're submissive or that this idea of submission spreads into other areas of your life. Sex is one thing (and fantasy and role playing and all that's included therein) - asserting your wants and needs as an equal partner is completely 100 percent different.

[The Zanti Regent]

16. Did Ms Morality give Gambler Bennett and Junky Rush a Pass?

Oh, I am SO SURE SHE DID!

Knowing that partisan piglet, she was still blaming Bill Clinton's Zipper for all the evil in the world1

[Cocoa]

57. she gave herself a pass

they form the trifecta of discredited moralizers: Rush, Dr. Laura and Bennett.

[are_we_united_yet]

18. Geez, I didn't think she smoked crack

[punpirate]

19. "Dr. Laura" needs...

simultaneous high colonic and electro-shock treatments. Either that, or 48 hours in a locked room with the latest governor of California....

[Liberal_Dog]

22. Dr. Laura Despises Women

Dr. Laura has always reminded me of Dr Janice Lester from the original Star Trek episode "Turnabout Intruder". Just like Dr. Lester, she believes women are weak and would like to punish them for it.

[LTR]

23. Is this the justification...

For Dr. Laura's decision in the 70's to pose for those raunchy nude pix?

I've got two words for ya, Laura: Weed Whacker.

[LibertyorDeath]

24. What a completely irresponsible thing to say.

Some Women and Men for that matter may enjoy the occasional Rape "Fantasy" emphasis on Fantasy.

But what Dr. Laura does by stating shit like this publicly is give comfort and reassurance to every knuckle dragging violent sadistic control freak that gets off on Rape. Not the Fantasy but the real Violent and Disgusting act.

So Fuck you Dr. Laura

[kskiska]

25. Dr. Laura's best hope is that some guy will drag her up the stairs

That's the only sort of sex she can expect at this point.

[LiberalFighter]

46. She probably be happier if it was a gorilla that did her

[fortyfeetunder]

58. With that chicken neck she has and layered powder face?

A gorilla would have the sense to put a brown bag on her face before doing her....

[ComerPerro]

60. I wouldn't drag her up the stairs, but

I would gladly kick her down the stairs...

[CalebHayes]

27. She better call the ACLU too save her ass!!

[devilgrrl]

28. Sounds like she's projecting with her own twisted desires...

if those nudie pics of herself are any indication. Bet she enjoys being slapped around too.

What a disgusting human being. :puke:

[salinen]

32. O.K. I can't take this anymore

I admit that I fantasize that Dr. Laura and I are S/M partners. She has on a leather outfit with studs at her nipples and a bear trap at her bear trap. She whips me till I bleed and then drags me to her office and does me with a chew toy. Are you all happy now.

[ldf]

45. salinen, could you please make a video of that?

:-)

[RandomKoolzip]

30. Oh you have got to be kidding me.

Women should NOT be raped, but Dr. Laura should definitely be gagged.

How is it possible for a woman to feel no tinge of guilt as she is basically giving her male listeners license to assault women sexually? Jesus, this is sad.


A friend of mine once told me, and I believe her, that the main obstacle for women truly earning full first-class citizenhood is ignorant women.

I hope Dr. Laura apologizes for this, then quits.

[Nobody]

31. I really didn't need to hear her sexual fantasy

She may fantasize about being dragged up a flight of stairs by her man, but I doubt that most women would want that.

How dare she speak for all 3 billion female humans on this planet.

[cryofan]

33. OK, let's admit it--she is basically RIGHT

You know, I dislike Bush and the corporatist capitalist regime and the fundies as much as anyone. But let's admit something please: just because one THEM said something, that does not mean it is WRONG.

If we Dems really want to dominate politics, we should find and accept truth wherever it is, and from whomever we can. In this case, Dr Laura is right. Some women, sometimes, like it rough. We are we kidding!? Rape fantasies are not all uncommon in women....

[trumad]

34. yah...and so is beastiality...

Sure there are some women and men with deviant behavior but thats not the context in which the fake doctor was talking about....

[REP]

35. Come Back After You've Been Raped

and tell us how good it was. Don't try to say, "It's not the same when men are raped!" Rape is rape, and if women are secretly yearning to be hurt, terrified and degraded well, hell - men must be yearning for it to happen to them, too.

[kayell]

36. "Rape fantasies are not all uncommon in women"

Sounds like you're doing a bit of fantasizing yourself their bub. Been in TX too long? Where exactly did you learn these interesting "facts" about women's fantasies? It must not have been from talking to many women, especially the alarmingly high percentage in this country that have actually been raped or suffered partner abuse. :mad:

I suggest that you do a bit more reading about rape (and fantasies) before you start spouting such neanderthal opionions. Start here. http://www.ccasa.org/documents/Rape_Myths_&_Facts.pdf

---snip to page 3, but read the whole thing - you need it.
Myth: Women have rape fantasies and secretly desire rape. If you are going to beraped, you might as well relax and enjoy it.

Fact: When people have sexual fantasies of seduction, they choose the circumstancesand characteristics of their seducer. They are in control. In rape, the victim is never incontrol. There is a big difference between fantasy and reality.Rape is neither relaxing nor enjoyable. Again, victims often submit without struggle due to fear of physical force, or because the assailant is armed with a deadly weapon.Victims’ responses to rape reflect the violence and intense trauma of the event.

After being raped:
42% reported feeling afraid of men.
28% said it affected their sex lives.
27% felt less independent or more afraid of being on their own.
28% said it damaged their trust in male-female relationships.
18% felt worthless or lost self-respect.
17% felt hostile toward men.
10% sustained physical injuries.
7% reported suicidal impulses.
5% suffered nightmares.

[cryofan]

41. BODICE-RIPPERS are NOT written for men, but for women

This is also meant as a reply to others who replied to my post.

I would hate to be raped. But some women, sometimes, fantasize about being forced. Period. PLease do not try to tell me otherwise. I find it laughable that any adult will try to tell me otherwise.

I have personally had more than one woman hint that she wanted me to tear her clothes off! But I do not base my thoughts on this only on my own experiences, but instead mainly on my knowledge gained from life.

And, OBVIOUSLY, just because a woman may fantasize about having some office hunk force her, it does not mean she wants to be raped by the stranger standing next to her at the bus stop. That would be quite traumatic!

Who do you think they write bodice-rippers for? And what does the ripping of the bodice imply? FORCE! And force means passion and spontaneity. This is what many women crave at times......

[spooky3]

52. but, Cryofan, don't you see how the fact Kayell reported

relates to what you are saying? In the bodice rippers, women get to choose their partners and they pick handsome, perfect guys who are crazy about them (at least it looks that way from what I know about Fabio's career :-)). They don't get hurt or dragged up the stairs (ow, who wants bruising and broken bones?). Your girlfriend wanted you, and if she didn't, the situation would be completely different. I presume you don't tear the clothes of women who tell you they don't want you to or force women who tell you you are hurting them. This is completely different from what Dr. Laura is implying and what many of her listeners will hear.

[leesa]

53. What does fantasy play have to do with RAPE. You are simply wrong

and misguided. Pity the poor woman who says "no" to you. You will go ahead anyway???

[11 Bravo]

54. She didn't say some women enjoy fantasizing ...

about being dragged up the stairs, she said they enjoyed the act itself. There is a world of difference.

[Suspicious]

39. Accept truth?

In this case, "Dr." Laura is dead wrong and nowhere near right. Whether or not she used the actual word "rape", your post is a prime example of the type of thinking statements like hers elicit in men (and women).

As a woman with many female friends, I find your assertion that "rape fantasies are not all uncommon (sic) in women" to be highly offensive - it is completely untrue, and I'm wondering what information you are basing this ridiculous statement on?

[kodi]

37. if she doesn't speak from experience, she best shut up about "fun" rapes

.

[buycitgo]

38. whenEVER that name comes up, all you have to do is this:

send them here

http://www.bartcop.com/mengidx.htm

[Q]

40. Ah...the old 'women as objects/property' syndrome...

...which plagued this nation not to long ago.

- I can see that it still survives despite all our talk about 'equality' of the sexes.

[dusty64]

42. I still can't believe anyone

listens to this hypocritical POS. Why?

[Skittles]

43. I don't get it either

pictures of her privates are on the internet and her mother lay dead on the floor for months before being discovered. Yet people want HER advice? It boggles the mind.

[opihimoimoi]

44. She reminds me of the Granny in old Playboy Mags always wanting the Boys

to drag her off to the bushes.,

[spooky3]

50. thanks for bringing that up, Skittles. I was going to do it myself

but was afraid people would say it's irrelevant, but I don't think it is. The fact that she had a bad relationship (or worse) with her mother may or may not have been her fault, but it surely affected her warped view of the universe and need to control and exploit other people.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

47. These conservatives are ALWAYS trying to push Dominant/Submissive sex

I say Dr. Laura's private sexual life is none of my business, and she needs to stop pushing her partical submissive fantasies as if everyone should be into it. What next, she wants to add BSDM into sex ed?

:eyes:

[rasputin1952]

48. The lifetime I've spent fighting for equality of the sexes...

is wiped away by one moron's comments over the air? Well This Ain't Gonna Happen without a fight.:grr:

I suppose that the Knuckle Draggers that listen to her 'program', now feel they are justified to assault women physically, sexually and psychologically. Did she suddenly find Rush's stash? :shrug:

I certainly wish that I could get on the airwaves and refute this assinine statement. But I am a 'nobody', and often a lone voice in the night. I have never faltered in my fight for the Equality of all, and I may be a lone voice, but I am a powerful voice.

We will NOT go back to the 16th century; we will NOT go back to yesterday, we will move forward. If for nothing else than the fact that it is the right thing to do.

O8)

[lulu]

49. Yes, and all men are potential rapists.

Her reasoning is sick. It perpetuates the myth that men are violent and women are willing victims.

[leesa]

51. Interesting. Doesn't the phrase "against her will" define the rape of

a woman? Must be sharing Rush's oxycodone.

[RapidCreek]

55. you and me both

nt

RC

[Pithlet]

56. Geez, did someone pass a memo out on the right?

First this http://www.leanleft.com/archives/002190.html

Then Dr. Laura. For a woman to buy this crap is truly twisted. I've always known the woman was off her rocker, but this is just insane.

[Moderator]

62. I'm locking this.

It's not just that this subject is highly inflammatory and invites sexist rhetoric; and it's not just that the Original Message breaks GDF Rules. Far more significant is the fact that many valued members of our community have had experiences that deserve to be treated with far greater sensitivity than is evident in some (thankfully not most) of the posts to this thread. A far, far better comprehension of these issues, and respect for the survivors, might be better obtained by investing whatever time one might spend attending to pop exploitation of these issues working instead with a local Sexual Assault Response Center or Women and Children's Shelter.

Thanks for your understanding and cooperation,
(a perhaps too preachy) DU Moderator