Paul O'Neill Iraq "bombshell"

[Terwilliger]

Poll question: Paul O'Neill Iraq "bombshell"

[Homer12]

1. It will be tangible

Becuase O'Neill was an insider and a conservative-to-boot.

[Terwilliger]

3. but what?

whats going to happen?

Hell, it's been 6 months since Plame was out by an administration official, and very little about that case has impacted anything...much less the American public.

[Homer12]

6. Its all about credability...

....O'Neill has it. Plus, as I said, he's a well respected conservative not a lefty, democrat, liberal, etc.....

If anything it adds more onto the credability gap Buscho has and paints Bush as a warmonger.

This will hurt the GOP and the right.

In what ways, lets vote......other people, who are trying not to beleive that Buscho and the PNAC are bottom-feeders, will start to get the idea.

[Terwilliger]

11. well, we'll see

but there have been so many other examples of why Bush is untrustworthy before, and yet he still gets big support

Hell, John Kerry said Bush was "a good man trying to do good things" I guess he's fooled too.

[lancdem]

15. It is hard to get too excited for that reason

we've been disappointed to so many times before.

[kysrsoze]

24. It's frustrating, but I'm trying to be patient

I'm keeping in mind that the Plame investigation and the official 9/11 investigation are not over yet. I'll be quite interested to see what comes out of them (assuming they don't disappear) after the things O'Neill has said. I'd also like to see all those documents made public.

So I wait....

[CatWoman]

2. I think time will tell

after the 60 minutes segment tomorrow.

Also -- watch how its handled on the talk shows tomorrow.

[Mari333]

4. I sent the msnbc story to my mom, a staunch Repub

soooooo she went and signed the www.impeachbush.org petition!
Shes madddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

Now, THATS progress!!

[izzie]

5. Face it, if Bush turns out to be Jack the Ripper Republicans would

love the man.They do not care only that their man is in the WH.

[AndyTiedye]

7. No Impact Whatsoever

Nothing ever sticks to them. The media sees to that.

[Homer12]

8. There's always those type of people who will never believe.

They'll rot in their own hatred. I pity them.

[arcane1]

14. Bush is not Clinton

for some, that's all that matters. If he turns out to actually be worse than Clinton, they will support him even more to avoid losing face (and avoid saying that the libruls were right!)

[calimary]

37. But he already HAS turned out to be worse than Clinton.

[guajira]

9. I have no idea what "bombshell" you're talking about, but

I always thought Paul O'Neil had way too much class for the B* bunch!

[lancdem]

10. Is it about how Bush planned to invade Iraq before 9/11?

[Terwilliger]

12. check LBN or GD...there are many threads

[Nite Owl]

13. I doubt that it will do

very much to this Administration. Remember the last time he got a alot of 'bad press'? When they were actually reporting the number of our troops being killed each day? Telling how bad it was in Iraq? They came out and told them to start reporting all the good things? The media was put in it's place and hasn't recovered since. This will be a one day story at best. Sure hope I'm wrong. Wish there was something we could do. CNN doesn't even answer my e-mails anymore.

[laruemtt]

16. gird yourselves -

lead story monday a.m. will be peterson / michael jackson / kobe - pick one.

[Lefty48197]

20. This will be interesting to look for.

FOX and MSGOP will probably go real heavy on one of the other stories you mentioned.

[qanda]

17. Karl says, Never fear...

The weapons of mass distraction are here!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=308105

[DrBB]

18. Will be a much more modulated and attenuated statement

...than the pre-publicity buzz machine wants people to think it will be. That's the usual pattern. He's said a few things that will come out as much more modestly critical in context than the reports we've been seeing, tied up with some kind of forelock-tugging nod to the overall wisdom and boldness of Bush's leadership.

But of course I do hope I'm drastically and embarrassingly wrong about that.

[Lefty48197]

19. It's ALREADY had a huge impact

The right wing media has been SILENT for 24 hours. What a blessing! They're scrambling trying to figure out how to respond to this. The 60 minutes episode should be huge. I think this thing has legs already.

[Terwilliger]

21. well, we can at least hype 60 Minutes to friends and family

get people to tune in

[jab105]

22. I'm guessing it will have no impact...

if the Carnegie report has had no impact, then this definitely wont...nobody cares...I dont get it...but they just dont...

[mlawson]

33. Do you remember the Reagan years??

No amount of danaging revelations had ANY impact against Ronnie. The people simply refused to hear anything against him. I darkly fear that bush is bestowed with a Reagan-like supercoating of teflon.

[saltpoint]

23. I'd like to hear what Pat Buchanan --

-- has to say about O'Neill's claim. When O'Neill was fired, Buchanan, on Buchanan & Press, said that he thought there was no convincing evidence that O'Neill had done such a bad job, and that the way the Bush White House handled the dismissal was unprofessional. Pat can blister fellow GOPers when he wants to.

If Rove tries to smear O'Neill on this, and of course he will, it might provoke a Buchanan candidacy. I think Buchanan thinks O'Neill was done wrong and a Rove smear job could be the trigger switch.

I'm appalled at Buchanan's far-right views, but he at least keeps to a consistent code. I don't think Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft HAVE a code, at least not an ethical one.

[AG78]

25. I doubt it does

Why would this lie be any different?

I hope it makes a difference. I really do. There's nothing I would hope for more right now. This is the future of everything that we do. I really do hope this makes a difference.

[Terwilliger]

26. good...more votes gives a better sampling

:argh:

[ulysses]

27. some, but

unless someone in the spotlight keeps at it, it'll drop dead in a week.

[Terwilliger]

29. a la "16 Words"

and everything else :-(

[ulysses]

30. right, although jpgray may have a point.

Keep chipping away.

[Terwilliger]

31. he may

but we're using a taphammer on a mountain the way things are going

not that I'm a pessimist or anything :D

[ulysses]

32. not you, no...

:D

[jpgray]

28. Believe it or not, this all chips away at voters

Just as the constant casting of Al Gore as a phony, inveterate liar made a dent, so too will these stories.

[mlawson]

34. It all depends upon the thickness of bush's teflon coating.

Remember the 1980s?? Nothing, but NOTHING got through Ronnie's teflon. I darkly fear that bush has one, too. Not sure yet, but I suspect he does.

[leesa]

36. He doesn't have a teflon coating, the media is purchased by the GOP

The media will do their treasonous best to bury the story behind sensationalist shark stories and/or crotch sniffing stories and the alert will be raised to orange to keep the "terrorist" mythology alive.

[joanski01]

35. I think unfortunately that it

will have a negligible impact. I heard a caller on C-Span say that at least this pResident* can keep his pants on. They don't care about much else, other than body parts.

[ignatius]

38. If they had planned this war in the first quarter of 01,this is

documented, and shows the cause was oil, then it most certainly does away with the rush to war before we go up in mushroom clouds lies that Bush fed to the American people.

The UN wanted more time to find the WMD's, but Bush,Cheney, and Powell insisted that there was no time...the world was in immediate danger and we had to act quickly. The timeline is the significance here. If Iraq was such a huge danger that this administration was planning on this war since the 1st quarter of 01, then why didn't we act sooner? Why 2 years later?

IMHO, this proves the BIG LIE...particularly if there is official documentation. I hope we get to have a look at those papers and as others have said, a look at Cheney's secret energy papers as well.

[UTUSN]

39. NOVAKula Already Started the Smear on O'NEILL

On Capital Gang, his outrage of the week was O'NEILL, saying he was an outsider in the Mal-administration, that the lesson to Shrub was NOT to pick "somebody he didn't know" for a job. In other words, they're going to paint him as a "disgruntled employee". Typical totalitarian technique, smearing whistleblowers as mentally ill, the way DRUDGE and others tried with BROCK.

[DrBB]

41. Yeah. "Disloyalty" is the accusation whenever their crimes are exposed

Doesn't change the facts. Doesn't even challenge the facts. Tacitly ADMITS the facts, in fact. But that doesn't stop 'em from thinking it somehow trumps the actual revelations.

Compare the Wilson thing. He proved a BushCorp lie. Their defense? He wasn't really on their side! He was anti-Bush!

Thus they train the public in their own cynicism: there is no truth, only political allignment. Those who are not with us are against us! That's all they've got. And they think it's enough.

And god knows, given the apparent decrease in the average IQ in the US, they may be right.

[AlinPA]

40. Media will not cover it very long. One or two days.

Then its on to Bush's "space vision". Or to make a big deal out of the chemicals found from 10 years ago.

[are_we_united_yet]

42. I'm hoping for a cumulative impact

Plame-Gate
Yellow Cake-Gate
O'Neil-Gate
(NO) WMD-Gate
Job losses
etc...

[Terwilliger]

43. kicking for Sunday