Freepers saying plans to invade Iraq were "contingency plans"

[dd123]

Yeah right!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1055545/posts

To: Bouldin
And there is a plan to got to war with North Korea and Red China to. Every White House has had them and if they didn't they would be negligent.

2 posted on 01/10/2004 6:05:09 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Bouldin
Even Trinidad has a war plan for Tobago.

5 posted on 01/10/2004 6:10:55 PM PST by Consort
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To: Bouldin
If President Bush didn't ask for war plans for our enemies within the first month in office, he wouldn't be doing his job.
We had pilots risking their lives patrolling the "No-Fly Zones" at a huge cat to us, as the U"N. was cashing in on the "Oil for Food" program.

In 1998 Congress passed a resolution calling for Regime change in Iraq, That alone calls for President Bush to make sure he knows all of his options. I'm sure the leftist liberals in the media think they have another scandal to talk about, I guarantee it will back fire on them and only show that the President was just doing his, something his predecessor wasn't capable of.

GOT THAT :-)

To: Bouldin
Of course there was a plan. They're called contingency plans.

7 posted on 01/10/2004 6:13:31 PM PST by luvbach1
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--LOVE this one:

To: Bouldin
Who discusses war plans with the treasury guy?

3 posted on 01/10/2004 6:06:29 PM PST by Bogey78O (Why are we even having this debate?)
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[Renew Deal]

1. They are half right.

The military does have these plans. The White House does not usually ask for these plans. Planning is SOP. What Bushco did was plan for an invasion on Iraq. Like Clark says, 9/11 was an excuse.

[Roon]

2. WRONG!!!

In the book, O'Neill is quoted as saying he was surprised that no one in a National Security Council meeting questioned why Iraq should be invaded. "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill in the book.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtml

[Timefortruth]

3. The truth will not be part of the story.

The Freepers were given the talking points, which will be fact within 24 hours.

[Terwilliger]

4. didn't they say repeatedly that there was "no plan on the table"??

Well, if they had plans starting from the first days of the admin, why did they lie in early 2003 and say that plans for an attack were not outlined?

All of THAT, plus the fact that Cheney's energy papers had blueprints for taking over the Iraqi energy market? Anybody, including reprehensible Freepers, can see they were single-minded on attacking Iraq, and see just exactly why as well.

[Toots]

26. Exactly ~ Either they lied then or they are lying now

One way or another they are Proven LIARS

[Mikimouse]

5. Verrrrrryyyy Interesting...but Stupid!

I don't understand this one: "We had pilots risking their lives patrolling the "No-Fly Zones" at a huge cat to us, as the U"N. was cashing in on the "Oil for Food" program."

Which huge cat would that be? I can attest to the fact that it was none of mine; I put them under oath and all three of them swore they had nothing to do with Iraq. Musta been one of Will's!
:evilgrin:

[lovedems]

8. That is too funny! I'll check with my cat and see if he is responsible.

I doubt it though, he really doesn't like to go outside.

[A HERETIC I AM]

9. LOL! "Cat" = Freeperspeak for "large financial outlay"?

Does FreeRepublic have a spell checker? If not, and they get one, would these nimrods use it?

The right keeps trying to destroy public education but it seems to me it has been pretty screwed up already based on the posts i have seen from that website.

"Of course we got dem dere guns a- pointed at dem dere evil types. We gots us a WAR PLAN!

[Mikimouse]

11. I'm not sure if there is a spellchecker that would work...

I think that it would probably commit electronic suicide before very much time had elapsed.:evilgrin:

[bunk76]

6. The...

freeps are sheep,and often creeps,they will do what they must to stay
in their deep sleep.

:evilgrin:

[Must_B_Free]

21. hehe

they're awfully keen to make the leap
of faith that it must take to keep
The insanity that we all saw seep
from the mouth of limbaugh to the crooked veep.

it's all so sad I want to weep,
it all went down without a peep,
They even make my mac go eeep!
I cannot wait until they reap,

Makes me say "hey freep, beep beep"
you can't just keep on driving that jeep,
when the gas is gone it'll be a heap,
worth nothing, zero, zilch, zeep!

A sheep freep in a heap jeep will peep a weep when he does reap what a sleep from a creepy veep and a pill popping freak will bring him

[lovedems]

7. Who discusses war with the treasury guy?

They say there is no such thing as a stupid question, but I beg to differ now.

Who buys a car without talking to the "finance guy"? War cost money dumbshit.

[CatWoman]

18. Agreed -- that is the stupidest "defense" I have ever heard of

that guy should be deported for his stupidity.

Logistics -- you get nowhere without it. Nowhere. How will this project be funded? Do we have enough to fund it? If we don't, how can we get around it?

Dumb mother fucker.

[Printer70]

22. The Treasury Secretary doesn't have keys to the Treasury

O'Neill had no inkling when this war was going to happen. You don't need the Treasury Secretary's input on these matters. The financial estimates are made by the Pentagon and their war planners, not by the Treasury Secretary. OMB and CBO can handle the rest.

[CatWoman]

25. ONeil was also part of the National Security Council

spin that..........

[wtmusic]

10. stew, you bastards

worried? who, me? I'm not worried! Why would I be worried?

:scared:

[0007]

12. ..."as the U"N. was cashing in on the "Oil for Food" program"

LOL!! Like Hillary is a lesbian and Web Hubble fathered her daughter Chelsea (sp) and Hillary had Vince Foster murdered.

[Philosophy]

13. They're talking about the wrong "plans"

Quote from the cbsnews story:

"Suskind says O'Neill and other White House insiders he interviewed gave him documents that show that in the first three months of 2001, the administration was looking at military options for removing Saddam Hussein from power and planning for the aftermath of Saddam's downfall -- including post-war contingencies such as peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals and the future of Iraq's oil."

The administration was looking at the military "options" (plans) that already existed, just as the military continuously actively develops plans for fighting any wars that may conceivably occur. The freepers are under the delusional impression that somehow when a new administration gets elected, all the old war plan scenarios that the Pentagon had during the previous administration have to be thrown away, and then the President, being a military tactical genius, personally develops new war plans for every contingency. This delusion likely stems from their fawning hero worship of Bush*.

The damning plans are not those plans at all, instead they are the plans for dealing with the aftermath of the war and divying up the spoils. The military did not have those plans (which is painfully obvious in the current situation in Iraq), and those plans would not be made unless a war was actually imminent. Those plans were made by adnimistration officials and neocons in the civilian defense department on the specific orders of Bush*.

[TacticalPeek]

14. Verified.

Faux news mil talking heads were mentioning it just a while ago. Like, 'every admin has contingency plans'.

But like Bleachers7 said above, that's a truth of the non sequitor variety.

When these numbskulls took office, they enherited the contingency plan to take down Al Queda and the Taliban, along with the clear warning that UBL was a monster threat to our national security. That plan sat in the drawer for eight months. (cricket sound...) Then a 2 x 4 between the eyes forced them to react and the 'Clinton' plan was dusted off and implemented.

Bad judgement, bad decisions, bad outcome.

[Terran]

15. Two problems

Of course the US has contingency plans, but it's not the WH that cooks them up. There's some dusty plan for Iraq in the Pentagon somewhere since like 1978. That's the "contingency plan," not what Rumsfeld et al cooked up.

The other problem is, Bush was quoted as saying, "We're gonna fuck Saddam up!" in front of several Senators and Condie Rice, back in, what early 2001? This is a matter of record. They never lacked any intention of doing this.

[TacticalPeek]

16. A third problem:

Tommy Franks let slip at at news conference that his team had been planning invasion since spring '02.

And judging by the maritime run-up, he probably meant 'detailed planning' in spring '02, with the overall planning starting much earlier.

I never heard peep one in the press when Franks said this. (Surprise.)

And then, for a topper, they didn't even use the plan, ignoring the troublesome fact that the 4th ID egress though Turkey was nixed, contributing greatly to the current debacle.

[wtmusic]

20. Any way to chase that quote down?

Date, link, network, anything?

:shrug:

[Terran]

23. A reference to it here

I'm not familiar with this site, but the article says the original piece was in Time.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/040803.html

It was March 2002, so I'm off by a year...but it was still a year before the invasion happened.

Other references (it's all over the place):

http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo12062003.html

http://www.impeach-bush-now.org/Articles/Bush/consortiuml.htm

http://chblue.com/artman/publish/article_3656.shtml

[Terran]

24. Oops, and here's a link to the original material in Time

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/from_covers/0,10987,1101030331-435968,00.html

(you have to pay for the whole article, but the quote is in the teaser)

[Z-axis]

17. But only Ollie North

had a contingency plan for the WH going to war with the U.S.

z-axis

[leesa]

28. Nor are they cooked up in the Secret Energy meetings Cheney had

What was the bogus reason Dickey gave for hiding this information from "we the people"....'the corrupt oil barons might not do dirty deals with the government if there was a chance we knew about it' (paraphrasing Cheney)

[nomatrix]

19. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

With Stephen Colbert reporting, did a study of "Journalistic Integrity" this past week. As Stephen said (IIRC) when something becomes "widely reported" it becomes a "Factoid" and therefore a fact. No sources, no quotes, in investigation. It was very funny, as usual.
As to starting the spin...

They are already at it. On the radio news I heard about O'Neill book quote. WH spokesperson responded "that we didn't listen to him then so who listens to him now" or something to that effect.

I used to have the 2000 election campaign Time magazines and Bush is quoted prior to taking office, that he planned to "take out Saddam." Who can argue that? It was a campaign promise.

[DebJ]

27. 'contingent' upon the first possible moment/excuse to implement