Democratic candidates/ and PNAC ... Will they ever bring it up?

[rjx]

Will the Democratic candidates ever bring up PNAC? Maybe they will now because of what O'Neill is saying.

Almost all of us on the left know about PNAC, but many on the right are blind to what PNAC is about. I know there will be many that would be all for what PNAC is about, but I am sure there are many blind Republicans that would not support Bush in the 2004 election if they were educated about PNAC.

Its time that PNAC gets the global attention it deserves. People need to know about this. Hell, I have been talking about PNAC for about 2 years? And people always look at me like I am crazy, yet they won't take the time to look into it.

PNAC needs to be on the local news and in the newspapers for all the Republicans that don't have the time to get the real facts on the Internet.

All we need to do to take back our Country is to do the following ...
#1. Explain PNAC - and show who took part in creating the PNAC document.
#2. Show the Bush family connections to terrorism and OBL.
#3. Explain the many warnings the Bush administration ignored -911 / Al Queda / Planes as weapons / the connection between Al Queda and the USS Cole bombing / etc etc etc 

If the Bush supporters that aren't aware of this could get educated and then be reminded about how desperate the Bush administration was to go to war with Iraq, and all the fabricated evidence that Powell presented for the reasons why we should attack, Bush name calling other Nations, and the fear the Bush administration loves to dish out to Americans to secure their support.

It sounds like a lot of work, but all it would take is a few good weeks of coverage to open the eyes of millions of Americans.

All this would show how fraudulent the Bush administration is, and how war / power hungry they are, and that they are willing to do whatever it takes to get what they want, even if it involves losing tens of thousands of lives and losing everything our parents, grand parents and great grand parents worked so hard for.

C'mon patriots, we can do it!

[dogman]

1. Clark has.

he denounced them in a speech fairly recently.

[rjx]

2. Good Job Clark

This guy is gaining more and more of my respect. The more I learn about hime, the more I like him.

Where the hell is Deans comments on PNAC? I don't recall hearing him saying anything about it. He needs to be the one drilling the media about PNAC.

[nickgutierrez]

10. Clark is my favorite "mainstream" candidate

For this very reason. Good for him, and let's hope him talking about it makes the rest of them bring it up.

I'd especially like to hear about how LIEbermann decides to deal with PNAC, if it comes up.

[ConsAreLiars]

15. Clark mentioned PNAC explicitly in "Winning Modern War"

I read it just this weekend and near the end he put out an analysis of recent events that sounded like a reference to PNAC, so I turned to the notes and found the reference was just that, and returned to the text to discover PNAC outed there as well. I heard something from Kerry that made me sure he understood what was going on here also, but don't have a written source for this memory.

From an article on Clark's comments on O'Niell's book:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8308-2004Jan11.html
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Clark first met O'Neill when Clark worked at the White House during the Ford administration, and calls him a man with "100 percent, rock-solid commonsense judgment."

"When he writes that the Bush administration is planning and exchanging documents on how to go to war with Iraq as soon as they took office, that just confirms my worst suspicions about this administration," Clark said.

In Clark's book, "Winning Modern War", which came out in November, the retired Army general traced the plotting of the war in Iraq back to 1996, when he says a group left over from the first Bush administration recommended that Israel focus on removing Saddam from power.

Clark goes on to write that in 1998, the group of 20, which included Donald H. Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, now Defense Secretary and Deputy Defense Secretary, respectively, wrote a letter to President Clinton, asking him to "aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime from power."
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[hippiechick]

3. The Average American can't get their brain around PNAC

... Americans can't accept that 'their country' does the same evil world conquering shit we accuse other 'mad dictators' of doing, and
a Dem candidate would be crazy to try to make that argument because PNAC'ers will paint them as a 'grand conspiracy theorist' ...

... not to mention a potentially very 'suicided grand conspiracy theorist'.

Nicholson was right ... we can't handle the truth.

But we can't handle it because it doesn't jibe with all the 'rah rah Democracy mythology' we've been fed all these years about what our leaders are supposed to be doing.

:hippie:

[tinanator]

4. try searching "Kucinich PNAC"

Looks like we found your candidate! Welcome aboard! :)

[lucidmadman]

5. PNAC is kinda off limits because....

...if you bring it up you get labeled an anti-Semite. It's kinda bullet-proof for that reason.
It's not right that that should be so.
I've heard Bernie Ward talk about it quite a bit on his 10pm to 1am PDT show on KGO in SF.
I think that if people understood that the USA's foreign policy has been hi-jacked by Israeli extremists they would not be happy. To be giving Israel so much military aid makes us very unpopular in the middle-east.
I understand so very little that when I speak up I tend to get in trouble. I don't think I've ever manifested anti-Semitism in my day-to-day behavior or social relations. The PNAC gallery seems to have dual loyalties. It's tragic that they have the 'ear' of our policy makers. I don't know what to do. It seems speaking the truth is off-limits...
Republicans suck...I'd vote for a yellow dog...etc etc.
Democrats suck too. When will we have proportional representation? Like normal countries...?

[rjx]

6. I listen to Bernie & Ray everynight they are on

They are by far two of the best left talk show hosts I have listened to.

[11cents]

7. But the trouble with that theory is that it's not off-limits...

...seemingly, since as mentioned above, Clark and Kucinich have both discussed it, and Clark at least is a leading candidate. In his interview with Josh Marshall, for example, Clark mentioned that PNAC had hobbled Clinton's policy towards Iraq, and during the Carter administration the same group of people, more or less, had worked to cripple Carter's nuclear policies. (At that time the neo-conservative organization was the Committee on the Present Danger, I believe).

[lucidmadman]

9. Thanks....like I say....

...I don't know that much and any help I can get I appreciate. It's strange to me that some of these 'characters' (Cheney, Rummy, Otto Reich, etc. et al) have been around for nigh onto 30 years. It's strange to me that the Reagan 'sleaze factor' isn't a commonplace of basic American political discourse. And Ford?...he was on the WARREN COMMISSION. How could anyone who 'signed off' on that load of BS be a good guy?
Sometimes I think the big secret is that the Nazis won WWII. We just were not told...

[lostnfound]

11. Offlimits because some Dems are signatories, too n/t

[mrdmk]

14. Who are they?

:crazy:

[newyawker99]

12. Hi lucidmadman!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[lucidmadman]

13. Thank you very much...

I was active here about a year ago as lepoeterouge. I think you welcomed me then. You must be one of the good people. I do really appreciate that...be well my friend...anything I can do...just ask...

[LunaC]

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