ONeill on 60 Minutes now.....

[buycitgo]

blind man in room w/deaf people quote

more in a minute

Suskind interviewed several cabinet members..only ONeill spoke on record

says Rumsfeld called ONeill and WARNED him not to talk!

ONeill got no money

[childslibrarian]

1. This is incredible

If only people would listen...:bounce:

[buycitgo]

2. Bush said.....go find me a way to do this: invade Iraq

said that at first meeting, then came up at next meeting

Suskind said NSC meetings involved oilfield contracts, maps, contractors, tribunals, occupation plans

[buycitgo]

3. talks about campaign promise re: humble foreign policy

then ACTIVELY moving toward opposite of campaign promises


forget about the excuse of 911 changing everything.....this started right away

[childslibrarian]

4. O'Neill was speechless

and so am I.....

[Minstrel Boy]

5. 9/11 didn't change everything - Bush did. n/a

[Military Brat]

9. Priceless quote.

Clearly the man is in charge of his faculties. He understands sound bites, doesn't he?

[buycitgo]

13. I know.....the apologists have said that over and over......

in defense of the 180 degree change in foreign policy, even though that doesn't wash anyway.....just look at all the other crap they pulled: Kyoto, World Court, trade agreements, drug pricing.....EVERYthing they did, just about, was unilateral from the getgo

BUT, they use 911 to justify everything, don't they?

[formactv]

29. Hey, Minstrel Boy

We will see that on a bumper sticker!

[nyrnyr1994]

6. They even already divided up the oil fields in jan/feb 2001!

Never wrote to my congressmen and/or senator before, that's going to change tomorrow...

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Good for you

look folks we NEED to start putting presure on the bastards for impeachemtn

And by the way ... I started last February

[brainshrub]

7. I wish I could see this online!!! (nt)

[Momof1]

18. Here is the interview online (no video)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml

Sorry no video, this link was posted earlier today by paulthompson

[Nomad559]

37. In California

I will record It (wmv format) and put It online for those unable to see It.

I am In California, so It will be awhile before I can get It.
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Lasso of Truth

[put out]

52. Oh, yes, please do.

I got to see it in fly-over country. That man is a gol-dang hero. Bravo, sir. I wonder what our administration thinks of this? I hope they're not so insulated they can't hear. On second thought, maybe it should continue to be a blind leader in a room full of deaf people.

[Liberal_Andy]

8. 9/11 didn't change everything!

they had it planned all along, and I've been saying that for a year.

[Specterx]

10. Absolutely unbelievable

I never doubted that Iraq was a fabrication... but this is just beyond anything... if 9/11 had never occured we'd still be in Iraq.

Bush: "But we already gave money to the rich people, why do it again?" :o

!!!!!!!!!!!!

[candy331]

17. Cheney called and told O'neill to resign

O'neill seems very naive saying why will they attack him for telling the truth. Is the man for real?

[buycitgo]

24. he sounded plaintive, bambilike, didn't he?

boy, is HE in for a pleasant near future

[buycitgo]

36. he called him to FIRE him!

not resign.....CSPAN quoted the Time article (my guess) this morning.

I saw/heard it.

Cheney called him.......fired him in a most coldblooded fashion.

THEN, had the effrontery to try to get him to say he was resigning of his own volition.

ONeill says he told Cheney he was "too old to start lying now"

[PaDUer]

11. Please keep this thread

running with what's being said.

[the populist]

14. I am watching

and it is good. :)

"I'm proud to be sitting next to my hero."
"Who? O'Neill?"

What a dick!

[demgrrrll]

22. It was good but they also did everything that they could to prop up the

Chimp. I will say this, he made a brilliant move by saying
that he was astonished that anyone could think that his portrait of the President was unflattering and why would anyone attack him for telling the truth. He didn't bite the bait, now if they attack him
THEY will look like the people with the problem. Brilliant. I love it.

[spooky3]

38. I agree, I interpreted it the same way.

[Blue_Roses]

44. that was

awesome. Did you see the steady smirk he gave to Leslie Stahl? It was clear he knew what he was saying...way to go.

[chelaque liberal]

41. O'Neill said that he feels the nicknames are a form of bullying

[DrBB]

15. "The Vice President called and asked him to resign...."

Worth reiterating, I think: "The VICE PRESIDENT asked him to resign..."

Gee. I awluz thought cabinet ministers served at the pleasure of the, y'know, president n stuff. Any doubts about who's really in charge? I didn't think so.

[jab105]

16. Holy Shit!!

I've been waiting 3 years for an interview like this!!

[buycitgo]

19. so what percentage of the report, now over, was an attack on ONeill?

at least a third, right?

give him a rough time for his intemperate remarks....BLAMING HIM on an abrupt crash in the value of the dollar!!!!

puhhhhhlease........

also nailed him for the Africa trip being during a stock market drop.

also showed clips of dumbo dissing him (with the most REPTILIAN look on his face) at one of those inane "peoples' economic summits"

anyone else think it was quite a bit negative toward him?

[oostevo]

28. Not Necessarily

It had to be somewhat balanced for it not to be attacked as muckraking.

I think they did a very, very good job.

It is just be, or did this segment outline just about everything we've been complaining about for the last three years?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

39. Faux and MSGOP muckrack against the Dem's all the time and....

they are not brought ot accountability for this!

[DrBB]

30. It's not the percentage but the editing. See my post below

And by the way, I have to say, "give him a rough time for his intemperate remarks....BLAMING HIM on an abrupt crash in the value of the dollar!!!!" pretty much describes EXACTLY what we were saying about him around here at the time.

[DoctorMyEyes]

20. WTF???

Clintons people tell them they need to be concerned about Bin Laden and they go straight into Iraqs oil instead?

[jab105]

21. The scary thing was that he didn't understand that he would be attacked...

for telling the truth...
Buy, doesn't he have a thing coming to him from KKKarl!!

[spooky3]

33. yes he does. He's a step ahead of you, jab105.

He's a damn good actor. if you think carefully about what he said, he's asking Lesley whether she as a journalist sees that there is a story there about why an administration would attack a truth-teller. He is framing things so that once the attacks start coming some people will see them as unfair retaliation a la Joe Wilson.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

40. Bingo!

.

[jab105]

42. LOL...

you got me...

I think the question probably was surprising...uhh, Leslie, of course they are going to attack him...

thanks:)(bashful)

[carrowsboy]

23. I'm disgusted!

And the people in this country will still worship at that moron's feet!

Now they are doing a report on our outsourcing to India!

Sickening!

[havocmom]

25. Can't wait for it to be aired here

in the Mountain Standard zone. Thanks to all you eastern DUers for the warm up. And my "Uncovered: the whole truth about the Iraq war" DVD came yesterday! Hope there is enough whiskey in the casa to bring bring my bloodpressure down after all this good stuff on the tellie!

[DemoTex]

26. Paul O'Neil and David Susskind speak.

It was more than convincing. It was damning. Especially for Cheney. I still have doubts that go beyond the revelations on 60 Minutes tonight. But the cat is out of the bag. Run-cat-run!

Whooo hooo! It echoes in the mountains. DemoTex is one happy guy tonight. THANK YOU PAUL AND DAVID, AND CBS!

[DemoTex]

31. CST, MST, and PSTers. Pay closer attention than I did.

Keep a pen and pad ready and jot down the salient points. I wish I had!

[DrBB]

27. My overall response

That stuff at the end about O'Neil not having a clue that he's painting an unflattering protrait of the *administration was carefully sequenced to help put things back in the box, as was the final comment from McCellan.

There are two narrative arcs for this kind of story. One starts with a defense of the target and ends with the big torpedoing statements; the other leads with the torpedos and ends with the defense of the target. The editorial decision as to which one to go with is complex, but it is essentially the calculus by which the editor convinces him or herself that the story is "balanced." We got "both sides" of the story, here, but they selected the clips and arranged them in such a way as to leave O'Neil's credibility, rather than Bush's, as the final question in the viewer's mind.

[formactv]

32. PERCEPTIVE

[Cocoa]

47. one thing for sure

this piece was dominated by editing. O'Neill was hardly even on.

In reality, O'Neill's book is the story, along with Susskind's documents. This piece may be 60 Minutes's' bid to be the definitive O'Neill story, but it's not.

[chelaque liberal]

55. It's Susskind's book and O'neill is just part of it-the only one who spoke

-the only one of several interviewed who spoke on record. O'Neill gave Susskind the documents.

[chelaque liberal]

50. You might be right about their strategy but what about 19,000 documents?

That is pretty hard to discredit.

[the populist]

53. I think it was fair.

I was watching it with my brother-in-law, a Bush supporter, who was speechless after watching it.

[buycitgo]

58. please, what was his reaction, after regaining faculties?

was he surprised at the depth of their lying hypocrisy?

or what?

[DrBB]

59. Nothing like the empirical check

... to rein in High Theory. I know something about editing, though, and I know they could have pushed this for WAY more impact than they did. But it's obvious that they chose to edit it "down" rather than "up." Doesn't mean they quashed the story, obviously--not my point at all. Just that when you look at what they did do, you see them using various techniques to cushion the impact.

I too am curious about what your b-in-law said when he got his breath back.

[economic justice]

34. Paul O'Neill and David Suskind

This book will be absolutely amazing. It is unbelievable to think O'Neill handed over 19,000 documents to Suskind! What a book this will be.

[BeyondGeography]

35. Bad night for ChimpyCo

Treasury Secretary was part of the National Security Council. Two key documents provided to author Susskind:

•Economic plan for post-Sadaam Iraq

•Map of oil fields and accompanying list of contracts

Both dated March 2001.

The story of this bogus war is even worse than thought. Who knew?

And I was amazed by the part about Bush gently questioning the second tax giveaway to the wealthy ("Didn't they already get something? Shouldn't we do more for the middle?") and being talked into it by his POLITICAL advisor Rove ("stick with principle, stick with principle...).

All in all, nauseating stuff.

[et in Arcadia ego...]

43. Now THAT was some reality TV!!!!!!!!

:smoke:

[Killarney]

45. The book is #4 on Amazon right now!

[buycitgo]

51. can you imagine the explosion there'd have been.......

if Robert Rubin had been fired, or some other high level Clinton cabinet member, and they'd written a similar bombshell?

think back at all the LIEfests that were published, from the screeds by the bimbettes (Olson, Coulter, Graham) to Aldrich, to the late, VERY unlamented Bob Bartley.

think of the CONSTANT publicity such trash engendered.

THAT crap is the REAL reason Bush got selected in the first place.

they sowed the electoral soil with the salt of mendacity, poisoning the public consciousness against ANY candidate the dems would have nominated.

the fact that it was Gore just made it that much easier for them

look what they're doing to the dem candidates now, for christ's sake

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

46. A sure-fire indicator to watch for tomorrow...

...watch "Hannity & Colmes." If Hannity jumps on this with his standard "I cannot believe...at a time when our country is at war...our President could be accused of (fill in atrocity here)" rhetoric, that's a pretty good sign that it's business as usual at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

If he doesn't mention it at all, somebody's running scared.

That's Fox's pattern with "accurate data." Last week, when the "1000 jobs" report was released and it was the #1 subject on everybody's lips, Bill O'Reilly's main topics on "The O'Reilly Factor" were:

1) Gay Boy Scouts in San Diego
2). Laura Bush, and how she brings a much-needed touch of class to the White House
3). Pete Rose
4). Naomi Judd
...and the results of his latest poll, "should your humble correspondent respond when he is personally attacked?"

Trust me. Watch Hannity tomorrow and use him as a "temperature check."

[xxqqqzme]

48. Is O'Neill well?

He does not look 2 B a healthy man 2 me. So squatter nicknamed him 'big O' huh and O'Neill thinks this little endearment is meant 2 B degrading? Ya think? I cannot Blieve he thinks he will not B attacked 4 telling the truth or that his portrait of squatter is unflattering. This guy was a CEO? Nobody achieves that level of power w/ their naivete intact.

telling the truth, he won't B attacked - this is really bizarre considering this administration wouldn't know the truth if it screamed @ them. There have been so many lies told they don't even pretend 2 keep track of them anymore.

[economic justice]

57. He said that

With tongue firmly planted in cheek. He was being effectively sarcastic.

[Catfish]

49. Amazing

I haven't had a TV for 8 years, there didn't ever seem to be anything to watch. I recently got one because I wanted to follow the campaign coverage. I only get NBC and CBS and was thrilled to see 60 minutes tonight. I'd read most of what was said but it is more powerful to see it being said. The part about Rove repeating a mantra over and over to get Bush back in line was downright creepy but what I've suspected. The portrayal of Cheney really did seem to be that of someone without a soul. O'Neill did seem naive about the reaction he'll get, not sure what to think about that.

I was also impressed with the hundreds of interviews and documents the author used, this is much more than about O'Neill.

[buycitgo]

56. 4th and 26.......Eagles convert!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ignatius]

54. Boy, if Americans don't know that they have been had by our

WMD, 2 tax cuts for the rich lying son-of-a-bitch(literally) Resident after this, then they really don't care.

Bush our 2 tax cuts for the rich President..another bumper sticker.

OIL,WAR, and MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH and who cares about the dead?

Rove, Bush and Cheney lied and many died.

Actual transcripts from meetings that have Bush on record as saying do we need more tax cuts for the rich, we just did that and then going along with it.

Maps and meetings in January 01, about war in Iraq, nation building and oil production. What about the mushroom clouds and the imperativeness of going to war despite the UN asking for a little more time when they were planning this now documented from January 10,2001. The lies are coming home to roost.

Liars,thieves, murderers..I keep seeing the picture of the little Iraqi girl lying dead in the arms of her father wrapped in a purple shawl..the father crying to the heavens..YOU BASTARDS DID THIS IN OUR NAME..

[cthrumatrix]

60. we go to our senators tomorrow for impeachment calls.....

what else do we need...?