Lid Blown Off O'Neill/Suskind Hoax

[Lil Kim]

Hard to believe a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter could be this sloppy. Anyone seen how the book itself lays it out?

Laurie Mylroie sent out an email about Paul O'Neill's appearance on 60 Minutes last night; she notes what appears to be a major error in Ron Suskind's book, which casts doubt on the credibility of both Suskind and O'Neill. Here is the key portion of Mylroie's email:

"In his appearance this evening on '60 Minutes,' Ron Suskind, author of The Price of Loyalty, based to a large extent on information from former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill, made an astonishing, very serious misstatement.

"Suskind claimed he has documents showing that preparations for the Iraq war were well underway before 9-11. He cited--and even showed--what he said was a Pentagon document, entitled, 'Foreign Suitors for Iraq Oilfield Contracts.' He claimed the document was about planning for post-war Iraq oil (CBS's promotional story also contained that claim): http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/printable592330.shtml

"But that is not a Pentagon document. It's from the Vice-President's Office. It was part of the Energy Project that was the focus of Dick Cheney's attention before the 9/11 strikes.

"And the document has nothing to do with post-war Iraq. It was part of a study of global oil supplies. Judicial Watch obtained it in a law suit and posted it, along with related documents, on its website at: http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml Indeed, when this story first broke yesterday, the Drudge Report had the Judicial Watch document linked (no one at CBS News saw that, so they could correct the error, when the show aired?)"

Full article: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/005628.php

[rooboy]

1. ROFL... Laurie Mylroie - Pot, meet Kettle !!!!

n/t

[CatWoman]

32. Isn't that the creepy, scary, drunk looking woman

who was on Cspan a couple weeks ago?

Her claim to fame was that Clinton caused 9/11.

[DinahMoeHum]

43. Yep, and she's made a career out of blaming every

terrorist act in the US on Saddam Hussein.

Link:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0312.bergen.html

Read it and puke.

:puke:

[loudnclear]

55. To me, it's even more damning that this came from the VP office.

But you can be sure, there are Pentagon papers to match these.

[Must_B_Free]

2. haha!

I keep forgetting, which is it? O'neill is a liar and there were no war plans or the plans were Clintons?

You spinners better pick an excuse and stick with it.

[Skidmore]

3. As someone who has

worked in government in the past, it is not uncommon for a document to be produced which is incorporated into more than one report addressing the interests of different audiences. It will take much more than simply sqawking that said document was produced for another purpose so it can't have have relevance for O'Neill's charges.

I was born, but not just yesterday.

[papau]

4. Bush Sought ‘Way’ To Invade Iraq - and discusions were oil split

not freedom or terror - see today's Krugman

The blog article is a lie that has been posted on DU 4 times - at least

you think this could be the last posting

[w13rd0]

5. ah, be nice...

...some posters mistake DU for lucianna, and can't help but post this kind of claptrap. Just wait, tomorrow, rusty warheads from when Rummy was shaking Saddams hands will be dug up by industrious Iraqi youth WHO LOVE AMERICA AND GIVE US FLOWERS!

[cthrumatrix]

6. duplicate post --- mods delete please

[Gore1FL]

7. Of course PNAC had the goal years earlier

and most of his cabinet, and family for that matter, signed on to those goals.

Of course Bush also admitted he was for regime change in this article:

http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1597608&nav=7k6sBu3V

[Dogmudgeon]

8. I had that very same problem once

I mistook my ass for a hole in the ground, and spent the entire Summer wondering why I had flowers growing out of my butt.

--bkl

[Malva Zebrina]

9. so the smear begins lil Kim?

Is this the one that was shown on Sixty Minutes and stamped "Secret"?

Howcome it is secret?

HOwcome it is a document at all."Foreign Suiters for Oil Contracts"? WTF is that? What is Cheney doing doling out contracts for Iraq oil. We did not own Iraq then. It is not feasible that this was a study of global oil supplies for chrissake--read it and comprehend. Foreign Suiters for oil contracts

what of the other 18,999 factual documents provided by O-Neil? Let's just wait and see--Bush is lying already big time and there is nothing to distract us with. I half expect the big trump card being held by Rove will be a claim of an assassination attempt on the little boy Dauphine--watch for that big lie next.

[tom_paine]

47. Of course the smear begins

We are all familiar with the tactics used by the Busheviks. Smear and punish. Lie and lie again. When caught in a lie, answer with six lies.

That the smear has begun is boring, like saying Tortsky was bound to get an ice pick in the head.

Yawn. Of course he was. You just don't mess with Dictators and Emperors and other Totalitarian Scum.

I think these smears are just the beginning of the "Fair and Balanced" things we are going to see. In fcat, I think poor Paul O'Neill might get so upset as to commit suicide very thoughtfully with untraceable ratshot.

Yep, brace yourselves folk. The Bushevik smear machine is just getting started and you'd better believe that DU is a target.

[amber dog democrat]

10. This does not change anything

Nice try. They were still planning to go after the world's second largest oil reserves.
Why is this an error?

[blondeatlast]

11. Another hit and run post.

[Iverson]

12. Let's see if I understand you correctly ...

The document in question came from Dick Cheney's office, and therefore couldn't be related to making policy, whereas if it was a Pentagon document then it would be policy.

This error in identifying the originating office, deliberate or no, means that Paul O'Neill and Ron Suskind are engaging in a hoax.

Sorry, I still don't get it.

[are_we_united_yet]

13. Convincing

real convincing. So very, very convincing.

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Gman]

16. Don't be so disappointed

that's the best they can do.

(I'm still ROFL that they're blaming Clinton's penis for this too.)

[blondeatlast]

20. The link is all you need to see--directly to a wingnut site.

[tom_paine]

49. Totalitarians are seldom creative

They do follow orders better than Free People, though.

(not that I am making any statements about anyone on DU...just a statement of fact, of course)

[DiverDave]

15. Now you come right back here kim

Back up your statements.
Show us PROOF!, thats all we want, the TRUTH...ah well, I wont hold my breath.

[RandomKoolzip]

37. You think a freeper with a Bob Graham avatar is going to explain himself?

n/t

[Q]

17. We agree with you that Cheney broke the law...

...with his secret national energy policy meetings. The 'energy project' was indeed part of the overall plan to invade and occupy Iraq for the purpose of stealing their oil under the guise of a 'war' on terrorism.

- But everyone except a few remaining RWingers/Neocons know that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorism. Have you read the reports from the Army War College?

- I hope you're getting paid to spread this propaganda. Otherwise, you're getting ripped off.

[Tatiana]

40. BINGO!

Of course we know Cheney was instrumental, as chief PNAC architect, in planning and executing the war.

OSP, anyone?

Still doesn't mean Bush isn't culpable as well.

[tom_paine]

51. Serving Der Fuhrer is reward enough for Totalitarians

They loooooooove serving their leader. It is the "id replacement" you read about so much on psychological treatesises of the German People of the 1930s.

Again, I want to point out that I am not directing this comment towards an indiviudal, but merely pointing out a fact of life regarding the Totalitarian Mentality.

[liberalnurse]

18. Oh, try a little harder to rescue the guilty.

:think:

[Hubert Flottz]

19. The people who doubt O'Neill's book should look here!

Enter Saddam Hussein

<SNIP>

A little background is necessary: In June of 1997 a group of former republican administration officials launched The Project for the New American Century, a think tank offering research and analysis on a “revolution” in modern military methods and military objectives. Like the energy task force, the passionate neo-conservative authors endowed their Principles with hard-hitting force, calling for the necessity of “preserving and extending an international order friendly” to America’s “security, prosperity and principles.” The founders wrote: “The history of the 20th Century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge and to meet threats before they become dire.” In fact, on pages 51 and 67 of the institution’s intellectual centerpiece, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, the authors lament that the process of transforming the military would most likely be a long one, “absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.” (How unfortunate for Americans, they got their needed event on September 11, 2001.)

The signers to the “principles” read like a who’s who of the Bush administration plus a chorus line of supporters: Dick Cheney, I. Lewis Libby, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, plus world famous: William Bennett, Jeb Bush, and Dan Quayle, among others.

The signers endorsed two other dynamic enabling policies: increased military spending, and the necessity of challenging “regimes hostile to America’s interests and values.”

The seventy-six-page Rebuilding America’s Defenses was published in 2000. With a lot of expositional swagger, the authors created not only the ideal military preparedness level for their goal of global domination, but they identified a new kind of warfare that requires far less “force” than the military was accustomed to accept. What’s more, they identified the “hostile regimes” mentioned in the “Principles” to be none other than Iraq, North Korea, Iran and Syria.



http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWhiteHouse.htm

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. ahem......is this a drive-by thread?

[blondeatlast]

29. Yep. I'm only responding to the "drive-by" posts for a reson.

C'mon Du--wise up.

[0007]

22. Sounds to freepish for me to read!

Laurie Mylroie, give me a fucking break!

[agingdem]

23. Have you ever...

listened to Laurie Mylroie? She's neocon lunatic...she helped write the"let's attack Iraq" manifesto.

[RandomKoolzip]

24. "Drive by Shooting: Watch out for that pig!"

-Henry Rollins, 1987

[blondeatlast]

27. Yeppers--and people are still responding. Wise up, DUers.

Please.

[CatWoman]

33. I can't help responding

some of the posts on this thread are damn funny!! :D

[blondeatlast]

34. True enough.

I've been known to have my fun before the mods get to them.

Naw, I'd never do that, would I?

:evilgrin:

[agingdem]

25. What amazes me is...

how many of you actually believe the Rove crap attack. O'Neill said what he said and all the mea culpas don't change any of the facts. Do you think Suskind didn't check and recheck all the facts...this is a cracker jack reporter and he knows his ass is on the line.

[YNGW]

26. I've read this.

I had not seen it posted here before. Political novices, of which there are many, will immediately dismiss it. But it has teeth.

[RandomKoolzip]

35. Does the Devil REALLY need another advocate?

n/t

[Guaranteed]

28. So?

And, yes, I knew where that particular document came from already (we here at DU are INFORMED.)

Clearly, the administration was sticking it's nose into Iraq's oil business. Oh...and then they invaded. What a coincidence.

Oh, and why don't you try refuting the things that O'Neill actually said?

[snippy]

30. This post perfectly illustrates the massive ignorance and stupidity

of Bush and his supporters. Let us assume that the document is what the dishonest and dishonorable Bush supporters claim it to be. What would prevent the thieving cocksucker Cheney from providing copies to other criminals within the administration? Perhaps Cheney even intended to distribute the document when it was created. It may have been created to provide information to those on the distribution list, including some of the treasonous bastards at the Pentagon.

This post also perfectly illustrates the total lack of honor, honesty, and integrity of Bush and his supporters. It is so stupid and so dishonest that it may have been written by Bush himself.

[Cassandra]

31. Some of the other people who love that blog...

""You guys have a GREAT blog!"
--Michelle Malkin

"I never miss Power Line."
--Steve Hayward, author of "The Age of Reagan"

"The blog is excellent--I'll make it regular reading!"
--Rich Lowry, Editor of National Review "

Wow, I sure want to take my cues on what to think from these idiots. :eyes:

[monobrau]

36. Hi Lil Kim!

Watch out for your lid!

[styersc]

38. Mylroie has tried to make a career out of convincing people that

a broad, Islamic conspiracy exsists to wipe out the western world. The more ridiculous her accusations the more $ she makes. Common sense assessment of Bush's crimes in this matter could threaten her income.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

39. Laurie Mylroie=Neocon Whackjob

No credibility there...you should go post this where people will really BELIEVE your BS-like FR, Lucianne, etc.

People here a too smart to fall for a baseless argument...

[RaulGroom]

41. Arm yourself with the antidote to this fallacy

Check out my blog.

http://raulgroom.blogspot.com

[RaulGroom]

42. Hey Lil Kim!

Am I wrong here? How 'bout we have a little argument about this, what do you say? Hell-o?

[CatWoman]

45. Lil Kim must be somewhere

shining all her bling, bling.

[Oilwellian]

46. Loved your last paragraph

"So Mylroie has indeed exposed a "hoax," in fact two of them. The Treasury investigation into O'Neill's publication of "secret" documents is certainly a hoax, since the documents in question have been in the public domain for months. Bush's new claim that September 11th was the catalyst for actually implementing the plan for "regime change" in Iraq is closer to the legal definition of a hoax than that of a lie, because while it's clearly intended to mislead the gullible portions of the public, no reasonable person could be expected to believe it."

Welcome to DU RaulGroom. :hi:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

50. Where is L'il Kim? Another Drive-By Post

[Cooley Hurd]

60. She has been neutralized...

Buried with her bling bling, I hope...

[oldcoot]

44. Hi Lil Kim

This has already been posted. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1011144 and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=29716 for more information. For independent confirmation of O'Neill's claims, see http://www.sundayherald.com/27735. Note that this article, which appeared in the Sunday Herald in 2002, was written before O'Neill's interview. Mylroie's claims are fairly easy to refute.

[tom_paine]

53. Easily refuatble claims make no difference to propagandists

As Nazi Josef Goebbels, who would be very envious at the Bushevik Propaganda Organization, once said:

"Propaganda…must always be essentially simple and repetitious. In the long run, only he will achieve basic results in influencing public opinion who is able to reduce problems to the simplest terms and who has the courage to keep forever repeating them in this simplified form despite the objections of the intellectuals."
- Joseph Goebbels’ diary, 1/29/42

I am just stating the facts about propagandists in general.

The point is not whether Bushevik lies make sense. They do not have to, I think it's quite clear.

The point is to repeat the lie over and over again.

Ah, the mind of the Totalitarian Propasgandist...not quite a mystery, is it?

[LeahMira]

48. Thank you...

... for posting this, but I already read it over on the Freeper board... along with all the Freeper comments that followed.

[West Coast Democrat]

52. So it's all a hoax? Bush* only pretends to be disengaged

wow! he's a great actor!

[CatWoman]

54. no he's not, so stop saying that!!

[loudnclear]

56. Don't let the neocon media define this issue. It is not a "hoax."

It is the truth. And the plans to invade Iraq exited in many forms and in many forums influenced by PNAC-neocons. Clinton had the documents that were given to him, Rummy has documents, and the most damning point of this so-called "expose" is that the policy was so embedded, it shows up in our energy policy.

Don't let the media trash this issue...it's HUGE!!!

[tom_paine]

58. EXACTLY, loudnclear

Lying Bushevik propagandists (if they ae out there naturally, I accuse no one) will be spreading this Lying Lie on lefty websites throughout the Interent today.

I'm sure LilKim's post is just an innocent coincidence. Absolutely sure.

[kentuck]

57. If I remember correctly...Lil Kim was a male....

and was a visitor during the early days of DU. I remember the name.

[Stephanie]

59. Why is this thread on the front page of GD? They are chuckling at FR.

"5. If you post an article or other published content which is from a conservative source or which expresses a traditionally conservative viewpoint, you must state your opinion about the piece and/or the issues it raises."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/005628.php

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--Michelle Malkin

"I never miss Power Line."
--Steve Hayward, author of "The Age of Reagan"

"The blog is excellent--I'll make it regular reading!"
--Rich Lowry, Editor of National Review

[Moderator]

61. Locking

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