My talk show host says we're un American...Help!

[Cannikin]

I emailed the 'Four more years would spell disaster' article from the main page...I got this reply:

Well you know my stance. Sorry this guy doesn't understand that we are and have been at war for quite a few years. This is a war we must wage and win. I believe in America, this guy doesn't. Dave

Dave Elswick
Asst. PD/Mid-Day Host
NewsRadio 920
KARN
Little Rock, AR 72211
O-[phone]
(cell # removed)
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I'm in the process of writing a reply about how VERY American it is to stand up for something like this.....but I could use some help.

[xray s]

1. Here comes the army to the rescue!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/01/12/national2022EST0762.DTL

Army War College article says invasion of Iraq was 'strategic error'

BOB JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer Monday, January 12, 2004

A report published by the Army War College calls the Bush administration's war on terrorism unfocused and says the invasion of Iraq was "a strategic error."

The research paper by Jeffrey Record, a professor at the Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, said the president's strategy "promises much more than it can deliver" and threatens to spread U.S. military resources too thin. Record also wrote that Saddam Hussein's Iraq did not present a threat to the United States and was a distraction from the war on terrorism.

Bush has destroyed our standing in the international community, destroyed the volunteer army, and has buried us in a deep, deep swamp in the mid east.

Everyone knows he f*cked up.

[arcane1]

5. hey, those troops don't support the troops!

:silly::crazy:

[xray s]

10. Yep...even the army in unamerican now, according to the repubs

That's why I have great hopes for November. Bush is making too many enemies.

[lovedems]

2. What a dipshit, believing in america in not simply believing in war

and I guess he forgot that battle front we are engaged in is a self inflicted war.

[BOSSHOG]

3. Has your talk show host "served?"

I spent 24 years serving. Its important to me when some moron rambles on about the importance of killing and maiming to secure whatever some moron wants to secure. Points of view and experience are important when discussing how other human beings lives are handled. Why "must" we win? Because he is an ignorant, dumbass, limbaugh wannabe piece of shit? Is that why we "must" win? Please forward my warmest Veteran regards.

[BOSSHOG]

6. He doesn't believe in America

He believes in his ignorant, dumbass audience who will ensure him a paycheck. Insist he strap on the cammies and volunteer for duty in Iraq NOW! This country needs a good purging of ignorant bastards on AM radio who yahoo about the red, white and blue and have no concept, zero concept, about the cost of freedom.

[rumguy]

4. Ask him if he thinks Willie Nelson is unpatriotic...

and even Toby Keith has said that the Iraq war was probably a mistake

[liberalhistorian]

7. Well, I believe in America, too.

I believe in an America that doesn't start pre-emptive wars based on false, misleading, and bogus information that its leaders KNOW is false, misleading and bogus, and who have been looking for a way to start such a war from the beginning of their time in power.

I believe in an America that doesn't treat its citizens, particularly minorities, like they were criminals and doesn't expect them to spy on each other.

I believe in an America that doesn't use fascist, police state tactics and measures against its citizens, and that doesn't strip away basic civil rights and freedoms in order to "keep us free and protect our freedoms."

I believe in an America whose leaders don't use the tragedy of a foreign attack to whip up constant fear and uncertainty, and to keep its citizens in a state of constant fear and uncertainty in order to maintain their grip on power and get away with anything they want.

I believe in an America that doesn't enrich its wealthy elite few at the expense of the hard-working majority, and then call such enrichment a "boost for economic growth and prosperity."

I believe in an America that doesn't lose over three million jobs within two years, and that doesn't bleed thousands more each month, and call it a "jobless recovery", whatever the hell that's supposed to mean, anyway.

I believe in an America that doesn't trash and destroy its environment to enrich a wealthy elite few corpocrats at the expense of the health and safety of the vast majority of its citizens.

And I believe in an America that understands and honors its history of allowing freedom of dissent, that recognizes that it owes its very founding to people who had the courage to dissent and disagree with their government, that recognizes that such a freedom is one of the very things that sets us apart from most nations and that must be preserved at all costs, and that especially recognizes and understands the hypocrisy involved in trumpeting this freedom on the one hand, and castigating those who use such freedom to dissent and/or disagree as being against it.

There, tell him to stick THAT in his pipe and smoke it!!!!!

[Sinistrous]

11. Superb! Eloquent!

Do you mind if I use it? (With attribution, of course.)

[liberalhistorian]

13. No, I don't mind at all,

go ahead! Maybe it'll wake some people up.

[salin]

8. ask him at what cost?

Play up the 9-11 Al Qeada/taliban/Afghanistan angle...

In order to pursue iraq... The admin pulled intelligence (that was pursuing al queada)... to focus on gathering 'evidence' against Iraq. (pulled around March 2002)

In order to pursue iraq... The admin prematurely pulled troops out of Afghanistan... and rejected a plea by UN allies in Afghanistan to begin peacekeeping type activities throughout the country to prevent chaos from setting in, the warlords from taking over and creating the conditions which would allow the taliban to reemerge. The US instead primarily focused on the capital, and a few small efforts to continue seeking/pursuing al qeada. (pulled spring-fall of 2002)

Results:

Initial reports (international) were that the alqeada networks were in great disarray, many had been or were being captured...

But since Summer of 2002 there have been press reports (international) that Al Qeada was regrouping and gaining strengths in the outer territories of ... Afghanistan.

In that same time there were and continue to be reports that Osama Bin Laden and his number two guy Al Zawari (sp?) continued to be located in the border lands between Afghanistan and Pakistan (eg moving between the two areas.)

Since this past summer (2003) there have been increasing number of reports of the reemergence of the taliban if Afghanistan... increased attacks in various regions, and concerns that they may again be gaining support.

SO - to go to Iraq we underfunded, and undercut our intelligence and military efforts to go after those directly related to 9-11, for a country that the administration now admits having NO evidence to tie Iraq to 9-11 or al qeada, and a country that - based on MANY reports - did not have, as was claims, weapons of mass destruction that threatened and thus posed no threat to the United States.

In short, if there were to be another al qeada attack on US soil - it was made more likely by the diversion of resources to fight and disrupt (and end the effectiveness) Al qeada... BECAUSE we decided we wanted to go to war with Iraq.

[Tempest]

9. Ask him if Teddy Roosevelt was un-American

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Teddy Roosevelt

[Solly Mack]

12. If he's the measure of being American, then I am Un-American

I have no problem with that. If Bush is what it means to be American...then I'm unAmerican. If Bush supporters are the yardstick by which being American is measured...then I'm Un-American

I'm also anti-fascists....

Fuck'em. Why allow them to define anything?

[Cannikin]

15. This was my sister's reply...its great.

I'm glad you and I agree on Bush and his regime.
I read an article that likened Bush and today's America to that of Hitler
and
the Third Reich. We're not that much different. In Germany, anyone who
didn't "Heil Hitler", was considered unpatriotic and a threat to the peace
and
prosperity of Germany. If you thumb your nose at the Home Surveillance by
considering it an act against our privacy, then you're accused of not caring
what
evils are being carried out against our nation. The very fact that saying
this
can cause me to be suspect of treason and terrorism is proof that our right
to
privacy and our freedom of speech have been either taken away or was never
there to begin with. Forget the fact that we love our country and will
defend
it against any foreign power - because of our views, we are branded as being
unpatriotic.

"Heil Bush"

[Solly Mack]

18. That is great!

thanks for sharing! :hi:

[oldcoot]

14. What war is he talking about?

If he is talking about the war in Iraq, you could talk about how American troops are spread too thin. This site that might prove useful: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0109/dailyUpdate.html?s=mets .

[Cannikin]

16. "THE" war..of course....its all the same to them, it seems.

[Cannikin]

17. He'll blame that on Democrats cutting the military...

[worldgonekrazy]

19. I've got an idea: Don't f---ing listen!

It is a fool's mission to try and talk some sense into these right wing nutjobs. Instead just tune them out. If everyone else did the same they would no longer have a forum to spew their hate.

[Cannikin]

20. Oh but they would...

You forget about the millions that hang on their every word...well hundreds in this case...

And I have gotten him to tone down his anti-gay BS. I was beginning to think he was open minded. Then I sent him PNAC links and got no reply. I sent the Army College story about the Iraq war being premature...he said there was more to it than meets the eye....then I sent him what I mentioned originaly and here we are...I've hit a brick wall with him...

[sendero]

21. Ignorance can be cured....

... but stupidity is forever.

[cthrumatrix]

22. God spoke to me and shared that he is really disappointed in his

hate speech and for him to read the bible a little more...a prayer might be good as well.