I am sick of "Woe is Me" Democrats

[Must_B_Free]

Is this really just some Freeper tactic to sow FUD? Fear Uncertainty and Doubt?

This is a tactic Microsoft and Intel use against their competitors. They emphasize fear uncertainty and doubt to keep potential customers from selecting the competitors product.

Are the people on DU who post stull like "I amraid Rove had won" and We're going to lose" and the like - are they even real DUers or are they just paid shills un "deep cover"?

[tom_paine]

1. Well, speaking as someone who is into the speculative nature of the future

It doesn't look good. That is my objective conclusion after reading history and seeing just how far the Busheviks were allowed to progress in building their Mighty Wurlitzer which I like to call Goebbels v2.0.

No, I don't work for Uncle Karl.

Having said both those things, let me reiterate that while there is still even a glimmer of hope or chance of restoring the Old Republic, then I SHALL NEVER GIVE UP! Even if all hope is lost, I shall continue to fight! They'll have to Gulag or kill me to stop me.

I understand your frustration, and I suppose I agree that unrequited "woe is me-ism" can be a drag. I think of it just a bit differently. I am of the mind that the very paradigm that we all grew up under, the paradigm of the Old American Republic has shifted severely since the Bloodless Coup of 2000 towards the paradigm that more closely resembles Imperial Rome or the Soviet Union (same tyranny, different rationale -- it's amazing how often this is true for differing ideologies).

Sometimes, what is interpreted by others as "woe-is-me-ism" is merely peoiple trying to forcefully drive home that "This ain't your Dad's America anymore."

This may be true, or merely hysteria and shared delusion...only yime will tell.

But that's just my 2 cents on the matter.

[Superfly]

7. The future hasn't looked good for the past 2 million years

when hominids started taking control of things here on earth.

Sheesh...gloom and doom run rampant here on DU.

[tom_paine]

10. Ah, but every so often the "doom and gloomers" are right

Examples:

1978 Cambodia
1949 China
1936 Germany
1922 Russia
1790 Poland
16th Century Europe & the Witch Trials/Inquisitions
45 BC Roman Republic

are just a few. It still remains to be seen whether

2001 America

will join the rest, but it cannot be denied that "doom and gloomers" have been right about the short-term hoplessness of certain sitautions as they realted to Liberty and the well-being of regular people.

And if things seem so "doom and gloomy" perhaps it's because so many of us so recently awakened to the fact that we live under a propaganda system second to none in human history, one which Hitler and Stalin must both envy from Hell.

The fact that pretty much one day we fell asleep in our beds, utterly convinced that "it could never happen here" and the next woke up to an eroding system of checks and balances with all the force of a wet noodle that not only couldn't, in their weakness, stop "it from happening here" but the growing realization that it could very well be happening here RIGHT NOW.

It's not every day you come to the startling realization that so much of what you believed wasn't true. The effect, as I'm sure you know, is shattering.

Shattered people get angry and despondent. That is the nature of things.

[Kanary]

11. *VERY* well written!

When the day comes that we can't listen to and care about those who are looking at the larger picture, then we have truly lost our humanity.

Thanks for your words.

Kanary

[Must_B_Free]

12. Just keep you chin up

"woe is me" is a prayer to defeat.

Negative thinking is self defeat.

[tom_paine]

13. Your are right, sir. Words like yours need to be said and heard

We need all types of people if we are ever to restore the Old Republic to health and vigor.

Doom and gloomers. Hard Charges. Optimists. Pessimists. Liberty-Lovers of all stripes must come together as the Founding fathers did more than 230 years ago.

Rest assured that your message is taken and in the end agreed with.

We must never give up! We must never lose that spark of hope!

At the end of the day I hope that all of us, even people with "doom and gloom" tendencies like myself, see that truth for what it is.

It's the Bottom of the 8th. And hell, we never even realized what game we were playing until very recently. What game the other side has been playing unopposed for more than a decade.

[Ksec]

2. so why write about it? nt

[Must_B_Free]

6. Because I want to point that probably not all of it is genuine

we know that the Freepers are people who feel empowered by playing paramilitary games in the form of organized psychological operations.

They have instructions and follow them. This would definitely be one form of their attack on DU. But it's hard to distinguish from geniune democrat frustration.

[tom_paine]

9. That's Democrat-IC frustration

Using "Democrat" instead of "Democratic", exactly in the same family of slurs as calling someone a "Jew Lawyer" instead of a "Jewish Lawyer", happens to also be a hallmark of the Bushevik Propaganda Squad.

I am not accusing you of anything, just pointing out that anyone can unwittingly carry water for the Bushevik Talking Points.

Sadly, if people feel that everything is already lost (as opposed to me, who believes there's a 90% chance everything is lost, but I'll fight like hell to make that 10% longshot come true), they have every right to express that.

Further, I do agree that it is a given that there are more than a few Bushevik infiltrators on this site at any given time. But not everyone who expresses despondency is one of them.

[SheilaT]

3. I think there are different

people posting such stuff for different reasons. Some really believe all is lost. Some times I myself am one of those and say so. Some are trying to scare off the supporters of other candidates, which is a lot of the motivation for all the various candidate bashing threads and all the posts that say ONLY candidate X can win the election or Candidate Y cannot possibly win in November.

I keep on reminding everyone that the enemy is not the other candidates, but George W Bush and all who surround him.

[Terwilliger]

4. pragmatists

[Ernesto]

5. saRcasm smaRcasm

I am pretty burned out on the negativity around here also.

[Kanary]

8. Some of us have reason to fear

While I understand your statement about fear tactics, I would ask you to understand that some of us are in some very fearful situations indeed.

For example, I am facing possible cuts to my housing in July. There will be over 130,000 HUD units cut. That's a whole lot of people out of luck. If I'm one of them, that will be the end of me. You don't live on the street when you are physically ill.

What makes it worse is that I don't find a whole lot of support for this situation. That alone makes me quite down.

So, it's in the eye of the beholder. If you were in my shoes, I imagine life wouldn't seem so rosy, either. Doesn't look like any of the Dems are going to take issue with these cuts, and doesn't seem to be much support here. That doesn't make me wake up in the morning with vim and vigor.

Kanar

[poskonig]

14. Most of the fighters

are busy in the GD2004 and PC forums.

Though the GD is sometimes pessimistic, the common weird conspiracy theories have me confused. I wonder if freepers ever come in here posting off-the-wall stuff just to see how many people respond to it.

[sangha]

15. "Woe is Me Democrats"???

Is that another term for people who sometimes have doubts, a group otherwise known as "human beings"?

[Must_B_Free]

18. No, specifically

they are people who go out and tell others the cause is already lost.

Is there a constructive purpose to this?

[are_we_united_yet]

16. Actually I agree

Fear and doubt fuel further fear and doubt. I'm not saying one should be unrealistic about their chances of victory, rather pessimism, even legitimate pessimism, doesn't serve an overly useful purpose on this forum (in my opinion) and can undermine our (at least most of us)common goal of ridding ourselves of the W administration. Remember: there is a finite population who read these forums who may not have made up their minds about upcoming elections. Why instill a sense of inevitability that doesn't favor your outcome? Especially if you are not sure? Doesn't make sense to me but that is my opinion.

[bobd]

17. I Guess I'm a "Woe Is Me" Democrat

I'm convinced that Bushler will indeed win in 2004. Should I just "shut up" about it? Am I not allowed to express an opinion contrary to the delicate sensibilities of the DU optimists? Please tell me why I shouldn't have such an opinion, why it shouldn't be expressed, and why I'm a bad person for holding such an "illegal" opinion. Am I less a Democrat than the optimists?

I really want to know.

Bob D.

[Must_B_Free]

19. Because I want to win and you're a detractor from that cause

If you try to convince Democrats that they don't have a chance you are building a self fulfilling failure.

Do you walk around and tell every ugly girl you meet, "Woman, you are hideous!"? Why not? Aren't you allowed to hold an opinion? :eyes: Same thing as that...

[bobd]

20. Hell Man, I want Bush to Lose Too!

I want it more than anything. I just don't thing that things are bad enough to shake the sheeple from their torpor. It will take something BIG to do it - another big terrorist attack, an economic meltdown, large scale rioting - something big.

I think we need to be prepared for the worst possible outcome in 2004 - a Bush victory. That doesn't mean we stop working to win. What else can we do?

If everyone thought the earth was flat it would STILL be round.

[are_we_united_yet]

21. Start by reading the above post

If you still feel that way, oh well.