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brainwashed_youth Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:41 PM
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What does everybody really think of Michael Moore?
Alright, I'm curious, what does everybody on this website think of Michael Moore? I'm just curious.


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brainwashed_youth Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:42 PM
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1. UM...
Ok, somehow I posted the same topic twice....oh well
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:44 PM
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2. Mixed feelings
I respect him, in many ways, like Nader- they've done a great job raising awareness that corporate America is morally corrupt. However, I have a big problem with his snobby attitude and his statements in 2000 that Gore wasn't different from Bush. Say what you want about how the Democrats aren't left enough, I can deal with that. But to equate the great evil that is GWBush with Al Gore- that enraged me. I haven't forgiven him yet.
So in conclusion, I have a love hate mindset with Moore. He does great things, but he does stupid things, IMO.
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:50 PM
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8. And then he endorses Clark, a supporter of Bush's father...
I hope that comes back to bite him in the ass. :-P
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:51 PM
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10. See that's one of the thing that gets me
Yeah that endorsement makes no sense to me either- why isn't he backing Kerry, a lifelong hardcore liberal? Moore just doesn't make much sense to me sometimes :shrug:
Personally I think Al Franken is more funny and makes more sense...but that's just me
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:54 PM
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11. I know where Sharpton gets his sense of humour from...
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:56 PM by Bush loves Jiang
A former New York Senator also named Al. Sharpton was a big supporter of Looney Tunes. :puke:

Kerry's not big on democracy either: "The United States has always had a `one China' policy, not withstanding how terrible we may understand their regime to be. And that has been a Republican president, Democrat president policy alike. I think it is the right policy."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/01/08/2003086763

Lieberman scores some rare points here.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:44 PM
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3. middle aged,
scruffy,
wears a baseball hat,
from a small depressed town in America

seems like more of a regular guy to me that Bush does...

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:45 PM
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4. I think that sometimes he's really brilliant and speaks for working
class Americans. On the other hand, he doesn't seem to have his political beliefs jelled yet.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:45 PM
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5. One of the few who has earned my respect in this sorry era
Why do you ask?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 PM
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6. What do I really think of him???
I don't understand the question. Am I supposed to say I love him because I am liberal and he is liberal, but really secretly hate him???

Anyway, I think the guy is creative and funny. I liked "Canadian Bacon", I liked "Bowling for Columbine", I am looking forward to "Farenheit 911" if it actually gets released.
I think he is a bit extreme at times, and sometimes he seems to be reaching too much. But, oh well. His books are entertaining and if nothing else they get important information out there.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:50 PM
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9. Ok, I understand now
Sorry to take a condescending tone. I saw two threads by you, one called "What does everybody think of Michael Moore?" and the other called "What does everybody REALLY think of Michael Moore?"

It just looked odd.

Now I see that you just posted twice by accident.

:hi:
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i_am_not_john_galt Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:48 PM
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7. I felt betrayed
When I first watched Bowling for Columbine I was blown away by the cold-heartedness of Charlton Heston. Later I read the description of how MM edited various speeches to make them seem like one speech and feel he went way outside the bounds of responsible documentary film-making and mis-represented the facts, resulting in a very unfair portrayal of CH.

The basic message of the film was great - he's right on the money about the manufacturing of fear as entertainment, but finding out he himself twisted facts to try to make his point really sucked.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:20 PM
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17. That's "documentary" for ya!
he went way outside the bounds of responsible documentary film-making and mis-represented the facts

Any documentary film maker selects what he will use from literally piles of film. You would be mistaken if you believed that "documentary" somehow means that the work presents both... or all... sides of the story without any bias at all.

I'm sorry if you didn't pick up on the fact that the parts with Heston were from different speeches. I noticed right away that his tie was different at one point. But then that's me. I'm an artist.

So did Michael Moore distort Heston's views on guns at all? I don't think so.

Actually, I'd challenge you to cite any documentary that doesn't have a bias. Even the Nature Channel has a bias! If you bring your critical, thinking brain to a documentary film, you can pick it out. I always think of a documentary as something that's supposed to start you thinking... not stop you.
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arko Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:01 PM
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12. I liked him better before
he got a political agenda and got all preachy. He did some great work. I liked the little series he did, where he would go to corporations and stand out front of the main office with a bull horn and challege the exec's to do something. Like show us how to put the tooth paste back in the tube. He even got a Ford executive to come out and change the oil in his car.

He drove around the country with a semi full of communist literature painted up like the soviet flag. I loved it and it was all done in a good natured way.

But, when you resort to cheap tricks that are basically lies to make your point it just looks like you don't have a point. I'm not sure who's side he's on. I think he has crossed the line and needs to go back and look at some of his own good work, if he can tell the difference any more.
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:01 PM
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13. I've thought he was funny used to get his newsletter
or whatever it was. I loved bowling for columbine but with his new endorsement for clark I am now a bit baffled and confused. How could someone like Michael Moore endorse someone who's involved with the school of americas and who's endorsing and even helping get the airport screening down for each person? I am totally blown away.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:42 PM
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19. Clark defended Moore after the Oscars
...and Moores hasn't forgotten it. By the way, Moore's MOTHER heartily endorses Howard Dean...she appears on his plane during the sleepless summer tour
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:02 PM
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14. I like him, but I don't always agree with him ...
he has some good points ...
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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:02 PM
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15. I truly love the guy...he makes a decision who he's going to support
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 11:11 PM by BackDoorMan
and completely supports that person. Have you always been right about everything? He does what's in his heart, And he is a progressive liberal (as am I)...no one can take that away from him...

He sure as fuck has done more good than most and he's out there taking the shit...are you?

Whinny asses want to find any excuse to agree with the republican owned corporate media and freepers...divide and conquer! They try and find the smallest of things to jump on MM about.

The man does good and tries very hard to point out the Bush bullshit and he'll never stop, even as the pigs on the right try and silence him and not give him air time...and then laugh at him when he's not allowed to stand up for himself.

I support Kucinich in every way possible and I respect and support Michael Moore's choice in Wesley Clark as well...he has, as we all should, the same goal...

TO GET RID OF THE FASCIST SWINE, BUSH/ROVE/CHENEY & COMPANY

http://michaelmoore.com/



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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:26 PM
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18. I do also.
I support Kucinich in every way possible and I respect and support Michael Moore's choice in Wesley Clark as well...he has, as we all should, the same goal...

I'll be interested to see if Michael Moore has any comments about why he made the choice he did. I'm surprised, but will check his website from time to time to see what he has to say. I sincerely doubt if he will pout should Clark not get the nomination and I think that he will do what he believes is best to get rid of the disgusting pig who's living in the White House now.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:18 PM
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16. He's a force for progressive debate in this country
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:45 PM
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20. Smart and sexy
hehe no hes not really sexy but he rocks IMO. He is the one man who is fighting the corporatization of America.
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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:50 PM
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21. "Smart" and cute, maybe... http://michaelmoore.com/
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