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brainwashed_youth Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:42 PM
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What does everybody think of Michael Moore
Ok, I'm curious, what does everybody here think of Michael moore?
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:45 PM
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1. I like and respect him.
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 PM by liberalmuse
I think he is genuinely doing the best he can to try and help make the world a better place. He's certainly doing more than I am to further the progressive cause (liberal way???).
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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:45 PM
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2. Today, he's putting his country ahead of his politics
Moore's political views are to the left of Clark, but he knows Clark is the best chance we've got. It's a hard pill to swallow. I hope others follow his lead.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:22 AM
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46. I agree.
He's realized the importance of compromise and "meeting half-way" since the 2000 theft.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 PM
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3. He speaks the truth. I like him! nt
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 PM
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4. I think he has his head up his butt
regarding Clark.

Clark was a Military lobbyist for the same people that got Saudi Funding for Bush (Stephens) and the same folks who were spying on US (Jet Blue/Axciom).

I love Michael Moore and I just emailed him and told him this.

But he is too damn busy to do a little research before endorsing Clark?

Unbelievably arrogant AND STUPID AND HYPOCRITICAL.
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Granite Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:03 PM
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21. Yup
I agree - this was most disappointing. I thought Moore had more integrity in his convictions than that - to make a choice solely based on an (erroneous) assumption that Clark stands the best chance to win? I'll repeat - that was disappointing.

I do like his work, especially on Roger and Me and Bowling for Columbine, plus Stupid White Men, FWIW.

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3rdParty Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:05 AM
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40. he has become a hypocritical millionaire
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:08 PM
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57. He's a very gifted and hardworking writer!
I am in awe of his abilities.
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Clark4VotingRights Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 PM
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5. Well, I went to see him when he came to town recently
And was in an audience of thousands, and it was sold out long in advance. And I'm reading his earlier book (just finished Dude...).

I think he's *the* premier working class hero.
The real deal. A big hearted and brilliant man.

He was elevated to hero status by his oscar speech.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 PM
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6. Limbaugh of the Left.
Self-promoting jackass.
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:58 PM
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14. Totally agree n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:35 PM
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27. Agree, but heck, we NEED a Limbaugh for the Left. We need at least
several DOZEN of them.

Overall, I like Michael Moore. What you see is what you get. Just a regular, frumpy guy with opinions he's not afraid to express, and with which I agree, most of the time. I got to interview him once. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Unfortunately, it wasn't as fun as it could have been because it occurred WAY before any of this.

I do NOT appreciate that he was one of the Ralph Nader enablers. But seems to me he's done enough to redeem himself since then. He certainly sees and speaks the truth about bushco. And that's to be loudly and enthusiastically applauded under ANY circumstances.
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...Alltogethernow Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:42 PM
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29. Not overly fond of him
He seems to lack the respectful image and class act that I would rather represent my beliefs
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:57 AM
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36. Just curious...........
who does embody the respectful image and class you are looking for when selecting someone to represent your beliefs?

I've never heard it put that way so I'm just innocently wondering.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:53 PM
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62. never mind
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 05:57 PM by buycitgo
missed the above post, which expressed almost word for word my reaction

I see it got no response

why am I not surprised?

love those packaging freaks......
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:21 AM
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51. yup, we need several dozen of them
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 11:26 AM by dymaxia
--not one guy who tries to present one image.

I'm glad he's out there, but he's starting to use his 'authority' as someone of working-class origins to intimidate people. 'Working-class people won't do this', 'working-class people won't to that.' I've always been an ardent defender of MM but he's crossing the line into demagoguery of late.

It's BS. You can't generalize about 'working-class people' and what they will and won't believe.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:48 PM
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7. i like him
sometimes he takes a point beyond common sense tho.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:48 PM
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8. Michael Moore is a smart guy
He knows how to think. He doesn't always come to the right conclusion, but he is a reasoned thinker.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:52 PM
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11. I didn't agree with his Nader Endorsement
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:53 PM by BeatleBoot
I think he's trying to make up for his mistake by backing Clark.

The repukes were out in fill force tonight bashing Clark.

Gillespie, Gaffney, Noonan, Hannity...

On edit: I meant to respond to the original poster, sorry!
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Traje Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:49 PM
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9. I love him!
I don't agree with absolutely everything he has to say, but he never fails to make you think and challange your previous ideas. For example, prior to reading 'Stupid White Men...', I honestly thought Clinton was for social freedom and against corporate greed... I also had no idea just how evil Bush is. He makes you realise that things arn't as simple as they may seem.

Although Moore is not the most admirable liberal I have met or heard of, he has made use of the media to get the point across. In a world where the media is often controlled by gian corporations, his contribution is invaluable.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:50 PM
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10. Love him. Can't wait for Farenheit 9/11 and kudos to Clark
he is a top notch endorsement.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:57 PM
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13. I like him
and I agree with an earlier post. I believe he is putting his country ahead of his personal beliefs. I think he is truly ABB. I'm glad that he endorsed Clark.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:55 PM
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12. I am longtime fan of Mr. Moore
I went to go see him speak last year at the University of North Texas; he was wonderful.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:56 PM
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32. Hey, Skittles...
I saw him at UNT too! I also saw AND met him the following day at OU. He has an immeasurably important voice..
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:59 PM
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15. The Left's Ann Coulter.
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 11:02 PM by ermoore
Sensationalistic and loud without a whole lot of facts backing him up. Maybe he's not as terrible as Ann Coulter, but that's not saying a lot. I mean, maybe the best thing you can say about him is that he's not a Pat Buchanan repube.
"Working Class Hero," my ass. Dude, is rich. I mean, he's funny, I'll give him that, but he's just using that and a lefty platform to make himself lots of money by criticizing other rich people.

And he's fat.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:16 PM
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24. "and he is fat" ?????
Gee. does that mean you think Coulter has more pull because she is not?

I understand your other objections to him, although I do not necessarily agree. I like most of his work, but haven't made a definite decision on his motives. Sometimes it is not bad to do good things for bad reasons. Time is the true teller of motivation and the clock is still ticking. I hope he withstands the test of time.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:27 AM
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42. Coulter is not just sensationalist, she lies outright. Moore speaks truth.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:23 AM
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53. 'he's rich'
It's not about how much money he has now - it's about where his roots are.

Amazing how some people don't get that.
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brainwashed_youth Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:00 PM
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16. as far as what I think of him
He's my hero. Bowling for Columbine was a huge jumpstart for my political activism. Because of that movie, i was able to admit to my buddies that I had never fired a gun in my life and feel embarassed because of it. He has also turned me on to some great organizations. I'm joining Amnesty International tonight, he's made me respect the ACLU(although their defense of NAMBLA, while understandable, still sounds horrible).
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:01 PM
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17. He makes me laugh. I usually agree with him, I think..but not always
.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:01 PM
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18. I believe he's the real deal.
I admire him a lot.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:03 PM
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19. working class hero.
straight up.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:03 PM
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20. I like him.
The pragmatism of his recent stance has surprised me --- always thought he was some head-in-the-clouds type, well meaning but out of touch with Joe SixPack. Now I think a little differently.
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DicklessCheney Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:06 PM
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22. Decent muckraking humorist. Roger and Me was devastating.
...though he should not be mistaken as a "serious" analyst/author or anything of the sort. He is known to stretch the truth and take liberties with chronology.

In short, he is a good guy who makes entertaining, educational, and occasionally-insightful films.

Roger and Me is absolutely essential viewing.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:06 PM
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23. I think Michael Moore is A OK
And will be an asset to bring junior to his knees. Anyone who thinks other wise is not with the program. Moore will back Dean when the time comes.
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xcentrik Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:27 PM
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25. Gifted filmmaker, usually agree with him BUT...
Doesn't fact-check well enough, gets too full of himself and distorts the facts that are there, and sometimes, his smugness makes him highly annoying.

Sure liked the time he pulled all those cars up outside the car alarm manufacturer's house and set off all of the alarms at once, though.
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:54 PM
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31. Furthermore
Exactly, some of his stunts are amusing and he's funny and can raise a good point, but like the dude (xcentrik) said, he's too self-righteous, his facts are often wrong or exaggerated, and while his movies are amusing the fact that they're presented as documentaries is dishonest. It's just the kind of shit that if a repug did it we'd be screaming our heads off. Oh well, at least he doesn't defend McCarthyism.
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SeanQuinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:29 PM
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26. He's a good guy and a good author :-)
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:38 PM
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28. Hm. I read the whole thread so far and he seems a lot like Bush.
Everyone either loves him or hates him, it seems! I think he's about a
7.5 on a 1-10 scale. I just haven't figured out what the scale is.
:eyes:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:44 PM
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30. I like him, but he's no Ben Hamper
read "Rivethead"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:01 AM
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33. Don't miss Charlie Rose tonight!
Moore is great. Just ended on the East Coast.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:30 AM
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34. Supporting The Troops: YEAH!
I loved Roger And Me, that was my fave MM movie.

He does what he thinks is right. Endorsing Clark is classic Moore!!

There are a LOT of service men and women overseas requesting his books; and I emailed him to that effect and he immediately made free copies of everything available to US military addresses for free...I LOVE HIM!
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F-5 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:33 AM
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35. I like Michael Moore, I generally agree with him...
but I don't agree with him on his endorsement of Wes Clark.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:21 AM
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37. Like him on the whole, but....
Moore plays fast and loose with facts and chronology, such as in "Bowling" and this hurts his overall credibility. I believe Mooore's sincere in his actions and I loved both "Roger & Me" and "The Big One", but I honestly don't understand his self-contradictory assertions in "Bowling".
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:25 AM
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38. He is a good and decent man who...
who is true to the Christian values instilled in him in childhood.

Haven't you heard him say something about how important it is how a society treats the least powerful among us?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 07:03 AM
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39. "He is a conspiracy theorist"
He asks questions few else dare to ask (e.g. regarding 9/11).

His books are not scientifically rigorous, but he mentions many important points. He is popular enough to bring important questions to the mind of many people.

That might be the reason that German newspapers call him a "conspiracy theorist".
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:14 AM
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41. I like him, I think he takes a stand for the poor and disenfranchised.
"Roger & Me" and "Bowling for Columbine" are great movies, I've read a couple of his books and enjoyed them. As a Michiganian, both movies hit home. The first, showing the decline of Flint, once the third largest city in the state, and just an example of what happened state wide in the 80s, as the bottom fell out of the automobile industry.
"Bowling for Columbine" was amazing, too. There were parts of it that were absolutely hilarious, like the bank giving guns away and the cartoon. Then there were parts that were really hard to watch, like the video of the Columbine shootings (you didn't actually see the shootings, it was the sounds that were so awful) and the visit to the elementary school in Flint where the 6 year old shot and killed a classmate.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:55 AM
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43. Mike Moore kicks ass
If only more democrats had even 1/10th of his balls, we wouldn't be in the turdpile we are now. And that's why so many hate him, cuz he speaks the truth, isn't affraid of criticizing the left, and all around tells it like it is. As far as the Nader-thing goes, he did say to NOT vote for him if you lived in a state that was not obviously going to go for Gore, say FloriDUH. And who cares how much money he makes? Do you see anyone else, at all, who makes what he makes (whatever that may be) who even gives a shit about unions, working people, and the who gamut of democratic issues? Didn't think so! He deserves are fucking last PENNY he makes! Above all, his finantial situations is NONE of our business, end of story.

Lu Cifer
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:29 AM
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the Nader thing
People who are still hung up about 'the Nader thing' and use that as an excuse not to listen to him ought to read the last chapter of 'Stupid White Men' for the real story of what went down in Florida.

Or they can continue with their republican-like willful ignorance.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:15 PM
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58. THANK YOU!
I know right! And they can't STAND that he doesn't put up with wimpy ass Democrats who just roll over and play dead! That's why the right is SO s'ing their pants over Dean and Clark and Kucinich!!!

WE NEED CLARK with DEAN's MOUTH, KUCINICH's MESSAGE and SHARPTON's BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lu
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Anaxamander Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:56 AM
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44. Saw him here in Tallahassee in 2000...
And he gave a great speech and really riled up the liberals, but he was busy promoting the "Bush and Gore are identical" crap and jerking off about Nader. It was the WRONG thing to say in Florida at that time, especially in retrospect.

I'm glad is actually trumpeting a DEMOCRAT this time.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:01 AM
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45. LOVE HIM .......i respect his intellect and his patriotic activism
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 10:04 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Buffler Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:29 AM
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47. Do not like him
he plays way to fast and loose with "facts" and stages events that never happened and would never happen to try and make a point that these events actually happen, when in fact, they don't.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:49 AM
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48. He's ok. Loved his Oscar speech though
Didn't agree with his Nader endorsement or his current endorsement
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:53 AM
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49. He is not a Democrat and made a very poor choice in the 2000 election
Just my $0.02.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:16 AM
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50. I like him a lot...
He can be a bit heavy-handed, and he certainly isn't always right (Nader in 2000), but the guy makes things happen for the better...

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:22 AM
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52. Not Much
not since Nader
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:29 AM
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54. Love him
He pisses the right wing nuts off, BIG TIME!

Didn't agree with his stand on Nader, thrilled with his endorsement of Clark.

He'll be there fighting to defeat Bush regardless of the nominee.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:01 PM
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55. Love him!
Have read "Stupid White Men" and just got the Dude book, but haven't had time to read it yet. I absolutely LOVED his Oscar speech. The only major let-down was the Nader endorsement. I'm ok with the Clark one, though -- at least he's supporting one of ours.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:07 PM
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56. He's funny, gutsy, a little on the corny side, but all in all, aok
in my book.

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 04:51 PM
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59. I like him but
I think he is seen as a left wing, conspiracy nut by most mainstream people and dismissed. It's sad how many people will take a dope like Limbaugh seriously but not Moore.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:38 PM
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60. I like him
Edited on Fri Jan-16-04 06:16 PM by mrfrapp
There's been several posts in this thread criticising Moore for playing fast and loose with facts and chronology, particularly in Bowling For Columbine. May I point these people to Moore's response on this subject as they evidentally haven't read it.

If they have any other reason to criticise Moore's work let them post it here. Oh, and here's a clue: he's a satirist. Not everything he says is meant to be taken ultra-seriously.


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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 05:43 PM
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61. I'm glad he's coming to his senses about beating Bush
rather than supporting Nader again.
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