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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:28 AM
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Dems must challenge Bush on the Environment.
There are so many things we could take shrub to task on. Fortunately, we are doing that. Particularly with the job market and the Iraq war. As well as the Patriot Act and intelligence Leaks. The environment is another front we can open against W. Al Gore has already started that, but the candidates need to continue. This is a man who withdrew from Kyoto, made Houston the most polluted city in America, The Clean Air act that allows corporations to pollute more. I am aware that Dean and the others have taken shots but it is time to go on the offensive and open up as many fronts as possible against the WH.
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F-5 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:31 AM
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1. I totally agree.
The environment, to me, is one of the biggest issues that needs to be addressed, not only for this country, but for the world. I hope someone starts kicking Bush's ass on how he's (mis)handled the environment.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:37 AM
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2. Environment=Public Health
How can we talk about increased health costs without mentioning that Bush is weakening the very laws that are meant to provide health protection.
People tend to think of the issue "environment" as protection of endangered species but it is the category that covers human health.

Republicans are so vulnerable on this but I haven't heard a candidate really make the connection.
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Granite Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:39 AM
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3. Yes - the environment is always a top issue for me
but I think I read somewhere that the environment is way down the list for most general election voters. I'm not sure how that would play as a campaign strategy. But Dems own the issue, and its an issue that we need to control and not let Shrub* coopt, like he's done with his prescription drugs and education shams.
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MinnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:45 AM
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4. also affirm....look at some of RFK Jr.'s recent work....
....many other sources detail the ravaging of the environment, and it's not some obscure owls threatened....factories are pumping toxic pollutants into the air....it's ok to dump mining waste into rivers and streams without even treating it....

...EPA has DROPPED about 50 lawsuits against major polluters, saying in essence that they can go right on doing whatever whoring destruction of the environment it was that got them sued in the first place.


...children are breathing far worse air in many, many cities than just a few years ago...incidence of related diseases such as asthma in children going up...a direct threat to the nation;s future.

...in the Twin Cities last summer we had several pollution alerts; old people and the ill advised to stay indoors. that until very recently was a rarity...we always thought our cities were comparatively clean...no more.


Bush, pushing his phony mantra of unshackling manufacturers, has instead opened the floodgates of pollution.

I don't know what kind of traction the issue will get but it should be a MAJOR issue in the presidential election. It's absolutely appalling.....
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F-5 Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:48 AM
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5. It's also those damned SUVs and such that are driving up
greenhouse gasses and pollutants into the air.

I've never seen the Twin Cities in a bad state like it was last summer. I lived there for 12 years and never seen it that bad. It's slowly turning into Houston. :(
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:04 AM
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6. Your preaching to the choir with me
If a pollster ever asks me, the Environment has always been my issue of greatest concern. It's a pet peave of mine that even when the environment is mentioned it's always LAST (education, health care, bla-bla-bla, and the environment). It must be a polling thing.

I saw a segment on NBC Nightly News a few weeks ago about a life-long Republican and Montana rancher who switched to the Dems because of *'s policy on opening up the front ranges to natural gas development.

I think we need to work at the grass roots to get more switches like that, but on the national level for some reason people just don't get it.

Hubert Humphrey said that the president is an educator, and maybe only an environmentalist president can raise public awareness on the subject.
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guido500 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:10 AM
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7. Do you remember...the 15 yr. tax rebate?
Bush is also vulverable on a point long forgotten. He stated before 9-11 that he wanted to give the major corps. all their taxes back for the last 15 yrs. I can't believe no one hammers him on this.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:32 AM
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8. Welcome Guido, welcome!
I don't remember hearing about the rebate. But the GROSS TONNAGE of stuff that Bush and his crowd have done or said is fodder for a lifetime of outrage.

With the environment, notice how they name things the opposite of what they are: healthy forets, clear skies....
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