I smell a landslide in November.

[Kazak]

Who's going to vote for Bush? He's either pissed off, or alienated just about every group he can possibly hope to get support from. Half the moderate Republicans are going to vote for the Dem, and half the hardcore wingers are going to abstain. I really sense that the bottom is going to fall out hard on Smirkyboy. Am I just naive?

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[Kazak]

3. Oh, that's the spin now, is it?

Welcome to DU. ;)

[fairfaxvadem]

6. nice try on the Hillary meme....

Democrats have a difficult enough time agreeing on anything, let alone agreeing to "let" that idiot have another four years...

[INTELBYTES]

62. could someone tell me what "meme" means?

I've been around for a little while but haven't figured that one out yet.

[Silverhair]

66. It is a word for "idea", invented by Richard Dawkins, in his book...

"The Selfish Gene". The book is excellent reading if you want a good understanding of how evolution works. It is also the founding work of sociobiology. The word meme is used a bit more specifically than "idea" as it carries connotations, but that is close enough.

[alcuno]

9. Welcome to DU, cg483. That's right out of the RNC handbook.

I heard Hillary speak in Florida and she said that another 4 years of * would ruin the nation and that he must go now; I have no reason not to believe her words. Can't the Republicans come up with anything better than the Hillary 08 scenario? It's like they get their talking points from the same source and then chant them ad nauseum. What a bunch of mindless drones.

[caledesi]

15. Agree. This whole "Hillary" thing is SO repug. nt

[LiberalFighter]

82. Of course... that is why they are called ditto heads

They can't think for themselves so they pass off what they hear from their druggie racist leaders as an original thought.

[alcuno]

92. Does Rush still say something about how he is thinking so that

his listeners don't have to? I remember hearing it repeatedly on a drive between Chicago and Florida a few years ago.

[11 Bravo]

10. I can read this horseshit at lucianne.com ...

or listen to it at any time on Faux news. Welcome to DU, but I predict a short stay.

[Deja Q]

11. Well, Hillary would be far more unifying than Bush*...

And a hell of a lot smarter and infinitely more qualfied!

[hang a left]

63. Not to mention a bigger set

of balls.

[Cooley Hurd]

14. Wow! That doesn't make sense on ANY level...

I'll let you in on a little secret - if the Dems lose (intentionally or not) in November, there will be one more on the unemployment line: Terry McAuliffe. I doubt he wants to lose his job...

Welcome to DU... :eyes:

[lancdem]

26. That's what Limbaugh says

and when has he ever been an expert on Dem strategy?

[BigDaddyLove]

88. While he may not be an expert on Dem strategy...........

he did accurately predict that Democrats wouldn't do so well in 2002.

It doesn't take a psychic to predict that the Democratic canidate will have one Hell of an uphill battle come November, but it does take a person with Blue colored glasses on to pretend otherwise.

[Journeyman]

32. z z Z Z . . .

[Piperay]

56. It's the repukes who want

Hillary to run for President, NOT the Democrats. :argh:

[onecitizen]

60. yeah I heard rush say........

this off and on for a few weeks now.

[INTELBYTES]

61. Call me a tin-foil hatter...

but I have heard and buy into this philosophy. It's a little too caustic of a subject to discuss in the GD so I usually don't bother.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

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[are_we_united_yet]

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[brainwashed_youth]

2. Unofortuneately...

I think ur being a little naive. Alot of Republicans are still gonna vote Bush because they feel he's the "lesser of the two evils".

[caledesi]

20. The lesser of two evils?

Excuse me, but who is the lying evil one? Yes, it's Bush*. WMDs - the reason why we went to Iraq, remember? How about your overtime? - gone. How about "Clear Skies?" Just eliminated CO2 from the 4 pollutants - sorry, it's a lie.

There is no lesser of two evils: All the Dem candidates are NOT evil, and don't lie. I will take any one of them.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

23. yeah

it would be funny but it's true. Why settle for the lesser evil? I don't mean Bush, I mean, you know, Cthulu. "Who will be Eaten First". But what I really mean is doesn't "the electable candidate than can win" mean the same thing as "lesser of two evils"?

Cthulu/Kucinich 2004! (Bad Cop, Good Cop)

[TruthIsAll]

30. If 90% of Repubs vote for Bush, he loses..big time

Because any Repub who voted for * in 2000 who votes for the Dem will only increase the majority of who voted for Gore - at least 540,000 (and that's VERY conservative).

Bush will lose at least 10% of the Repubs.

The Dem will get at least 55%..

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[wildwww2]

34. Alot of Pubs voted for Bu$h last time. He still lost to President Gore.

And was installed by his conflict of interest ridden pals on the Latrine Court. Now he has a record of being a miserable failure to boot. Where I work we have about 24 employee`s. I know of at least 3 of those said employees. Who voted for Bu$h in 2000. And they hate his sorry ass now for various reasons. And have told me they were planning on voting for anyone but Bu$h. How can a guy that lost by over half a million votes afford to lose more votes? Electronic voting crookedness and his pocket court again are his only chances. IMHO. That incumbant stuff is bullcrap because he is a fraud to begin with. My mother even won`t vote for the prick again because of the Iraq war. And she thinks I will stop being an activist if the maggot loses. She is wrong about that. But I know she is telling me the truth that she won`t vote for Dim Son again.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[...Alltogethernow]

43. It pisses me off to see and hear ...

... all the bushit slant and rant in my office lately. I think we still have a quite battle ahead of us.

<splng>

[gristy]

75. In San Francisco? Bush supporters?

You're kidding, right? Folks in my office are solid against his re-selection.

[...Alltogethernow]

93. It would be clear to you why if ...

... you knew what business I'm in.
Sorry, but I'm not going to divulge on the Internet.

[wroberts189]

4. I agree

How can the worst President in history possibly be re-elected?

(edit: after being selected by the court and having lost by half a million votes)

Even the corporate media cant protect him now.

[HootieMcBoob]

5. Maybe

But I feel the same way. How many people who voted for Gore last time around are gonna vote for bush this time? I just don't see it.

In fact Democrats are so riled up that the turnout will be even larger than 2000. And Gore won by half a million votes.

The only problem is the way that Bush has been given a pass by the media. If the media grows a spine we'll be ok.

[LiberalFighter]

83. The media lack of coverage needs to be countered

Media is probably considered what comes out of Washington.

To countered the Washington media we need every Democratic politician to get on board and get the message out in their local area. When they are campaigning for themselves they need to campaign for the Democratic Party's presidential candidate. Governors, Senators, Congressman, right on down. Those that are not up for election also need to be out there in the public supporting the candidate. This will saturate the local media and offset the national media's lack of or out of balance reporting. In addition, the National and State Democratic Parties need to have the PR available to respond immediately when necessary. Our people need to have the information to rebut the lies. If we feel helpless and unable to respond then it gives the opposition the leverage over us.

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[Cooley Hurd]

22. Actually, this is backed up by a report in the Moonie Times (yeah, I know)

Conservatives are HOPPING PISSED about the illegal immigrant amnesty proposal. He's becoming persona non grata with them:

Bush's immigration plan hurts re-election war chest

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President Bush's immigration initiative has angered conservative Republicans so much that some are refusing to donate to his re-election campaign, according to a Bush fund-raiser in Georgia.

Phil Kent, a member of the host committee for a Bush fund-raiser in Atlanta yesterday, said he was told by several would-be donors that they would not attend the $2,000-per-person event because of the president's announcement last week on immigration reform.
"I was soliciting checks right after the announcement, and I lost two checks from people who had wanted to come, but wouldn't," Mr. Kent said. "They specifically said this is just rewarding lawbreakers.

"That was the constant theme," he added. "And even among some people who wrote the checks, there's grumbling."
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Those are the people who put him close enough to Al Gore that he was allowed to steal the election. Without them, he won't be able to cheat successfully this time around...

[djensen]

27. I don't see it lasting - a few more recess judicial appointments and...

they'll forget all about it. I've heard about Michael Savage being in full revolt, but he's not the typical Republican. It's best to count on them showing up for Bush. I read the article and it seems pretty small potatoes. A few individual contributors. But I'm sure those same people will still be voting for him.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. I'd read the article before posting again...

These are hard-core, money-contributing conservatives. And, there's ONLY 10 months to go before the election. Unless Shrub kills the amnesty plan before then, they won't forget! These racist and religious kooks NEVER forget...

[djensen]

31. I did read it, and these are a handful of $2000 contributors

You're right though, they are hardcore activist types. But that only points to the likelihood that it won't be widespread. I can't see it being a make or break issue for very many, though I could be wrong.
Personally, I am loathe to the idea of depending on the other guy having a poor showing as part of my victory strategy.
I perish any thought of a lucky break.

[Cooley Hurd]

49. The story came from The Washington Times...

...a moonie rag. For them to print ANYTHING negative about the Chimp means it must be true!

2004 will be a replay of 1992 ("it's the economy, stupid." And a jobless recovery is NO recovery for the middle class - that includes the southern states). Plus, his foreign policy is a disaster. A better question to ask is, "why would anyone vote FOR Bush???"

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51. "Conservative" Dem?!?

Wow! Hi Zell! How was Chimpy's party last night? ;)

Hijacking of the party by the far left? Oh Zell, another pearl of wisdom...

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[Cooley Hurd]

85. Al Gore won 2000...

A little FYI for you...

[hang a left]

65. Could you please explain the

highjacking of the Dem party by the far left. What leftie principles are being advocated by the Democratic candidates, eh?

[Deja Q]

8. My local station (WCCO) rported that Bush* had an approval rating of

63%.

:wow:

Who are they asking? The affluent only?

I'm praying for a landslide. And I'm praying for a candidate who is pro-people and pro-budget and definitely keen on keepng the corporate element under a reasonable leash. It's the other way right now and everything's in a mess that's only going to explode.

[alcuno]

12. I think * could crack under another year of hatred and loathing.

Never have I seen or heard such overt condemnation of any president. When Clinton was president, the hatred came from members of Congress and the media. Now it's coming from the people.

[Poiuyt]

40. But Bush never sees it

The protests are kept in the "free speech" zones, and bush doesn't read newspapers. He is well protected from what the people think.

[wuushew]

13. What constitutes a landslide?

Bush is guaranteed 199 electoral votes minimum.

[ThomWV]

16. I've Been Saying That for 3 Months

There is this too. It is generally considered to be the gosphel that the Democrats will be out in force for the next election. There is a lot of rage lingering from 2000, a lot of people who were cut off from their rights as voters and a lot of others that are kicking themselves for not having gone to the poles the last time.

Contrast that to the Republicans. Really. They DID get out the vote in 2000, they had Clinton-hatred on their minds and Gore was just Clinton light as far as they were concerned. Every red blooded Republican they could wheel to the booths voted .... and they best they could come up with was at best a tie. There is no reason to think that there is a single person in the country that voted for Gore last time that will vote for Bush this time. There are a lot of Republicans who say they may not vote for the Democrat but that they Can Not vote for Bush again. You see and hear them every day. And how about the Greens from 2000 who see Bush as being such a threat that even a vote for a DevilDemocrat would be better than a second term. Saver forests from timbering my ass and our national parks turned into go-kart tracks for ATVs.

A land slide? You're damned right!

Thom

[Ksec]

18. ditto

Bush lost more jobs than the past ten Presidents combined. That figure alone should dump his sorry butt

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38. Yes its true

look it up instead of whining

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[gristy]

77. I found a graph for total U.S. employment for the last 10 years.

It's pretty damning to the shrub, but it's only from the U.S. Dept. of Labor, so take it with a grain of salt. :) Let me know what you think.

http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref1

[Maeve]

78. And there's this

http://money.cnn.com/2004/01/09/news/economy/jobs/index.htm

The nation has lost 2.4 million since February 2001, just before the last recession began, the longest such stretch of pain since World War II. Nearly 800,000 of those jobs have disappeared since the recession ended in November 2001.

[TahitiNut]

80. Try this ...

[TahitiNut]

81. or, even more clearly, this ...

[Cat Atomic]

17. He's a uniter, alright. He's got Libertarians and Greens voting together.

And I agree with you on the landslide (assuming the vote isn't rigged, of course). I've talked to so many people who voted Republican in the past and now say they'd *never* vote for Bush again. Every Green I know is voting for the Democrat in November.

I've honestly never seen another politician who is so universally disliked.

[silverlib]

19. I agree

There's an article that was posted in Latest Breaking News earlier today that talks about six Repug organizations pulling their support of Bush, due to lack of fiscal responsibility. They are stating they will not vote Democratic, just simply not vote.

I think the greens and independents (like Michael Moore) realize the importance of not splitting the vote and the Democrats will win by a landslide, just like you stated.

I love other optimists!

[ThomWV]

24. Their Best Shot

And please don't forget the second half to the equation.

They have already hit us with their best shot. There have been no new Republican recruits since 2000. What we saw in 2000 was all the vote they could possibly muster. 49,900,000 votes. We had 50,000,000. Just do the simple math, they loose let's say 3,000,000 to disgruntled folks who see the lies that lead us to war or the outing of a CIA agent, or the fact that he is just a simple dullard (thank you Secretary O'Neill), now they got 47M. Knock off another 2 million for fiscal conservatives who can not stomach deficit spending from now until the end of etnity. So he's got 45 million left. Now take our 50 million and add 2 million who will show up this time out of embarassment for not having gone to the poles last time, add a million blacks nationwide who were denied the vote last time, that gives you 53 million, now add half the Green vote from 2000 and figure that the other half will not vote at all or will vote for someone none of us has heard of, that's another 5 million votes. So there we are with 58 million to Bush's 45 million. You see any gross mistakes in that?

Thom

[silverlib]

42. Excellent! (n/t)

[necso]

21. No chance.

We could run Jesus and the Holy Ghost and it would still be tight. This isn't about realities, this isn't about right and wrong. This is about media mismanaged perceptions, bigotry, the lusts of the pseudo-religious "wrongs", greed, fear, stupidity, ignorance, willful blindness, multinational corporate interests and a group of completely unscrupulous criminals who will do or say anything to maintain their power. ANYTHING!

[jbm]

25. I just started a similiar thread...

sorry for not reading through the forum a little better first. I could have added my post onto this one,but maybe it's not bad to have two threads with encouraging news. :)

[11 Bravo]

29. God! I love the smell of hit and run troll posts in the morning!

They smell like ... shit.

[Cat Atomic]

33. I talk with Republicans regularly- just regular folks- not wackos.

And I thought their response to Bush's billion-dollar "good marriage" proposal was interesting. While they're definitely opposed to gay marriage, they're even more opposed to irresponsible government spending. They were disgusted by Bush's wild spending on an issue that should cost nothing.

I say it's interesting because that proposal was obviously meant to create a wedge issue for use against Howard Dean. The Bush team completely misread the issue and shot themselves in the foot. It's such a blundering, stupid mistake.

[absyntheNsugar]

37. God I hope so....

I pray every night that we send him packing to talk to the cows in November.

[BeatleBoot]

39. The Bushies Haven't Begun to Bark Yet

Its a long way between now and November.

Its going to be a battle royale. Fasten your seatbelts.

[rockymountaindem]

41. Landslide? I think not...

Hi, I just joined the forum a few days ago, but I've been following the site for about 18 months. It's good to be here!

I don't know where you get the landslide idea. First of all, there were four million evangelical Christians who didn't vote in the last election. I hear Rove carries around a piece of paper in his briefcase reminding himself of that every day.

Secondly, I come from one of the most conservative areas in the country, and I don't know of a single one who will not vote for Bush. They are all crazy for him. I wish I lived where you people do, seeing liberals every day (and moderates too), but all I get is a conservative echo chamber. Really, these people are hard-core for Bush.

The Senate thing has me worried too. So, if any of my fellow Coloradans are out there, write Gary Hart asking him to run and defeat Nighthorse! We may have a chance there...

[Must_B_Free]

44. heh

"Hi, I just joined the forum a few days ago, but I've been following the site for about 18 months."

yeah, I think most DU'ers lurk for a year or two before their first post.

Landslide. Evil is its own worst enemy.

[silverlib]

45. Wecome to DU...

I've been around here since the stolen election. I, too, waited a long time to post.

I hope you enjoy this place as much as I do!

[TruthIsAll]

57. So you are the ONLY one who will not vote for Bush?

Sure.

Hey..listen up. Your boy is a loser.

[Old and In the Way]

46. Bush will unite the country.

Everyone not connected with Haliburton, Enron, WSJ, and the RNC will be united in their desire to rid us of the criminal war profiteers that occupy the Legislature.

Even though BBV scares me, I think the results will be so overwhelming as to completely be unfreepable.

But real change will only occur when we rid ourselves of a Republican majority in Congress. Too many of these people have enabled the looting of our Treasury and rubberstamped the criminal actions of this administration.

What we really need is a Democratic majority that can expose the crimes inflicted on the citizens of this country since the illegal seating of this junta.

This has been festering since the 80's......we let these bastards off then, to our detriment today.

[IronLionZion]

52. he's a uniter all right

uniting those who oppose him. I never dreamt I would stand with Socialists, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, and real Conservatives on the exact same goal.

[saltpoint]

47. A statistical tie in 2000, but in 2004 --

-- a mobilized electorate shows a second Bush the door.

The Democrats will win the White House partly on issues, but mostly because George Bush and his administration have been uncivil to our allies, and deceitful to American voters.

They have betrayed the spirit of a constitutional republic.

Voters will choose heart-and-mind in November instead of bully-boy warmongering and flag-wrapping. If we hold Gore's states and gain Ohio, Bush disappears.

[Catherine Vincent]

48. Don't be fooled.

There's still plenty of idiots that will vote for the chimp.

[LoZoccolo]

50. We'll have to see about "vanitycons".

These are the people that are like, middle class, but like to pretend they are rich enough to be part of the people that benefit from Republican policies. Think of like, the people that obsessed about getting into this or that college in high school but you knew they weren't going to make it and they didn't, or would accuse other people of cheating if they got more on a test...I don't know what I'm talking about but you probably know what I'm trying to say. They wear the Republican brand name but really don't know much about politics. If these people drop off, I think it'll be a big bloc pretty much at once - it's like the amount of "embarassment" they would feel about not voting Republican would be outweighed by the embarassment of supporting Bush*.

[Cat Atomic]

54. I know some of those people. The always buy the

cheapest model of BMW. They'd get twice the car if they spent that same amount of cash and got a top-of-the-line Honda, but they're all about the "BMW" tag, and so they buy a BMW with no radio and no AC.

[hang a left]

71. You would be surprized at how uninformed some of

these "republicans" are. In upper middle-class neighborhoods, more than half of them can't tell you the name of the attorney general of the US. They are naive and do not have a clue as to what is going on in this country. The church going folk, all republicans in these neighborhoods, think whistle ass is great because he is a christian. He is religious alright, but his God and theirs are two completely different entities.


on edit; unimformed to uninformed, need.......coffee

[IronLionZion]

53. There are more Democrats than Republicans

in America. It's a fact but I don't have the exact numbers. I was expecting Gore to spank Bush back in 2000 and it was close because people assumed they were the same. Now they know the truth and if they don't know, then we'll tell them as many times as we have to.

We have to go big or go home, and many Americans have lost their homes so we better go big.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

68. Another thing too, people are more aware now of the role

that the media played in smearing Gore and propping up Bush. This time, I think more people will see through this and realize that the media is biased.

The Bush supporters can't see it, but the people who are less political will see the pattern of hypocricy. Plus the Democratic candidate knows now to fight back after seeing how the election was stolen from the winner.

[Piperay]

55. Doesn't matter how people

really feel or how they vote, the repukes control the voting equipment so they will just steal it again. :argh: :grr: :mad: :cry:

[Kazak]

84. I think attemtping to steal this election...

would be a seriously illadvised move on the part of the Republicans. If they do win, it had better be cleaner than Mr. clean legitimate. If people feel as though the election has been stolen, there's going to be some seriously strong civil unrest in this country. Fool me once - shame on me, fool me twice - revolt!

[SammyWinstonJack]

87. YEP!

I could not agree more! They had their one shot at a stolen election. They won't get away with it again.

[RainDog]

90. Agreed.

in 2000, they had their bases covered, ready to fly operatives to stage fake protests in Miami, courtesy of an Enron plane.

This time around, those of us who watched in disgust have had four years to see the horror of a failure to demand, in massive civil disobedience, or strikes, or whatever else is necessary to stop yet another take over by the extremist right wing.

Look at who Bush just installed on the court- Pickering.

We cannot, as a nation, afford another four years of this dangerous gang of thugs.

Now, with move on, with the Iraq war protests, there is an organizational base which reaches beyond those who usually make up an "activist" group who would come out in protest against such abuses of power.

It's interesting that the inaugural protests were suppressed by mainstream media, for instance.

It wasn't until later I found out that Bush couldn't get out of his limo because so many people were out in number to protest his illegal usurpation of the office of president.

This time around, if Bush steals the election, I will be one of those who sat at home in 2000 and watched in dismay.

Not this time. Never again.

[LibertyorDeath]

58. 49,900,000 imbeciles lets do the math

49,900,000
minus the hardcore KKK vote re immigration
minus those who have realized that praising the Troops while cutting their benefits sucks!
minus the fiscally responsible repubs smaller gov etc
minus the pro individual rights independent voters see AssKKKroft
minus those who have found the ability to think for themselves

and I'd say this fuckers toast.

[Wonco_the_Sane]

59. No 3rd party factor helps the good guys

Someone correct this if it's wrong, but I was told both Shrub and Gore got more votes than Clinton did in either election!?!? Clinton stomped the repugs well enough but 3rd parties made it closer than it might have been. Dems will win, however a landslide is just wishful thinking.

Go Dean, but I'll vote for any Democrat that gets the nod.

[DemNoir]

64. Why the hell!

Are there this many responses to that piece of crap post? Shame on you all I say!

[Kazak]

86. So, you'll just go and add one, eh?

You're self-contradictory post speaks volumes. Thanks for playing. :)

[Silverhair]

67. I smell wishful thinking.

If so many people are angry at him, why are his poll numbers still well above 50%?

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[Silverhair]

79. Yep. They are trying to sell hate as a reason to vote for them.

It doesn't work. Even Clark is getting sucked into it as he tries to appeal to the angry left to win the nomination.

[gold_bug]

76. everwhere I go I meet people who hate Bush

which is encouraging. But then I ask them if they'll vote Dem and so many are like: heck no, there's no difference between the Repubs and the Dems. Ugh. :+ Of course I try to show them it's untrue, but usually to no avail.

[YNGW]

89. I'll place you in the naive camp.

But, that's only because that's the word you used. I would use the phrase "overly optimistic".

An incumbent president has huge advantages over any opponent. Our candidates are going to have to give real solutions to real problems and can't rely on just throwing red-meat to the base. I've listened to our candidates, I've visited their websites, and I have yet to have any of them get me excited about their campaigns, so I'm still waiting to see if they ever put forth anything substantive.

[0007]

91. Go Dean Go