For those that read the O'Neill book- the facts eluding "airtime"

[cthrumatrix]

There are soo many juicy nuggets:
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* The obvious Iraq pre-911 planning 10 days into office. 60 Minutes did talk about this ...but NOBODY picked it up.

* The talk of privatizing Soc Sec at a cost of $1 Trillion that was mapped out with O'Neill and Greenspan. This is what bush will talk about at the SOTU.

* Rumsfeld "oil map" and "oil companies" planning soo early into shrub's admin. Again on 60 Minutes...zero follow up.

* The Christine Todd Whitman exchange where shrub totally set her up with Kyoto promises ans screwed her.

* The Cheney comment on "deficits don't matter" -- where are the repugs on this one?

* The two years of CIA data O'Neill received in the NSC meeting ....nothing showing WMD proof.


on and on....so much there....why don't they talk about facts in the book...TV or print...how surpising.

(Please add any...that you think are important)

[Mikimouse]

1. I've not yet read the book, but am not surprised at all...

the American media have turned into nothing more than propagandists for this administration. I would love to be a fly on the wall and find out exactly what messages have been received by the various types of media about what they can publicize and what they cannot (or should not), and why. It seemes to me that in order for the media to have taken such a narrow course, there must be something coming to them in the long term, other than money.

[cthrumatrix]

2. I understand the John Dean (another repug) has a scathing book on shrub

coming out in April..... wonder if that will be covered.

O'Neill's has facts, memo's...etc...it's a history of deceipt in the WH...I still think it will add to his undoing...more and more and more are reading this book.

[Mikimouse]

5. Dean is an interesting character...

I have been reading his articles from Findlaw (usually published on Buzzflash), and have found his insights to be quite solid. Yes, he is a repug, but seemingly is one of those that we often discuss here as being 'true' conservatives. Nixon tried to screw him royally, and he is being sued by G.Gordon Liddy, so he is OK in my book.

[Nite Owl]

4. If you saw NOW last night

the guy that was on (I'm so bad with names, sorry) said something about this administration punishing reporters if they say or ask the 'wrong' thing. They won't get any news or get called on if they are 'bad'. It just strikes me that if they had the backbone to stick together, all walk out, report that they are being closed off that would be the story in itself. I hope it happens someday. Won't hold my breath in the meantime.

[Mikimouse]

7. Bill Moyers? Yes, it is well know that reporters who ask 'threatening'

questions will not receive favorable treatment, but there must be more to it, as this media trend dates back to the early days of the Clinton administration with all the garbage that was published back then, about Clinton alleged misdeeds. The reporters will not walk out en masse, because they are not all on the same page, and while a boycott of *'s speeches would send a message, * would get a walk out of it, having managed to avoid answering any questions at all.

[kentuck]

3. The only thing I've heard talked about is when did they plan the war?

Did they have plans to invade Iraq from the beginning? And it seems tht the Administration has more or less disarmed those charges??

[Mikimouse]

8. I don't know that they have disarmed it completely...

they have certainlly tried to do so, with the statements about the policies already being in place prior to * taking office. The counter argument, however, is that the policies did not make any suggestion of a pre-emptive war, or any type of defiance of the UN. Those all belong to * and his thugs.

[cthrumatrix]

9. Well they say it was clinton policy -- but in the book it even says it's

different than clinton -- becuase they were willing to put "men on the ground" Clinton did not want this.

But the "oil fields" conversation from Rummy starting out in early 2001 should be "major red flag question"

And the "regime change issue" was never brought up as the policy with the UN the case for war etc...all WMD ..all the time.

Just the fact that we were so blatently lied to should be grounds for impeachment...

[Th1onein]

6. They're missing this too:

Bush saying isn't it time we gave some to the middle? We gave to the rich last time.

Well....seems to me that this shows that they lied to the American people when they said that the first tax cut was for the middle. Then, when they passed the second one, they expected us to swallow the same BS.

[leetrisck]

10. Destroyed relations with us, NK & SK in 24 hours

Had taken 10 years of hard work - this played out in front of all us - AND NOTHING. This book is really good and if we think about it, we know a lot of it - we just didn't have the insiders view.

[priller]

11. Tenet is in on it, also

There's a pre-9.11 meeting where Tenet brings in a big blown up photo from a spy satellite and tells them it's a suspected weapons plant. Cheney is all excited, telling the staffers to come take a look. O'Neill looks and says, "I've seen lots of plants and factories in my time, and I don't see what's suspicious about this one?" And Tenet tries to explain what all the pieces are, but O'Neill asks, "Yes, but how do you know they're making weapons?" Tenet has to admit that they actually had no evidence whatsoever of weapons, it was simply a suspected site.

[cthrumatrix]

12. Tenet buy into the PNAC agenda ... if there is nothing there

which there was NOT.

[HereSince1628]

13. I finished the book and 4 days later little seems very significant

Most of the book tells from the inside things that we knew or strongly suspected.

What I'd like to know is what O'Neill is really trying to tell us.

There is certainly all the things presented above as well as O'Neill's disdain for the Bush Administration's reliance on ideology and suppositiion rather than on rational analysis of facts.

BUT

Is O'Neill's REAL message simply, "Call me before Congress, I am ready to talk?" In a truly remarkable if not unprecedented way he handed over CD's containing 19,000 documents.

[KoKo]

14. I tried to buy it at Barnes & Nobel this afternoon. Sold Out! but, I

picked up Keven Philips book and will check out my other stores this week or order online the O'Neil one.

It's so interesting that O'Neil's is sold out.....and that's in NC.