Did the end of the SOTU scare you too?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

He sounds like a religious fundamentalist. Are we approaching a religious state or what?

"My fellow citizens, we now move forward, with confidence and faith. Our nation is strong and steadfast. The cause we serve is right, because it is the cause of all mankind. The momentum of freedom in our world is unmistakable -- and it is not carried forward by our power alone. We can trust in that greater power who guides the unfolding of the years. And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.

May God continue to bless America. (Applause.) END 10:05 P.M. EST"

I guess atheists are as good as enemy combatants and activist judges.

[onecitizen]

1. The whole thing scared me........

any time he opens his pie hole, he scares me!

[TNOE]

2. Please see my post in the Meeting Room

I'm a little worried about it too.

[meti57b]

3. I think by "greater power", he means the pnac and the republican party.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

6. Every word he said sounded like it came from the PNAC website

unbelievable!

[seemslikeadream]

4. Sounds like a religious fundalmentalist?

Theonomic Reconstructionism "One God One Vote". Biblical law trumps civil law. www.theocracywatch.org

[skypilot]

5. "...move forward..."

I've said this before but I'm so fucking tired of the phrases "move forward", "moving forward", "forward-looking", etc. I saw Karen Hughes on the news last night before the SOTU address throwing those phrases around and I literally lunged at the TV to change the channel. Do these assholes even know what they are "moving forward" towards?? At this point when I hear one of them say "we must move forward" it sounds suspiciously like, "Get out of our way so that we can press ahead with whatever the fuck we want to do".

[Robb]

11. It sounds better than

"Don't look back at all the crap I did."

[Ilsa]

13. "Moving forward".

I thought it meant that they had screwed everything up and we need to get over it and move forward.

[skypilot]

16. Move forward=Get over it

You know, I think that does, in fact, sum it up.

[Scurrilous]

23. No lingering...

..at the accident scene that is the Bush mis-administration. Move along...nothing to see here.

[tom_paine]

27. It's an inside joke

When they say it, THEY mean "moving forward to unchecked Totalitarian hegemony".

With a smirk, they encourage us to believe they mean something else...

[shanti]

7. it bothered me too

chimpy's references to "him". i mean, what if god is a woman?

[Dr.Phool]

8. I' gonna hide under the bed

Just in case Ashcroft comes around. I'm an atheist and a Democrat, so that probably makes me an enemy combatant too!

[ramapo]

9. No more than anything else he says

Just about everything he says scares me. The end of the speech was his pandering to the religious right. I find it arrogant and unamerican...that is the America that existed before the Republican effort to turn it into a religious state.

[evil_orange_cat]

10. that speech made me want to PUKE!

I couldn't bear to watch it for longer than 30 seconds... it started bad for me. WHen CNN was interviewing Tom "I'm an asshole" DeLay, I wanted to reach through my TV and rip his head off and piss down his neck.

republicans suck

[buff2]

12. What else can he say?

After all GOD put him the Whitehouse to save the world.:puke: :eyes: :boring:

[kentuck]

14. That was scary !

:) Moreso than the speech by Howard Dean. Mostly because he thinks God supports his invasions and killing and wants him to do drug tests on every American, not just children.

[spindoctor]

15. His purposes might be just and true...

...unfortunately yours are not.

I'm also tired of his use of the word continue. My bet is that he came up with that himself and just thinks its so clever. :eyes:

The hypocricy is that on the one hand he is battling theocracies and labeling them as "unfree", while on the other he is trying to establish one right here.

There are reasons that our Founding Fathers were big on separation of church and state. Somebody better remind the President and better yet, his supporters, of these reasons or we will end up with Jimmy Swaggart in the White House and uniformed Religious Police, just like the President's friends in Saudi Arabia.

Edited for typo

[RandomKoolzip]

17. I did a thread about this last night....

I've NEVER heard as many regerences to organized reliion used by a president in a single speech before. I thought Reagan was bad!


As an atheist, I was outraged by his blithely stomping and spitting on the separation of church and state last night.

[LeahMira]

19. Not only atheists...

As an atheist, I was outraged by his blithely stomping and spitting on the separation of church and state last night.

You don't have to be an atheist to be deeply worried and outraged. As a person who is Jewish, I am concerned because I know that Bush's version of religion is not friendly to my beliefs. He wasn't making reference to organized religion. He was making reference specifically to organized Christian religion.

He isn't the first...

[RandomKoolzip]

21. Right. Plus gays, lesbians, blacks, the poor, workers, Muslims, Bhuddists

Women, the terminally ill, anyone who can't afford insurance......Just about anyone you won't see at a Baptist Church in Crawford or a board meeting at Bechtel.


From Bush to the above: "I hope you die!" Not in so many words, of course, but the subtext is there.....

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

20. As a Christian I was also outraged - keep the Church and State separate!

Or this ain't America anymore!

[soleft]

18. He made special note of the "times" we are living in

Historic times, but more frightening

"A time set apart"

One the hell does that mean. I can't help but wonder if that is code for "end times"

[grasswire]

28. a time set apart

"A time set apart" One the hell does that mean. I can't help but wonder if that is code for "end times"

I caught that too. I suspect it is some fundie lingo, from his very fundie speechwriter Michael Gerson. I'll try to check it out.

Ha! Just as I figured. "Set apart" is code for "people who are holy" and some other fundie beliefs.

[rumguy]

29. I think these wierdos do see it as the "end times"

it's fucking scary...

[Carni]

22. He can kiss my ass

The end of the speech when he blasted into Cheney's water glass was my favorite part!

As to his saving a soul at a time drivel... (see subject)

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. I think the sermon I heard at Christmas

had less religious symbolism. Is he trying the start the Divine Right of Presidents? And preparing for Armegeddon?

[LeahMira]

30. Wondering...

And preparing for Armegeddon?

Christians, or any others who are familiar with "end times" prophecies, is there not something about a lot of years of goodness followed by a lot of years of wars, or something about the Leader of the Light and the Leader of the Darkness?

There seems to be some code or set of code words out there that only fundamentalists seem to understand. I've heard them talk and while all the words are English and all the sentence structure and grammar seems logical, I still find that I have no idea what they are talking about. Maybe Bush is talking to these people. (Feeling a tad paranoid now.)

[Malva Zebrina]

25. It is part of his plan, if you want to call it that

what it is actually is greed for power and money. Bush could give a crap about the Constitution, the proud history of this country, the wisdom of it's founders in insisting that the church be separate from the state, and a host of other unique and democratic initiatives that have been added over the years.

George Bush is a fascist, using religion to stir up emotional support for his filthy regime that is actually hurting his own people. He does NOT care. Bush only cares about himself and right now he is so full of himself that all he can so is smirk and lie, smirk and lie--that makes him feel as if he is truly the "warrior" president on a par with no one since he , in his sick delusions, thinks he has done more for human rights than any other president. The sick, but armed and dangerous, filthy little coward of an AWOL man who had to resort to stealth and illegal cronysim to even get electe. Shame on those who let this man bully them.

What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator. Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 125


Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 5

The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 10

For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!' Adolf Hitler's prayer, Mein Kampf, Vol. 2 Chapter 13

[Logansquare]

26. Dear merciful God

if you exist, please rescue the earth from this maniac.