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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:41 AM
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Bush To America: 'I Hate The Gays'
So let me get this straight (no pun intended)... Bush wants to protect the sanctity of marriage by keeping two people who love each other from getting married? Doesn't make much sense to me.

If he really cared about the sanctity of marriage, he'd make men take a polygraph test right before they signed the marriage certificate. If the clerk asks "Do you really want to get married?" and the lie detector goes crazy, no marriage for you! I feel that would probably cut down on some frivilous holy matrimony.

And furthermore, isn't marriage, at it's core, a religious ceremony? If the government is going to dabble in religious ceremonies, why not make it illegal for gay 13 year old Jewish kids from getting a Bar Mitzvah? Wouldn't that be protecting the sanctity of Bar Mitzvahs? For God's sake, we don't want any circumsized gay Jews running around! Oy, the humanity! Only straight Jewish kids have the God-given right to rid themselves of the evil of foreskin.

But then again, we don't have any orthodox, homophobic Jews pulling on the reins of power in Washington, so they can't enforce their will on the people.

Save the fundamentalism for Iran.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:47 AM
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1. the homophobe went too far
He's declared war on what is demographically speaking 1/10th of the population.

By declaring no separation between state and church, as god "he" says... like he has, will put all of secular american life polarized even further as he widens the mark of who must wear the star of david in this neoconzi america.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:55 AM
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2. It was as backwards as when Strom Thurmond
declared that there was no way the federal governement could make the Southerners accept the black man into his schools, churches, and swimming pools.

History will show Bush to be an ignorant ass.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:03 AM
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8. But beds...
Someone puhleeeze OUT the *dimwit dauphin, BIG TIME. Normaleweise, I am a strict opponent of such nasty shenanigans, however, in THIS case...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:01 AM
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3. "you have a pretty face"
he said to the much younger man...
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:08 AM
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4. How about have women take the same test?
Or don't women get cold feet and unhappy in a marriage? Men are the only ones responsible for failed marraiges? I guess in lesbian relationships only the Bull-Dykes are responsible for the failed relationship then. Gee...that's kind of a sexist opinion.

If you really want to add some "sanctity" back to the marriage issue get these crap shows like "My Fat Fiance" off the freakin air.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:19 AM
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6. Didn't you know...
that women are perfect in every way and NEVER EVER to blame. ;-)
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:25 AM
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7. can't do that.
if we made women take the test as well, how would divorce lawyers feed their kids?

think of the children!
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:04 AM
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9. I personally think...
...you should have to take a test before you are given a license to breed. Prior to that everyone gets a reversible sterilization when they hit puberty. Solve several problems in one draconian move.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 11:07 AM
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10. I am constantly amazed...
at the number of these things you and I agree on. The older my teenage niece gets the more I support that mandatory reversible sterilization thing. :-)
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:16 AM
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5. Why is there no amendment preventing drunks from marrying?
Seems to me that drunks are a big threat to the "sanctity of marriage." Bush would never have been able to marry Laura until he got his act together. Wonder what he'd think of that plan.

And furthermore, isn't marriage, at it's core, a religious ceremony?

I think of marriage as a civil ceremony. The religious ministers need to have that "power vested in me by the state" in order to make the marriages that they perform be legal and recognized. OTOH, no one absolutely must be married in a place of worship for their marriage to be legal. The local courthouse works just fine.

Bush wants to protect the sanctity of marriage by keeping two people who love each other from getting married? Doesn't make much sense to me.

That's the problem. Bush assumes some sort of "sanctity" for marriage. I wonder how he would define that "sanctity." The commitment in a marriage comes from the couple. That's what gives marriage its legal status and importance... the fact that a couple intends to form a permanent, new household. Is Bush defending the "sanctity" of Brittney Spears' marriage?

Bush wants to protect the sanctity of marriage by keeping two people who love each other from getting married? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Nor to me, but we are dealing with centuries of a stereotype of marriage that, while it is mostly a cultural stereotype, is deeply rooted in cultural beliefs. Not every culture views a marriage in the same way that most Americans view it, especially with all the religious overtones. In some cultures, it's more like a property transaction in which a man buys the services of a wife, or two or three of them. In other cultures, the women have the upper hand and if the man doesn't please her she can dump his belongings on the front stoop and there you go... end of marriage.

In the past, some people in the U.S. have decided that some people are not quite as equal as others... women, immigrants, Jews, blacks, and so on. When there is a critical mass of folks who believe otherwise... that all of us are created equal including women, immigrants, Jews, blacks, and so on, we get an amendment to the Constitution that sets things out clearly. All Americans are better because of the amendments that extended voting rights to women and ended the institution of slavery and because of laws that ended prejudice and discrimination. What Bush is up to is an attempt to forestall that natural, moral process and progress by proposing an amendment that would do exactly the opposite of what we have done throughout our history as a nation. In the past, we have recognized our errors and have affirmed the equality of all persons, becoming more inclusive with each amendment. Bush would write our errors vis a vis people who are homosexual in stone, eliminating the possibility of progress and more inclusiveness and, in the end, a better life for all of us. That sort of thing must be stopped.

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