McCain on FOX Ha! This is Surreal!

[jokerman93]

Senator McCain is on FOX now. Basically calling Bushco a fraud playing shell games.

He deeply regrets what has happened to the Republican party.

He's frustrated and speaking up. Lindsay Graham, Sen Snell, Sen Hagle, some...are in sympathy with him...


Heritage Foundation has been very critical.

Poor grades "C or something like this" on SOTU...

[proud patriot]

1. I saw McCain speaking live on the Senate Floor today

I've never seen him so pissed .

[blm]

3. I think he's preparing to go independent.

I can see him throwing support to Kerry at some point.

[aldian159]

36. McCain is a Republican, Bush is a Neo-con

big difference.

I don't think Barry Goldwater, you're typical republican, would be a Bush supporter. Barry was pro-states rights, andti-government spending and pro-choice. (He said it was up to the states, the FG had no imput. He didn't favor banning it on a federal level.)

Republicans believe in small government and tax cuts (across the board. Really) and are huge state's rights guys.

Neo-Cons believe in...well, you know.

Typical Republicans like McCain are tolerable. Neo-cons are not.

That being said, I was born a Chicago Democrat to two Chicago Democrat parents, and plan to die a Chicago Democrat (at least until the damn winters and horrid sports teams force me out).

[Josh]

53. Goldwater said during the 90's, "Clinton is my president"

because he was shocked at what the Republican party had become.

[tom_paine]

56. He also told the Busheviks on his deathbed

(Gingrich, DeLay et al)

"Do not in the future associate my name with anything you do. You have hurt the Republican Party far worse than the Democrats ever could."
--Barry Goldwater

Now there was a TRUE CONSERVATIVE. A man you could disagree with and respect at the end of the day. Like McCain.

No Imperial Bootlicker he, like so much of the Imperial Senate and Imperial Congress.

[Old and In the Way]

37. A beautiful thing would be to see enough Republicans moved to the

Independent column in both House and Senate. Then maybe we'd see the arrogant Republican leaders start to sweat a bit.

[Rockholm]

59. Independent or perhaps....Switch to Dem...how about Kerry/McCain? or

Dean/McCain, Edwards/McCain...The Pukes would go BALLISTIC. Why is it that Dems go Puke but not the other way around. Dear John McCain, SWITCH PARTIES!!!!!

[T Bone]

4. RUN JOHN RUN

get in the GOP primaries now !!

(I like to stir the pot)

[onecitizen]

46. That was my first thought too BUT.......

McCain would probably win (Presidential election) and no matter how great people think McCain is, he's still a Repuke. We don't need anymore of them squatting in the WH.

[blondeatlast]

50. He wouldn't have a chance, and even he knows it.

But it would tone down *s rhetoric quite a bit.

[blondeatlast]

49. I think it would make the pRez sweat bullets, ya know?

[BeyondGeography]

2. The Incumbent Protection Act of 2004

another great McCain line, from today's hearings.

[proud patriot]

8. that was a great soundbite

:D

[qanda]

5. Dean on FOX?????

I'm confused.... :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[jokerman93]

10. you're not confused! I am! n/t

[jokerman93]

6. Could this be revolution?

I wonder whether this might be the first rumblings of the next Republican revolution to take their party back from the extremists?

[patricia92243]

7. Mc Cain, please, please, please run as an independent - so Dems will win

[KissMyAsscroft]

9. Fuck McCain....

Is he really this stupid? Is this really that surprising or was he dropped on his head when he was a kid?

Any of us here could predict GW was going to do this. He wants to bankrupt the country for strategic reasons. It's not like this is some accident or something.

McCain knows what is going on. He is complicit for not speaking up years ago.

Fuck Him.

[bhunt70]

11. trying to run against him was a good first step.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

12. "bankrupt the country for strategic reasons" - what are they?

I'm mystified, as it appears McCain is. I really don't understand why bush & the republican Congress and Senate seem unfazed. If he gets re-elected won't this all come home to roost before his term is up?

[KissMyAsscroft]

14. So he can...

say...whoops we're out of money!!! Time to eliminate Social Security, Medicare and all of those other giveaways..(which McCain wants more than anything)

And it also keeps the workforce desperate and cheap.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

27. wouldn't work

wouldn't we just get rid of the rainforest in Iowa and abstinance boot camp and all that other crap that we just signed on for? I really don't understand what's changed from the days when the repubs were conservative in the sense of wanting to make govt smaller and cheaper.

[gate of the sun]

43. Destroy your country so you can get

rid of Social Security????Sounds like a madman.

[ewagner]

15. Grover Norquist

said in an interview that the goal of the Taxpayers Party (I think that's the name of his organization) which is very close to Karl Rove, was to cut revenues (taxes) and increase spending so that there wouldn't be anything left for social programs (including Social Security) His quote was that their goal is to shrink government down small enough to "drown it in a bathtub".

That's the conservative strategy.

[KissMyAsscroft]

17. Bingo ewagner!!! We have a winner!

Bush knows excactly what he is doing. This manufactured outrage is all part of the plan, and McCain knows it.

[jokerman93]

20. That's about the silliest strategy I ever heard n/t

[KissMyAsscroft]

26. obviously you have a hard time with reality jokerman2004

Hypothetical situation...

We are in a budget crisis, and one thing HAS to go....MILITARY, SS, or MEDICARE.......which is it?

This is their plan. Google Grover Norquist and read his views. That is this admninistration's plan and you obviously need to wake the hell up.

[jokerman93]

34. The theory is pretty obvious KMA

But what's apparently not obvious to the neocons is that privatizing all functions of government isn't likely to happen in the real world. They'll self destruct in any number of ways before they can successfully shift the paradigm from nation state to corporate nation.

Just keep watching. The plan is inherently self destructive.

[Ilsa]

33. I think that is exactly what they want to do.

They want to blow the budget to eventually starve the programs. What's worse, it will probably fall on the heads of the Democratics to try and balance this mess.

[Stephanie]

38. Here's his interview with Bill Moyers, with the quote you cite

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_norquist.html

[Frances]

13. How old are you?

In 2000 (only 4 years ago) McCain did his best to defeat Bush in the Republican primaries. He was doing well until South Carolina when the Bushites made all of these phone calls saying McCain had a black lovechild. (So ironic because South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond really did have a black lovechild while McCain and his wife had adopted a dark-skinned child at the request of Mother Theresa.)

[KissMyAsscroft]

16. And McCain is more conservative than Bush

Why is it a good thing that he almost won?

He wants to ELIMINATE SS, Medicare, was FOR the Iraq invasion and supports Repubs on almost every issue.

Why does anyone here like McCain? Campaign Finance Reform? Are you kidding? In a lot of ways he is far worse than Bush.


**on edit...oh Im sorry Frances...he has a child of color. That makes it all better. And Bush has a black women in his cabinet. God some people here are such suckers.

[adamrsilva]

21. At least McCain is a good man who stands up for what he believes

and is a REAL war hero, not like Bush. And McCain has stood up for more than campaign finance reform. Global warming would be a recent one.

[KissMyAsscroft]

29. Wow he stood up for an issue that doesn't mean anything.

And he has a black child so hey..it's ok that he wants to ELIMINATE SS, MEDICARE, AND ANY OTHER SOCIAL PROGRAM, and WANTED TO INVADE IRAQ REGARDLESS OF WMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I say "doesn't mean anything" regarding global warming I don't mean that it isn't real, it just means that it is an issue which little can be lost with politcal support of. Bascially he doesn't have to do anything to be "against" global warming. It's not like he put himself on the line for it.

It's like O'Reilly saying he is an independant and an environmentalist, its complete horseshit.

But hey, that black child is cute.

[madrchsod]

28. bush is not a republican

he`s an opportunist-

[pinkpops]

19. I don't like some of the things he says

but I believe he is sincere, never panders. Maybe I'm a fool.

[KissMyAsscroft]

22. yes you are a fool..

sorry to have to point that out.

You are being played.

[adamrsilva]

McCain always speaks against pork barrel/deficit spending

Where have you been?

[KissMyAsscroft]

31. No he doesn't!!!

His idea of cutting pork barrel spending is eliminating SS and Medicare. He has plenty of pet projects of his own in Arizona.

Wake up.

[blondeatlast]

51. I'm an AZian, enlighten me . . .

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

57. uhm.....

He did. Remember that whole 2000 Primary?

[lastknowngood]

18. Pretty sick people

when it takes a repg to give voice to the things the Democratic leadership should be bringing up.

[Dr Fate]

25. DEMS are bringing it up- McCain is just very popular w/ Independents...

...even some Liberals like him. If McCain is dressing down Bush, well that carries a little weight- people like McCain...

[lancdem]

23. What set him off?

The SOTU speech? Why now?

[madrchsod]

24. add the cato boys and girls..not happy at all

[calimary]

40. THAT is unbelievable. The think tank people are upset now?

And about McCain - what is appealing to many, about him, ESPECIALLY in comparison to bush is that the last thing you can call him is a chickenhawk. But I don't completely trust him. He IS, after all, an unrepentent republi-CON, he's very anti-choice, and apparently is right in step with that schmuck Grover Norquist on starving the government and cutting essential programs.


Besides, I cannot help but wonder, every time I see him, about how much of a sellout he is. When you consider how Rove and company treated him during the 2000 campaign, and the smear job they did on him, spreading rumors that he had fathered a mixed-race child out of wedlock (when it was an orphan he and his wife had adopted, from Pakistan, I believe). Considering this, I wonder how McCain in good faith can stand by bush and have his picture taken with him and support him like a Stepford Senator. I would think, if he had any balls, he'd continue his Senator stuff, but would never allow himself to be seen with bush, or take his phone calls, OR CAMPAIGN FOR HIM and stand by him and support him, just like everything was always so ducky between them and nothing untoward had happened.

If that shit had been done to me, about my child, I would NEVER speak to that person again, EVER EVER EVER. And I would never hesitate to tell anyone and everyone, forever more, why.

Party loyalty my ass. Some things just go WAY too far. And I don't ever recall hearing that either bush or Rove or anyone else apologized for this, or disavowed it.

[Mz Pip]

30. Doesn't matter

what McCain says now. At the end of the day he is always the loyal soldier. He will support the chimp, you can bet money on it.

I have given up putting any faith in John McCain to put forth any real energy to change the direction of the Republican Party. At the end of the day he always backs off. He talks the talk but won't walk the walk.

Just wait. He'll be on the podium with Bush the next time Bush comes to Arizona for a fundraiser. I've been burned too often expecting McCain to actually follow through in his "opposition" to Bush.


MzPip
:dem:

[KissMyAsscroft]

32. wow!!!! mzpip has a brain!!!!!

Thank you!!!

When will people here stop supporting this asshole who wants to destroy us!

[Old and In the Way]

41. Bear with us KissMyAsscroft.

Most of the people on this board only just recently fell off the turnip truck.

While I share your cynicism, I think a McCain speaking out against this administration will do nothing but help the Democrats. Nothing is more compelling to the undecideds than a respected politician who's willing to put country before Party. McCain gets it. If nothing else, it's opening a crack in what many perceive to be a monothlytic organization. I'd love to see these cracks end up cleaving the Party.....ousting the Bushwing (Big Oil/Religious Fundies) of the Republican Party would go a long way to healing this country, IMHO.

[nicktom]

44. I agree with you Old and in the way...

The fact that McCain is so vocal on national TV regarding Bush's economic proposals can only help our cause. I know for a fact that there are a lot of Republican/Conservatives that are totally mystified by shrub's spending.

I think McCain Carry's a lot of weight with traditional Conservatives. But I am concerned with his seemingly blind support when it comes to mid east decisions. I guess I will take what I can when it comes to installing an administration that will make me proud to say I am an American.

When traveling overseas it truly is embarrassing to represent America with this administration in charge.

McCain was a breath of fresh air tonight, for someone who rarely posts on here, it felt great.

Peace.

[Old and In the Way]

45. Welcome on board nicktom!

I do some traveling too. Back in the 90s, everyone knew Bill Clinton and he was an American hero to many that I met. Now, people politely ask me about George Bush with obvious concerns about our intentions. I don't think people realize how much a President can represent a country and there is no better contrast than in these 2 people.

Guys like McCain are critical about Dimson for the wrong reasons, IMHO. They want to have their Pax Americana and a balanced budget, social programs be damned. But I will settle for serious discord within the ranks...

[newyawker99]

55. Hi nicktom!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[October]

35. McCain despises Unions

Do not forget he is a republican through and through!

[RichV]

39. What would you think of McCain as Sec Def

under a Dem? It'd get him out of position to influence domestic policy, open his AZ seat for a possible Dem (with Napolitano able to appoint one!), and he wouldn't have the last word on defense matters since that's the president's job. He'd have a world of credibility though. Or maybe head the VA? I know some of you hate him altogether, but he's a dedicated public servant and I think it would be a big slap to the GOP if he joined our side or went indie.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

58. I've thought of this...

I think what we really need is some sort of unity ticket to get America back on track. The current cat and mouse game that is played here in Washington is a mockery of our Constitution. This is not what was intended and something drastic needs to be done to break the cycle.

[terrisel]

42. It's the Illegal worker thing.....Picture Fox news in Spanish

I think they realize that Bush and Rove have decided that the future for BFEE rule in America is going to depend on attracting Hispanic voters-and that jobs (off-camera and on-camera) at Republican Propaganda outlets will need to reflect that.

They know they are going to be pink-slipped (after training their replacements) if they keep following Bush.
The will have to look for work cleaning Wal-marts or on the chicken factory assembly lines-or do other work that the Newest New Republicans will (how many times are the Republicans going to re-invent themselves) no longer want to do.

I have been amazed at how the media has been able to resist the demographic changes in the US. So many of these media "news" people look like they were frozen in an iceberg sometime back in 1952 and then recently thawed to deliver the Republican Party propaganda.

They all look like they started out as Dick and Jane in the old readers, took a wrong turn, and grew up to be Katharine Harris and Oliver North.

Well I hope they have all paid off their college loans --it's hard to do that on chicken-plucking plant wages.

[wabeewoman]

47. Saw him on Jon Stewart last night..

He was very funny and scathing about the administration but said he was going to NH to campaign for bush and was voting for him. I didn't sense that part was a joke.

[blondeatlast]

48. He ripped * a new one on the Daily Show.

He's a pretty funny guy, too.

[fujiyama]

52. He's respectable...

as are Hagel, Chafee (Ok, he's hardly in step with the GOP), Collins, Snowe, and even Shelby of Al to some extent.

I respect McCain for serving his nation in combat and speaking out against what's wrong with this administration.

That's about all though. He really has sold out to a great extent. To campaign for someone after they spread such lies about you -- that's pretty pathetic.

Granted, he hardly seemed enthusiastic about it. I really can't imagine that he likes Bush...Or maybe he does, or maybe McCain is simply some kind of masochistic freak.

Either way, I simply can't understand him.

If he were to ever run as an independent, I think it would hurt democrats more than republicans though. He pissed a lot of ordinary lock in step republicans with that run last time. It made things much tougher for W than it was supposed to. Those people would vote for W in a heart beat over McCain.

A lot of people are captivated by his amazing story of being held at the Hanoi Hilton for five years. It definetely is impressive, and a lot of democrats would vote because of the media excitement, while not understanding he is pretty conservative on many issues.

Anyways, I think we can just say it's nice to have ANYONE attacking Bush!

[lcordero]

54. Oh please

Does Keating Five mean anything to you?

[Skittles]

60. all it takes is thousands and thousands of dead people

to wake McCain up ??? I'm disgusted.

[Zomby Woof]

61. sweet irony

McCain, one of my current senators, is more critical of Bush than either of the two Democratic senators in my former home state of Washington. Patty Murray gave her approval of that shitty spending bill yesterday. Neither her or Maria Cantwell are openly critical of Bush.

Welcome to Bizarro Amerika.

On edit: I vehemently disagree with McCain on two major issues - he is anti-choice (despite his own loathing for the Religious Right), AND he wants MORE troops in Iraq, because he thinks that will stabilize them sooner.

Considering what he endured in Vietnam, I am astounded at that latter sentiment.

[leesa]

62. But he will vote along with the GOP thugs EVERY time

This man is pure sleeze. I will never forget him laughing and saying "I hope this is not another Gulf of Tonkin" right before he voted to give the Fist Imbecile the right to invade any country he wanted for any reason he chose after 9-11, without any questions asked. This creature learned absolutely nothing from his capture and imprisonment. He is a traitor to our country.