Just heard a 'Log Cabin Republican' on MSNBC

[cally]

Basically said that Gays and Lesbian families should be denied basic civil rights. Oh OK, supported Bush on the ban on gay marriage. The spokesman looked like the typical Republicans they show on TV. Can anyone explain the Log Cabin Republicans? Why would they support this?

[soleft]

1. um....self loathing?

[Cleita]

2. Why are Condaleeza Rice and Colin Powell part of the consortium of evil.

Beats me.

[radwriter0555]

5. They sold their souls to the devil

it seems.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. I think it's because they believe they can make change from within.

At least that's what I believe about Colin. I think Connie is going to have an identity crisis before it's all over.

[Valjean]

19. They are overseers

Condaleeza Rice, Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas are like those turncoats that slave masters turn into overseers. It was always unfair for people to compare Judge Thomas to Uncle Tom. Rather, he is more akin to the slave overseers that the Louisana slave master TRIED to turn Uncle Tom into.

They are promised a seat at the table and prosperity as long as they turn their backs on their fellows in misery. BTW, the Repuglican blue bloods do this to white people too. These are the folks who always end up taking the fall when the Boss breaks the law. In this way the hierarchical establishment isn't that different from the mafia.

Isn't it so striking the difference between the Republicans of 92 and the Republicans of 2000. In 92' Clinton was constantly criticized for bringing minorities in his cabinet. Now the Republicans can't get enough of this. Unlike Clinton's minorities, they are agents of "the man". They are their to enrich their masters and keep everyone else "down".

Just notice how disarming it is when a policy that denies millions of Americans the right to overtime is announced by a pretty little asian lady (Chao). A women was placed in charge of cynically giving public resources to private concerns (Christy Todd Whitman). A black woman is put "in charge" of pillaging foreign nations (Condelleza Rice).

Of course Congress is just fine with all this as they were with "Judge" Thomas because they are "their minorities".

I know I've taken heat on other discussion boards. But I do think that minority groups should stand up vigorously on behalf of their fair place at the table of democracy. I just don't think that parties should place minority issues at the front of their platform. Rather these topics need to be reworded to address ALL people because poverty and oppression is by no means limited to African and Gay Americans.

There are LOTS of poor white people out their who have mostly the same sets of problems. The key is to attach your common cause to those folks and focus on shared interest. In that way, those unfortunates who have been conditioned to hate will see your shared humanity and will stop seeing these groups as a threat but rather allies.

[noiretextatique]

3. basically...they have other privileges

that they believe give them an edge, even as they sell out the "others." there is another, simplier way to say this...but i am sure you will figure it out. if not, take a stroll through the castro sometime, and tell me how many poor, black lesbians you see there.

[atreides1]

20. LCR = KAPO

Kind of like the KAPO's of the death camps, they sold out their own
people to get a few extra privileges. Maybe the LCR will sell out other Gays and Lesbians for the right price.

It seems that this country is looking the other way, and are allowing
laws based on discrimination to be passed. Now quick someone here tell
me how this does not parellel another period in time.

We better hope and pray that a Democrat wins the election, or more laws based on discrimination will be passed, and don't count on the
cowardly sheep to do or say anything.

All we do here is go Blah, Blah , Blah. Guess what folks all the talk
isn't working. The Ohio legislature just passed a law not only denying
benefits to the partners of gay state workers, but also to the domestic partners of heterosexual state workers. In other words if you're not married, you get bupkis when your other half dies, and if you're gay it's guaranteed that you will get nothing.

Give them enough time and I'm sure that some state legislature will
find a way to make indentured servitude legal. But everyonbe here will still be going Blah, Blah, Blah!!!!!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

28. Thank you!

I was reading this post outloud to my co-worker sitting with me (who is a lesbian) and I posed the rhetorical question, "Are money and guns enough to make a homosexual sell out the rest of his family?"

The LCR all seem to be about the $$$. If you're white, you have the $$$ and are gay -- for some -- you don't NEED anything else...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. I thought that wasn't the official Log Cabin line

And no, I can't explain it anymore than I can explain anyone advocating any form of discrimination.

[cally]

9. I don't know what the official line is

I just heard this one man who said he spoke for the Log Cabin Republicans. :shrug:

[tom_paine]

10. Fascists in the 30s used to talk about "the fruitful inequalities of life"

I believe their spiritual inheritors, the Busheviks, very much believe the same philosphy (minus the overt racism, which is covert)

[rman]

21. would the modern day incarnation of that philosophy be

"Those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality, and that there is only one natural right, the right of the superior to rule over the inferior"
- Leo Strauss, fascist/neocon philosopher (teacher of Wolfowitz, for one)

It's pretty darn inequal, and fruitful for the neocons and whoever it is that hang with them, or that they hang with.

[pmbryant]

6. They want their tax cuts for the wealthy?

No idea, other than money goes a long way towards soothing their pain.

:shrug:

--Peter

[monobrau]

7. self loathing?

Wouldn't the existence of these people support the notion that sexual preference isn't a choice?
Not that I would deny rights to people who would make those choices, but that seems to be the argument of a lot of conservotards.

[Q3JR4]

8. I've always wondered

WHY we even have log cabin republicans. It doesn't make sense to me. It's like an African American man, a Mexican woman, or a poor white guy voting for them. It isn't in their best interests. How can they vote for someone like that? It's mind boggling to me.


:shrug:

[CO Liberal]

15. It's Like "Lesbians for Buchanan"

A fake group Paula Poundstone made reference to when doing reports from the GOP COnvention a few years back for Jay Leno.

[Benhurst]

26. To say nothing of the thousands (millions?) of poor, white

Southerners who support the Repubs even though they are shipping their jobs out of the country. :shrug:

[terrya]

11. Last summer, at Halsted Days here in Chicago....

The local chapter of the LCR had a booth there.

I saw it, went over, and asked one of the guys there, not to be belligerent or anything, how Bush can be good for the gay community. He said that they were adopting a "wait and see" attitude.

The sad thing is, I think they're still waiting.

Terry

[salinen]

13. Not only self loathing in a nationalistic sense

but on a biblical sense as well.

[atreides1]

17. Correct Me

But didn't another group of people adopt that same attitude in Germany.

Just thought I'd ask.

[terrya]

22. Um, yeah. You're right.

Maybe if some of the LCR's were to study some history...

Terry

[mdmc]

14. because they can

different strokes for different folks!

[Devlzown]

16. There's idiotic gay people, too.

I'm glad they're a small minority but unfortunately, they get an inordinate amount of press.

[cosmicdot]

18. did they have to hunt down a dyed-in-the-wool LCR'er to goose-step?

wonder who it was???

a wait-n-see policy
bwhahahahahahaha

but, it's really not funny ... very tragic, actually

[Bridget Burke]

23. For those with enough money, Gay marriage may not be.....

so important.

After all, if you've got an attorney & good financial advice, things like "power of attorney" & estate planning can substitute for the legal advantages of marriage. If immigration help is needed, there are lawyers who can expedite those matters--for a price. And, above a certain income level, enrollment on a spouse's medical policy is not really important. Tax breaks for married folks? Well, a good accountant can minimize the bite--especially as long as Republicans are in power & pushing tax cuts for the "right people".

Compare to the het couple who have a few too many drinks in Vegas & drop by the Elvis chapel. Bingo! Instant legal standing. Tax breaks, immigration help, etc. Whoever's got the better job can drop by Human Resources & add the other one; it's not free, but cheaper than buying an individual policy.

Self respect? Let's just concentrate on those tax breaks.

[Cannikin]

24. I have to say, he said a few good things

He stuck it to Bush pretty good (insert joke here). He said if Bush wants to defend marriage, he should ban divorse and infidelity, along with 24 hour marriage chapels in Los Vegas. hehe

[Bridget Burke]

25. Good!

There's always hope.

[mitchum]

30. That is a very insightful and accurate post

a far more measured and penetrating analysis than my flippant remark
Well done

[xchrom]

27. identity

what would these people be if gay sex weren't wrong?
they would have nothing.
that's why the sexual revolution isn't really over -- the fine points are now being fought in courts of law and that's what is making the repukes so desperate -- in a court of law given a truly fair judge -- gay folk and gay friendly folk stand way better than a 50/50 chance.

[mitchum]

29. Since rent boys are expensive, LCR want to hold onto as much...

of their money as possible. Why pay taxes with money they could use for trade?