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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:03 PM
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Ominous Developments
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 09:04 PM by Beetwasher
There have been a couple of subtly ominous developments in the past week or so IMO.

The first being a largely overlooked aspect of the Chimps SOTU speech. Most people agree that it was a dud and expected this speech to be his opening salvo in the campaign however, they also expected that for the campaign the admin. would at least make an effort to appear as though they were swinging back towards the middle and were going to run as seemingly moderate. This was not the case. As everyone now knows the speech was anything but a sign of moderation.

The other obvious thing that is troubling is Cheney and Scalia's blatant impropriety in going on a hunting trip together.

Both of these things taken together give me a very ominous feeling that they just don't even care about appearances anymore. They are not even trying to appear moderate or scrupulous. It could be that they just plain screwed up or there could be more sinister reasons, such as, the don't care or are not the least bit concerned about the election. I find this troubling for obvious reasons.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:06 PM
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1. I wouldn't be surprised if
the retrievers used to fetch the dead ducks were supplied by Diebold.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:06 PM
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2. Two senators filed an ethics complaint about the hunting trip.
I think one of them was Leahy but I don't remember the other's name. They filed a complaint with Rehnquist about the impropriety of the association of a justice with a litigant.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:10 PM
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13. scalia said no one can question his impartiality
which is true, of course.

he is not impartial in the least, no question about it.
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:34 AM
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37. Yes, but Rehnquist told them to f*** off. Write to SCOTUS here
Substantive questions should be directed, in writing, to the Public Information Officer, Supreme Court of the United States, Washington, DC 20543.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/publicinfo/comments.html

I did not find an email address for SCOTUS.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:09 PM
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3. I think the * team is letting the media smear all the Dem candidates
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 09:13 PM by RandomKoolzip
for them right now. There is so much play in the news about Dean, Kerry, Clark, etc. that lots of negatives by which the Dems can hang themselves, in the view of the soft right, have arisen; Dean's scream, Clark's "deserter" assertion (even if it's true!), etc. Meanwhile, * and co. are off in the shadows, reminding the base that they're still in charge, and that they got the topics thay care about under control.....it's not so much that they're letting appearances slip as they're letting the mainstream media do their smear-work for them, while they go back to the castle and plot. It's sleight of hand.
If the media focuses enough on the faults of the Dem candidates, they'll be too busy to cover the REAL shit going on.


Although, it is unsettlin that they're getting sloppy enough to NOT keep the duck huntin' trip under wraps.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:16 PM
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4. I've had the same feelings for awhile now
Their blatant disregard is worrisome. Now that they've looted the Treasury and given away all the money for at least 2 generations, to themselves and fellow thieves, they are acting like they are untouchable.

I'm wondering if they really even care about winning in Nov. - whoever inherits this mess will get the blame.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:25 PM
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6. I think so too...
... sometimes I wonder if we really want a Dem candidate to win, because a lot of bs is going to start showing its face in a few years.

If it weren't for the Supreme Court and the possibility of DimSon putting an idealogue on it, I could care less if a Dem gets elected right now.

Also, there is a school of thought that says "lets give the Repubs a little more rope, too many Americans haven't figured out their game yet" :)
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:24 AM
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30. That is exactly how I felt in 1992
I figured any Democrat to want to inherit the mess we were in was seriously unstable. Then Clinton showed us what he was made of and I had new hope in America and getting our financial house in order. I suppose it could happen again.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:20 PM
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5. Power and arrogance are synergistic. And knowing how to keep the cycle
going is a specialty of Rove, Cheney, Asscrack and that gang of thugs.
Put -anything- past them at your peril.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:28 PM
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7. This was covered in a Pakistani article I just read
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 09:28 PM by Robbien
It was talking about Cheney, Halliburton and the SoTU. This statement stood out

If the policy of ‘laissez-faire’ is allowed to continue by the US media and the people at large, the protagonists of deception may envision a future when they no longer have to hide their agenda

Is that future here now?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:33 PM
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8. they are going to steal the election
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 09:35 PM by Skittles
just like with the midterms, Bush will go on a frenzied tour to tout his "accomplishments" and spend $200 million, all in the effort to make it appear like they did NOT steal the election. It worked last time and now with Ahnold in their corner and Jeb still in Florida and BBV combined with the corporate media and Scalia's corrupt court - they know they cannot "lose".
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:40 PM
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9. why hide their crimes
when the media INSISTS on ignoring all impropriety.
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Gingersnap Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:48 PM
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10. great minds think alike
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 09:51 PM by Gingersnap
Mr. Gingersnap and I talked about this last night. I too think that they have given up appearances. They still will make it look like they are trying to run a campaign until either we are "attacked" by terrorists and martial law is instated or until the election is fixed with BBV. Either way, I don't think they're bothering to cover their asses anymore. I don't think they want to give up power. THey can raise taxes during the second term in order to have money for more oil wars and to go for total world domination.

God, I sound like a tin-foil hatter, but I think this is what our government has come to.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 09:53 AM
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26. Terror or Vote Rigging
Or both for that matter. That's what I was thinking...
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:49 PM
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11. On the other hand,
because of the SOTU, I've been hearing a lot more negativity against the Chimp than ever before in my own area and in my circle, especially from the repukes I know, and the independents. People seem to finally be waking up. Whether or not that will hold, I don't know, but I find that encouraging.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 09:50 PM
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12. Maybe they plan on dissappearing in plane crashes, getting
makeovers, dumping their family shit. Maybe start new lives. They can then sit back with a big screen TV and endless lines of coke and cruise until the grim reaper comes calling.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:59 AM
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33. Could explain WHY
they're so anxious to get to Mars or the Moon.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:15 PM
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14. they've NEVER kept any of this stuff secret
the people in the know all know. top democrats, media type, etc. washington. they all know about all of bush's dirty secrets.

it's just that they all have either a fear-based or greed-based vested interest in keeping it all on the back-burning.

everyone in washington knows there's enough dirt to bring down the whole house of cards if it came to light.

it's just that know one has the power to expose it without having their career ruined, or worse.


in fact, the fact that he has this stuff out there that no one has the power to fry him on is AN IMPORTANT PART of the intimidation factor. because it makes people think that they are effective at threatening and delivering on the threats.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:32 PM
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17. No one, but...
it's just that know one has the power to expose it without having their career ruined, or worse.

If all the people with the stories would unite, it wouldn't be just one person sticking their own neck out from the crowd and making himself a target. It would be the crowd... all together.

The revelations are reaching that level of critical mass these days.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:22 PM
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15. Bush's latest poll numbers means Bushco has to take action.
Bush's latest poll numbers means Bushco has to take action. What that action will be is anybody's guess.

Bushco will not take their chances with Bush's polling numbers being as low as they are now. Too much is at stake for them to put their fate in the hands of the people.

Expect something.

:scared:
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:12 AM
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22. Bush is too numnuts and arrogant
to press the flesh, so he's got to rely on the Machine to fix it.

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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:32 PM
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16. Yeah, I agree...
The way they behave, it's almost as though they know they're not going to have to win any lousy election, somehow...like the fix is in.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:35 PM
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18. I'll opt for the more sinister reason because I've been
feeling this for awhile that they have taken over and there is nothing we can do about it. The election will be a sham again and I hope whoever our candidate is that he takes precautions not to get involved in an "accident".

Men who have no scruples and who are power mad and money hungry will do anything it takes to stay in power.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 10:44 PM
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19. either the fix is in or there will be a dark horse puppet candidate
in the 11th hour.

And there is a lot to be said for the theory that they have taken so much that the country is now f.u.b.a.r. and they really aren't interested in running things. I recall my ol mom back in '88 sayin she sorta hoped G.H.W.Bush won cuz he deserved to inherit the disaster the Reagan administration made of things and she didn't want to see a Dem have to take the flack for it.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:14 AM
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31. I might get flamed for this but......
I think Kerry is their man.
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:13 AM
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34. Kerry
Well, let's see: long term Senator, consummate political insider, married to corporate America, has gone to bat for corporate interests and Chimp's war. If it looks and quacks like a duck.....
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:15 AM
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35. He's not their man
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 03:17 AM by juajen
He has attempted to pull down their house of cards before, and he will again, if elected. Have you never heard of the BCCI? I like Kerry. He has guts. Try informing yourself about the trial in the docks in London and Kerry's part in same concerning the BCCI.

On edit: While I like him, I support Clark/Kucinich.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 11:56 PM
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20. They mock us...
openly because they have won.
You are correct, there is no longer a need
for "keeping up appearnaces."
Our government has been over thrown by
multinational corporatists and we are now at their mercy.
They control our banks, our military and all aspects
of our country.
Bush will be re-selected, and if not him, someone
much worse who will pull out all the stops.
Frankly, I am scared at what is possible now
that they have their Homeland Insecurity, unPatriot Act
and the fanatical hate mongering jack boot x-tians
ready to roll.
I agree with you completely.
The hunting trip and the blatant message that they
could care a less about the perception of such an outrageous
slap to the integrity of our judicial system is the behavior
of men who fear NO opposition to their power or abuse.

WE be screwed.
BHN
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:04 AM
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21. Oniell said they can do whatever they want and usually get away with it.
Because they know the voters just don't care.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:16 AM
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23. I thought at the time that the look on Bush's face throughout the SOTU...
indicated that he was a man who knew he had not a worry in the world. All would be taken care of, as it has always been for him. Cheney, sitting behind him, was smug in the knowledge that all had been accomplished -- that what I let myself believe in my darkest moments is true -- that by controlling the mass media, and all three branches of our government, especially the judicial, they have us in an iron grip that we may never escape.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:20 AM
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24. I hope not, but I see it, too
they have to take a HUGE hit before the summer to make it impossible

I shudder and wonder how far BBV goes, how much Arnold the Nazi is doing in Cali.

Florida is a write off

keep on, we must keep on fighting
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 12:23 AM
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25. Try this theory on for size. Let's assume that...
...a "terrorist attack" takes place in some major U. S. city this coming summer.

How would the NeoCon Junta react to such an event?

Would they declare martial law and postpone the 2004 elections indefinitely until America was once again safe?

You bet they would.

IMHO, it's already been planned. IMHO, so was 911.

Read this article and see what you then think about 911 and any future "terrorist events":

OPERATION NORTHWOODS

<http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html>

<http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/>

<http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html>

<http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/northwoods.htm>

...and for comparative purposes...

Operation Cyclone

<http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/cyclone.htm>

Gulf of Tonkin

<http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/tonkin.htm>

Pearl Harbor

<http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/pearl_harbor.htm>

Battleship Maine

<http://www.spanamwar.com/maine.htm>

The Reichstag fire of 1933

<http://idid.essortment.com/nazireichstag_rghx.htm>

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 09:59 AM
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27. UPDATE: Now it Seems the Let Cheney Out of His Coffin
Cheney Is a Silent Partner No Longer
Increased Visibility Intended to Bolster Bush's Image

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47467-2004Jan25.html?nav=hptop_tb

I don't buy the spin on this that it's to bolster Bush's image. Cheney's a liability, that's why he's been hiding. Now it seems, they don't care. He's taunting the opposition.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 10:55 AM
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28. Their arrogance will be their downfall.
This administration is so smugly arrogant that they will make some serious mistakes.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-04 11:14 AM
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29. I thought Bush was appealing to his base in the SOTU. That shows weakness
Bush should not have to be worrying about his base at this point in an election year. As for Cheney and Scalia, they are criminals and can be expected to behave as such.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 02:46 AM
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32. Diebold n/t
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:26 AM
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36. These aren't new developments
They made quite clear they didn't care about propriety when they successful and obviously did an end run around the sanctity of our electoral process...that was back in 2000. They have continued with the same brash methodology since then. Nothing has changed...quite the contrary...there approach is predictable and consistent.

RC
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