FReepers: Rape OK in the military

[Faygo Kid]

Forgive me for visiting "that site," but I truly believe it to be what has become the GOP mainstream. Still, this one is over the top; I don't know what to make of it. Very disturbing. Seems to me to say that women who volunteer in our Armed Forces are "asking" for it, and deserve it - it being rape. How low can they go? Please check this thread out, and the responses, and tell me I am wrong. Chilling.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064909/posts

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. There is an obvious contempt for anyone on that board who defends...

the victims.

FReepers are facsists and thugs just like the Republican Party they belong too.

:puke:

[Paragon]

2. Yeah, I saw that, too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1054812

[Faygo Kid]

3. Thank you. Didn't know it was referred to. But still. . .

My God, all DUers - and all Americans - should know what the Bush worshippers at FR are saying about this! It can't be posted enough! Thanks.

[citizen snips]

4. They have said some disgusting stuff.

To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
**Rape is not just about power, its also about sex. **
Rape is about violence. Men of honor do not rape.


51 posted on 01/25/2004 9:56:52 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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How do they know that men of honor do not rape?

[alcuno]

5. Send a link to Sean Hannity.

Remember how he was going on because someone here posted something about the troops being murderers? He was outraged. Wonder if he would have similar outrage? No, I don't.

[jonoboy]

6. I was genuinley shocked by the attitudes on there. Sickening.

with out an ounce of evidence the women were blamed and not surprisingly, Clinton.

[veganwitch]

8. yeah!!!

what the fuck does clinton have to do with this?? i wasnt sure on that.

[Terran]

7. Get real.

FR is no more the Republican mainstream than we are the Democratic mainstream.

[Faygo Kid]

10. Bull. With all due respect, of course.

Been following it since 1998, and the GOP mainstream has moved so far (I was going to say Right, but that's not accurate - how about Radical?) that the BushBots have a home at FR. No one would have believed, when GWB took office in early 2001, that this radical cabal would have taken over. Good God. This gang has gone far beyond where FR was when Bush was "elected." The GOP mainstream has moved, my friend. And it has moved way beyond where the Right once was.

[Terran]

49. Excuse the tardy reply

I'm sorry, I don't believe that, particularly with reference to this specific subject--FR posters condoning rape. Do you actually believe it's within the mainstream of the Republican Party to condone rape? I find that ludicrous. You are mistaking what you hear on the news for what average people actually think and do. You are confusing what Tom Delay and George Bush say with what real people in small towns and communities say.

The mainstream hasn't changed; the extremist elements have gained a louder voice and and control more of the central operations of the party. I live in a place that is majority Republican, and I know many people here who are Republican. Very very few of them could be considered anything close to the type that haunts Free Republic. If they even support Bush anymore, they do so out of ignorance, and also because they have long family traditions of supporting Republicans, regardless of who they are.

As individuals, I know Republicans here who are good people, even though they could use some enlightenment on some issues. They are not evil; some them give tons of money to charity, local charities that help the poor and prevent homelessness. And they would be appalled to think they were being compared to the crazies who lurk at FR.

Dirk

[Occulus]

51. I don't know about that.

Every Republican I've ever known has personally fucked me over in one way or another. Deliberately, no less.

[DS1]

11. I agree

but it's still fun!

[Faygo Kid]

16. And the "fun" about that post would be. . .?

OK, just asking. Don't see the "fun" here. The Lounge is where I go for fun. Can you elaborate about the "fun" about this?

[DS1]

25. Well, Pilgrim

All of DU is fun, not one particular post/forum, do you have your thumb screws on when you post here?

[Faygo Kid]

29. Yeah. I do.

When I go to DU Lounge, I have fun. On this subject, I am not kidding around. My question to you stands.

[DS1]

35. Stands where? I've already answered it.

If you don't get it, that's your problem. I'm talking about DU as an entire entity, not this particular thread. If you have to continue focusing on a single thread, be my guest.

[Faygo Kid]

39. Enjoy your fun. Some of DU is for fun; some is not.

Hey, I have been on a thread about television in the DU Lounge tonight. That's fun. This thread is serious. DU is not "an entire entity;" it is a wide ranging forum. This is a singular thread. And you have not made one comment about the substance of what was posted on this single thread, the only one I and the other posters to it are focusing on at the time we respond. If you have anything substantive to contribute, be my guest.

[DS1]

43. Oh oh oh! Let me line up to comment on FReepers

as if there aren't enough about them already.

Keep fighting the good fight, commenting on messageboards about other messageboards makes a world of difference, you know.

[Faygo Kid]

44. Know thy enemy. The subject was important, and revealing.

Still waiting for a substantive quote from you about the subject of this thread. Obviously not going to get it from you, this time; you would rather hammer the messenger. He can take it. We will cross swords again.

[DS1]

45. Hammer the messenger?

I've said nothing about you.

[Skittles]

12. I beg to differ

the republicans I know have open contempt for women, minorities, immigrants, the poor, anything not white American male. IT IS representative of republican mainstream.

[jbm]

9. geeeezzzz....

and they're blaming Bill Clinton! I know mine is not a popular stance here,but I know from experience that women getting raped in the military and the military strongly discouraging any kind of complaints from the victims has been going on for many,many years.

I remember Pat Schroeder saying once that the number of letters she had received from women in the military begging her for help would completely fill a room from floor to ceiling. I don't doubt Pat Schroeder probably DID try to help,but apparently she wasn't successful.

After tailhook they had a number for women to call if they'd been raped in the military,and I remember them saying that the phone rang non-stop for weeks,and that women who had served as far back as WW2 were calling in with their stories,but nothing really came of it all. Apparently it's still not something society is fully prepared to deal with. Don't underestimate the strength of the women though. If nothing else the military gives people a certain strength and perspective,and those women will be strong enough to handle whatever comes their way.

[brainwashed_youth]

13. now i know why I'm not a republican

because of the horrible people like these. A bunch of fascist, kkkristian(no offense to the real christians on here), sexist, homophobic, motherfuckers.

[veganwitch]

14. thinking again...

i think its kinda hypocritical to say how horrible the freepers are when there are plenty of fellas (and, no, i cant give you names, but i remember threads) that said rapes were bullshit and complaining that no guy can have sex without being accused of rape etc.

[Faygo Kid]

20. Does that make it OK? I'm a "hypocrite?"

Not sure who you are talking about. Or even what your point is. We are not to criticize this kind of horrendous point of view, or even note it here? I am a 52 year old Dad with a 27 year old feminist daughter. What are you saying? I can't speak to this outrage without being accused of hypocrisy? Sounds like McCarthyism.

[Skittles]

27. faygokid, what is being referred to

are previous threads on the DU that have sadly brought out some pretty neanderthal garbage from men on the DU who think of themselves as "enlightened". The posts that stand out in my mind concerned the young lady who has accused Kobe Bryant of rape. I actually recall a comment basically saying if she suffers from any kind of mental problem, well, the rape charge should just be thrown out. It was quite sickening to read.

[Faygo Kid]

31. Maybe I took it too personally, Skittles.

If you reread it, I think you can see why. Still, your point is well taken. I think, after reading some of these responses, I can understand - this subject continues to not be taken seriously. Well, I do take it seriously, and that's why I posted it here. I'm in my 50s; maybe I am out of touch. Some truths, though, are eternal, and I will be damned if lack of respect for another human being will be trifled with on my watch - and joking about rape is about as bad as it gets. I am a father, a human being, and an American who takes all that stuff in the Declaration seriously. I am disappointed here, but maybe I needed the wakeup call. I got it through this post.

[Skittles]

37. what kills me about such posts at the FR and even here

is - do these guys have mothers? Sisters? Daughters? Female friends? Can they really despise women this much? It's almost inhuman, the thought that anyone could treat rape in such a cavalier manner. Sometimes I read jokes about prison rape - I don't find that a humorous subject either. I don't think you are taking it too personally at all - it is a very big problem.

[Faygo Kid]

41. Maybe we have ignored it for too long.

It's very personal for me; as a child in the '50s, my brother and I hid behind the couch when my father would come home drunk and beat the hell out of our mother - and we could do nothing to stop it. (Power, not sex). Thank God the neighbors called the cops. Later, I tried to be the best Dad I could to my daughter (now 27; think she thinks I'm OK). Been divorced twice, but both my exes are friends, and would vouch for my lack of nonviolence (probably vouch for my lack of judgement at times, too, which I readily admit). Anyone, rape is a crime of violence and control, not sex, and maybe I see it more clearly because of where I came from. My "dad" gave me the lesson about it the hard way. Other dads - and moms - have a responsibility to teach their sons; it is a lesson of right and wrong, period. The FReepers are hopeless, but to see it on DU - I am shocked. Old enough to be lots of posters' fathers, here, and if I were their fathers - well, the lesson would be made clear, from the time they were filling their diapers.

[RapidCreek]

47. You have a penis

Your opinion is not worthy. Men are all bad. Don't bother my friend...it's a frustrating pointless waste of time.

RC

[mike1963]

22. Well, DU is a community of almost 40,000 people. Find a town of that size

anywhere and there'll be some doofuses. Way more per capita, I'd bet.

[smirkymonkey]

15. Hey, I have an idea!

Let's begin a draft that recruits ONLY Freepers! Christian fundies don't rape right?? So they would be the ideal candidates for solving this problem in the military? Besides, they all love war and killing brown people so much, I think they might actually enjoy it. They can have first hand experience at killin' themselves a real live terraist, yee ha! <sarcasm off>

These people are filed with nothing but hate and bitterness - I only hope their private, personal hells are more painful and excruciating than I imagine them to be.

Fucktards! :grr:

[brainwashed_youth]

17. fucktards?

that's kind of a cool word. I'm gonna start saying that.

[smirkymonkey]

24. It's a DU classic!

I forgot who coined the original term, but I thought it was great and is now a permanent part of my cursing vocabulary :)

[Edge]

32. I remember who coined the term....

...it was Sting. Sting was....ahem...me. :) :D

I think I was talking about the capture of Saddam Hussein when I said that term. I started a thread on that in GD.

I guess it doesn't really matter who coined it. It still is a good word. :) :D :evilgrin:

[mykpart]

18. I personally know, thru volunteer work I do,

several women veterans who were raped in the service. They were strongly discouraged by the military from reporting it or seeking prosecution for the offenders. These women are still suffering from the after-effects many years later. They have the same PTSD symptoms as Viet Nam veterans. They also have encountered numerous problems in obtaining their medical records from the military and have experienced delays in receiving veterans benefits. This seems unbelievable, but I hear it over and over from women veterans.

[Faygo Kid]

21. Thank you. I posted this seriously; apparently, it's just fun.

Thank you for your insightful and helpful post. If I had known this thread would have been taken so lightly, I would never have posted it. I think this is serious, and scary, stuff. Maybe it's just because it's Sunday night. Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful post. Maybe we can trigger a dialogue elsewhere. An underreported story, to say the least.

[Skittles]

30. when I was in the military

I was cornered in an office by a guy who tried to feel me up. I grabbed the nearest object - a big giant stapler - and smashed him in the face with it. Broke his nose and several teeth. And guess what? He never bothered me again, proving that men indeed CAN "help themselves".

[BlueJazz]

34. Oh, Man..I would have loved to have seen that......

(shortly after you smashed him)

I could have popped him a few times myself....Just for fun.

[Skittles]

38. LOL, I remember seeing him at parade rest in a formation

with his face all swollen taped up - I waved at him. Stupid f***; I can't believe he tried to mess with me. He's one of the few idiots who ever have.

[brainwashed_youth]

36. Wow...a GI Jane.

hey skittles, ur post made me laugh. and thanks for your service to our country. how often does this kind of thing(rape) happen in the military? Cause I've heard a few instances of it.

[RapidCreek]

48. It happens lot's

In my short time in the military I nailed a masterchief at ONTC that had raped 3 female recruits in the space of a week..... He worked at ONTC for at least two years so figure out the numbers. He never would have gotten hammered if I hadn't dragged out of a frightened recruit who was eating her lunch, why she was sobbing. She didn't want to expose the fucker because she feared she would be punished for doing so.

I brought the young lady to my superior and had her go over her story again. Thankfully my superior was a female Commander with twenty years under her belt. Funny thing is a few days later I got a threatening phone call from the chief. I told him to come on over to my office and we could discuss his sexual problems at length.....He never called again. Last I heard that masterchief got himself a life sentence at Leavenworth. Here is the clincher....turns out the uncle of the recruit I helped out was a senior administrator at the Pentagon. One has to wonder if anything would have been done had this not been the case.

RC

[Colin Ex]

42. Hell yeah, Skittles.

Nothing says "Fuck with me and find out" like someone actually fucking with you and finding out. :-)

Cheers to beating douchebags in the face with staplers.

_C

[Pax Argent]

19. There is a killing irony here

I read the first 50 entries on the thread, and what a number of them were arguing was that women shouldn't be in the same army as men because of the young adult male's raging hormones. Its supposedly all about human nature.

That being said, does anybody on that side get the disconnect between this position and abstinence programs being a viable prophylactic against teenage pregnancy?

Being a Freeper must absolutely require not being able to do any multi-dimensional thinking.

:shrug:

[Mari333]

23. Rape has nothing to do with raging hormones

it has to do with power, control, and hatred of women. Thats all.
I raised 3 sons, and none of them have ever hurt a woman, or a man, or anyone. They wouldnt even think in such a manner.
I would hate to think these people on that board even have children.

[Faygo Kid]

26. I agree. I raised one daughter.

Good for you, and your sons. I was raised right, like your sons (a long time ago, though). Rape is an act of control and violence. The sex part is a way of acting out that control. It is indeed hatred; I also believe it is an expression of inadequacy. Whatever it is, it continues to be excused - certainly on FR; unfortunately, maybe here on DU, as well. Sex is not what rape is about; as you state, power, control and hatred are what it is about. You are right, and I thank you for your observation.

[Pax Argent]

46. Rape is a horrible crime. This goes without saying to most decent folk.

I am not an expert on the subject, and I feel that rape should be abhorrent to any civilized, decent human being.

I wasn't positing what causes rape. I was merely pointing out an inconsistency in the Freeper mindset based on statements from their arguments. I apologize if anybody misconstrued my prior statements.

[jokerman93]

40. Worse -- being a freeper requires

Worse -- being a freeper requires being able to accomplish almost constant dehumanizing psychological dissociation.

America is descending into brutishness. High Tech Dark Ages.

[AlFrankenFan]

28. VERY chilling

the way these people think...some of the things they believe are shocking.

[Edge]

33. Man, these people should be bound and gagged...

and beaten for having this kind of thought process. It truly sickens me. :puke:

[Loonman]

50. Freepers are heartless scum

Beyond redemption.