Olie North is claiming Kerry helped found a anti Vietnam terrorist org..

[Cannikin]

he says he has seen the literature himself...Says literature encouraged desertion, and shooting officers...and this will be the message he spreads about Kerry.

He's on the radio now in Arkansas.

[wicket]

1. Oliver North

Why does Oliver North have any credibility with the right-wing. He lied to Congress and was a traitor to his country. Sure, he was cleared of his felony on a technicality, but still, his deeds were sickening.

[LincolnMcGrath]

7. Didn't Ollie screw up the rescue of the Iranian hostages?

Him and Colon have been running with the Bush Crime Family for some time.

[Redleg]

23. That wasn't Ollie- but he did screw up some other stuff.

EOM

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. Operation Eagle Claw

I read Ollie was in on that failure. As was Bush 1.

[Althion]

33. Was it a "failure"

or sabotage?

It lost the election for Carter, and Reagan and Bush Sr won.

A.

[LincolnMcGrath]

39. Welcome to DU Althion

[oldshoe]

13. Ollie skimmed contra money for person use

Ollie was not really cleared on a technicality as much as two of the three judges were avid right-wing members of the Federalist Society. It was like having frat brothers hear your case.

Do you all know that not only did he run an illegal gov't within the gov't the guy actually stole $10,000 from the funds to buy weapons for his contra buddies, as there was no accountant and no one was supposed to know AND that one of the international arms merchants (selling weapons to the contras at inflated prices--yet more theivery) set up a $100,000 trust fund for North's family. So the Great Patriot North not only believed he could determine policy but skimmed funds from his own side!

How low can you go?

(Source: Paul Brabcato, The Iran-Contra Scandal)

[JHB]

42. Not just any judges: Silberman & Sentelle

Ollie was not really cleared on a technicality as much as two of the three judges were avid right-wing members of the Federalist Society. It was like having frat brothers hear your case.

The judges were Lawrence Silberman (Reagan partisan and mentor to David Brock during his character-assassin days)
& David Sentelle (who went on to run the panel which "oversaw" Ken Starr's free-roaming Whitewater investigation).

Read Brock's Blinded by the Right for more on this crew. Yes, Virginia, there is a VRWC.

[bobbieinok]

34. 'Ollie is a hero' to the right

I still remember when he testified before the committee investigating Iran-Contra.

He shows up in his uniform with his polished 'good little soldier boy' face and says 'I was just following the orders of my commander-in-chief.'

When he ran for the senate in VA while Clinton was president, North repeated over and over 'HE is not MY commander-in-chief.'

[Skidmore]

38. The sure fire way to have credibility with the right wing is to

do all of the above, in spades.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

53. Is Oliver North still selling cocaine to American children?

just curious how many "kilos" he's flying into the country now a days?

[bowens43]

2. A convicted felon and war criminal, right wing hero

has to put in his two cents. This bastard should be in jail not offering political commentary.

[Democrats unite]

3. Ollie North...

is nothing but a piece of shit!

[oldshoe]

4. The smear is on

Just like the smear on Gore over things he never did, we will now see the great GOP smear campaign of 2004. Be ready for any and everything.

After what the did to Clinton, these guys know no bounds. They are convinced that all Liberal criticism of Dubya is just the same medicine done for revenge and has no merit, so ugsome is the word.

Is "Duck" Cheney going to be on the ticket again? Isn't it time for him to retire for health reasons, if not for humanitarian reasons?

[Bluzmann57]

5. I have money that says he won't(or can't) produce the literature.

I also read something about North leaving his men to die on a mission in Viet Nam. I think it was in Playboy, but I don't remember for sure. Perhaps thats the type of "evidence" that North has seen too.

[NoPasaran]

6. Ollie North

A guy who sold arms to one bunch of terrorists to fund another bunch of terrorists. I guess that makes him an expert.

[Cannikin]

8. Here's the radio show's #

Talk Show numbers:
In Central Arkansas: 433-0092
Toll Free Statewide: 1-800-264-0092
Free Call from your Alltel Wireless phone at: #920

[Minstrel Boy]

9. How is it that this murderous, drug-running sociopath

is allowed near a microphone?

Only in America....

[oldshoe]

17. Not true!

Thugs like this were also allowed on the radio in Ruwanda, and in Hitler's Germany, Mussulini's Italy, the USSR, India, Pakistan, Iran... The list is really rather long. Canada may be the exception, not the rule.

Isn't Rush on in Canada? Or are you guys really that sane?

[Parrcrow]

27. Don't forget...

Super Duper Secret Agent X-7 G. Gordon Liddy.

And last night I saw Victoria Gotti (the Mafia asshole's daughter) on Geraldo. She was there as an expert. A legal expert I believe.

Remember when Geraldo was a joke. Now he's the straight man.

[bobthedrummer]

25. Realpolitik is full of criminals, that's for sure.

I heard he is hyping Christian heritage, is that true?

[BiggJawn]

37. Heritage or Identity, I forget which.

The Xian Militia types just LOVE Ollie...

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. I hope this qualifies for a lawsuit for defamation of character.

North is using old CIA methods to discredit an opponent.What are the laws if it can be proven that North's accusations are baseless and that there is maliciousness behind his motives?

[RainDog]

11. Ollie North is a terrorist

a drug runner--specifically making sure drugs showed up on the streets of America to fund genocide in Central America.

the man is a liar of the first degree who should have been executed by a military tribunal for treason.

He assisted in so many corrupt activities that he should be ashamed to show his face in this nation, and the fact that he even gets a hearing on any of his bullshit anywhere in America is an indictment of how corrupt this country became since Reagan fucked over this nation about five different ways.

Too bad when Reagan kicks the bucket...and no doubt a repuke operative is waiting with the pillow for the oportune moment...snark)..too bad Ollie can 't be buried alive with him.

What a fucking joke the media in America is in this time when there is ample evidence of North's criminal and unconstitutional activities and he gets paid fat bucks to spew his vomit on this country.

[slor]

12. Can those that support Kerry file...

a class action lawsuit for slander/libel? We need to either ruin this jackass for spreading this filth or confirm it is not true prior to Kerry getting the nomination. Sorry, but we CANNOT leave this election to chance!

[alfredo]

14. Kerry was a war hero, not some drug smuggling thug. Ollie

hates Kerry because he blew the whistle on the contra drug trade.


http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/

Especially this on the contra war.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062003.shtml

[myrna minx]

15. Gee, north wouldn't have a personal axe to grind with

Kerry, now would he? Traitorous thug.

[Lefta Dissenter]

16. Well,

that's Memo #1 from the Kerry file... and it's just beginning - for ALL of the dems. Whoever is in the lead, and particularly whoever gets the nomination, will be subjected to this sort of attack on a daily basis. Those slimeballs sit there with their chubby files, and they'll just start hauling out the shit, one little piece at a time. True, not true, who gives a crap - they've got their orders...

drip... drip... drip...

It just makes me sick.

[0007]

18. Oliver North is a government stamped bona fide liar,

working for the biggest whore network in the United States history with a direct hot line straight to the White House.

Brit Hume should be ashamed of himself for having such a liar working for him, cuz it sure makes junior look bad. If that's possible!!

[Cannikin]

20. If you have something worthwhile to say to the talks show host...

He'll read it on the air...But please dont spam him.

[e-mail]

[Skidmore]

19. It may be personal with Ollie since over the

weekend I heard someone refer to Kerry having some part in the move to prosecute Iran-Contra. I was overseas when that whole thing occurred and I'm afraid it's one of the areas I'm fuzzy on. Does anyone know what role Kerry did have?

[Cannikin]

21. 10th caller wins his book!

I could use some fancy toilet paper.

[Skidmore]

I'm not sure what your point is.

I'm no Ollie North fan--he should have been indicted and still be behind bars for the crimes he committed. I wish I could recall who said that this weekend--it was part of one of the many interviews I heard, and none of them were with Ollie North.

[drscm]

22. "Alice in Wonderland" is also literature,

and unfortunately has more truth than any utterance from Ollie's mouth.

[opihimoimoi]

26. The only reason olly is not in jail is the shredding lasted 3 weeks

it was ay day 2 or 3 that his secretary(I forget her name) complained about the speed and he got a new and larger model to shred even faster.

The poor secretary(I recall her being a pretty thang) spent 3 weeks shredding shit.

Wasn't it ollie who went to Iran to meet the Main Man Komeni carrying a birthday cake to make deals in secret?

[bobbieinok]

36. secretary Fawn White?????

...

[LincolnMcGrath]

40. Fawn Hall

[Redleg]

24. Oliver North should have zero credibility on any issue.

He is a god-damned disgrace to the Corps and should not be allowed to mouth his garbage on TV, radio, etc.

[Old and In the Way]

29. This is priceless.

Most have found a box of them in the RNC celler from a Nixon-era Republican disinfo campaign. You never know when something like that will come back in vogue.

[emulatorloo]

30. Sour Grapes -- I thought Ollie North was in prison n/t

[tabasco]

31. O. North is a professional liar.

A disgrace to the military if ever there was one.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. awwww Ollie you still mad that Kerry BUSTED your CRIMINAL ASS? Iran/Contra

GET OVER IT!!!!

[BiggJawn]

35. Well, so Kerry's got the GOP scared...

And they bring out one of their slimiest thugs to smear him.

Yeah, Ollie, just like like you had to skim that money to fortify your home against Oh-Summa Bin-Forgotten.

Lieing sack of shit.

Hey, Ollie! Care to venture a guess why the wastebasket my shredder sits on has "OLLIE" written on the side?

Traitor, Drug Runner, and War Crimminal.

[IkeWarnedUs]

41. Oliver North is slime, but Kerry did protest the Viet Nam war

It is talked about in "Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War" by Douglas Brinkley. Here is some of what Mr. Brinkley said in an online interview hosted by The Washington Post on 1/9/04:

<snip>
Nederland, Colo.: What is Sen. Kerry's current and historical position on the legitimacy and morality of the Viet Nam War? Was Viet Nam (or other U.S. targets at the time) ever a threat to the U.S.? Has Kerry ever expressed regret or remourse for the millions we killed? Does he characterize the Viet Nam War as "a mistake", a "moral failure" or what? I heard he was involved in the Peace Movement -- does he uphold that War Protestors also "support the troops?" Thanks.

Douglas Brinkley: John Kerrey vehemently denounced the Vietnam War as being immoral and unjust. As leader of The Vietnam Veterans Against the War, he even led a protest march to Washington, D. C. called Dewey Canyon III. This was to protest not just the Nixon Administration's widening the war into Laos but also the entire history of U.S. intervention in Southeast Asia. Although it is a little talked about fact, John Kerry was arrested in Concord, Mass. for protesting the war and there is a picture of him being escorted by police with his hands behind his head in my book.

<snip>

Deming, N.M.: There was criticism from veterans of John Kerry for discarding his war medals in a public ceremony in protest against the Viet Nam War, and then further criticism that he discarded fake medals and not his actual medals. To me, it was the symbolism that mattered, and not that he was protesting our troops but he was protesting our policies in Viet Nam. Do you have further information regarding this controversial part of his life, and what is your take on what happened?

Douglas Brinkley: First off Kerry actually returned his ribbons not his medals on the steps of the capital. Other veterans who could make it to the D.C. march gave Kerry their medals to toss away. There has been a great deal of confusion about all of this and I explain it with great clarity in Tour of Duty.

The Nixon White House was desperate to destroy John Kerry, he was too tall, too articulate, too handsome and too decorated a soldier to be denouncing their Vietnam policies. You couldn't write him off as an LSD crazed anarchist of hippy. The FBI started harassing Kerry and infiltrated Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A766-2004Jan8.html


Ollie North is a disgusting piece of s**t and I am confident he said what he did - the way he did - in an effort to slam Kerry.

But the truth is Kerry did protest the Viet Nam war. Denying it will only hurt him. He was a decorated veteran and if anyone had the right to protest what was happening in Viet Nam it was him.

Kerry supporters should get out in front of this story and spread it themselves. Not only did he have the courage and TRUE PATRIOTISM to go fight, he had the conscience and conviction to demand an end to the insanity.

[Uzybone]

44. No one is denying Kerry protested the war

Kerry is proud of it. But protesting the war and what North is sliming around are not the same thing.

[IkeWarnedUs]

47. I posted this to clarify

In 40 posts while no one exactly said they denied that Kerry protested the war, there are a number of posts saying that what North said wasn't true and calling for libel suits. I just wanted to make sure people knew what the lie was about.

My concern was that relatively uninformed DU'ers (and others) would come across RW'ers parroting North's claims and rather than argue that the inflamatory literature claim is BS they would mistakenly say that Kerry didn't protest the war. I would also hate to see people appologize for Kerry protesting - there is nothing to appologize for.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. Kerry has never denied it and has spoke about it on the campaign trail

many times and he is proud of his protest of the Vietnam war...he is justified in doing so too...we are in front of it

[BiggJawn]

46. There is a world of diference between protesting and advocating...

...Mutiny, which is what Ollie "The Grate Murkan" North (USMC Disgrace to The Uniform) is doing.

[The Backlash Cometh]

43. "Born on the Fourth of July"

Did Kerry protest in the same manner that Tom Cruise did in "Born on the Fourth of July?" Who better to condemn a war than the soldier that must see the fighting?

[CBHagman]

48. And so it begins.

Time for the less savory elements to go into full attack mode on Kerry. They'll make the 2000 smearing of Al Gore look like a Sunday school picnic.

If there's ANY justice in this country, a group of veterans (Senator McCain, call your office!) North's rear end on a platter, his guts for garters (choose your own metaphor).

[Old and In the Way]

50. You know CBHagman, I say "Bring it On"

This is like a 35 year boil that needs lancing. We let the infection settle in during the 80's and it festered through the 90s. We never thought our most precious democratic institution: voting, would be compromised. Were we wrong. By the time we woke up, the necrosis had settled in.

But I think it has energized the Left like at no other time since I've been keeping score. The Clinton Inquisition and the absolute corrupt nature of this administration has now created a political tsunami that will culminate in November. The internet has connected us like at no time I can remember and that will help to push our agenda longterm. The facts are coming out and more people are waking up to the criminal, un-American actions of a Party devoid of any principles or integrity.

The pendulum will swing as it has to. The 40 year Republican Policy has been built on the politics of oil. The oil is beginning to run out and America is ready for a new vision of energy independence and the revolutionary impact that this will require in our infrastructure, economy, technology. The Republicans have no vision (see "Pax Americana") and therefore, nothing to offer the vast majority of Americans. I really do think we've seen the high-water mark of this ugly aberation of a political party and the rebirth/renewal of Party redirected to American values of community, cooperation, and opportunity for all.

Bring it on, indeed.

[maggrwaggr]

49. that means Ollie did it, not Kerry

People like Ollie accuse others of doing what they do.

How would he have gotten this idea?

Because it's what he did in Vietnam. That's why he can talk about it.

[RedEarth]

51. North is a low life

piece of shit that should be prison instead of making millions from hate radio.

[Supply Side Jesus]

52. Isn't this slander?

It's sick what poeple can't get away with.

[Moderator]

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