I can't believe that they're trying to blame the CIA for bad intelligence

[Robin Hood]

These guys have genitals down to their knees to come out and lie over and over again. The CIA has been saying for the last year that the intel that the Admin was pushing was not only proven faulty by the CIA but that the Admin was pumping up the intel to achieve their objectives.

The objective has already been proven to be Iraq going back prior to 9 /11. And if the CIA had not been denying Bush's WMD assertion then what the heck is all that outed CIA mess all about? Why would they vengefully out a CIA agents wife?

And now, NOW!! They act like none of this crap ever happened. Where does the buck stop in this admin? If it's not Clinton it's the terrorists, and now it's the CIA. I guess that this Admin practices their ABB's. Anybody but Bush.

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. They are paying a price...

Bush's numbers are tanking.

Powell and Rice both said Saddam wasn't a threat publicly in 2001, so if America doesn't think that they have been lying all along nothing can help them.

We have to be loud, and never stop hammering this point.

[Robin Hood]

2. Damn it!! We were right.

And the anti-war crowd was treated and continues to be treated like shit. Even though we were right and they were horribly wrong. And all we ever talk about is the 500 dead soldiers, but no one talks about the thousands of innocents that we murdered during shock and awe. No one talks about the thousands of horribly wounded soldiers that no one ever sees.

Iraq has turned into America's litter box of death. A giant sand box were we bury our mistakes in the hot sand.

[PaDUer]

8. They're pros at

playing "pass the bucket".

[dusty64]

11. True, but how

much of this is really getting through to those who don't think when they hear/read the "news". This certainly isn't getting repeated over and over like the Dean speech and is not receiving the attention it deserves. Its now out in the open, the regime LIED, where is the coverage?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. READ THIS ..........OSP "Office of Special Plans"...NOT the CIA, NSA nor N

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/office_of_special_plans.html

“They were a pretty shadowy presence. Normally when you compile an intelligence document, all the agencies get together to discuss it. The OSP was never present at any of the meetings I attended.” - Gregory Thielmann, a senior official in the state department's intelligence

"That office was charged with collecting, vetting and disseminating intelligence completely outside of the normal intelligence apparatus. In fact, it appears that information collected by this office was in some instances not even shared with established intelligence agencies and in numerous instances was passed on to the national security council and the president without having been vetted with anyone other than political appointees"- Democratic congressman David Obey

Summary:

Soon after September 11, a small intelligence office was created by the Pentagon to assess the threat that Iraq allegedly posed to the U.S. It remained relatively secret during the first year of its existence, known only by Donald Rumsfeld's inner circle of neoconservative ideologues. Sources within the intelligence community told reporters that the group, known as the Office of Special Plans, cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The intelligence team's conclusions were presented directly to the White House and National Security Agency without first being vetted by other intelligence agencies, like the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency. The office was also blamed for the administration's lack of post-war plans in Iraq and accused of undermining the administration's policy towards Iran.

[OneTwentyoNine]

17. True,but when did Bush sell America on the War because of OSP?

He can try that shit all he wants but it won't fly.If I recall right he mentioned the CIA on numerous occasions as THE intellegence for the invasion.

These Dems better work real damn hard on a backbone and not let Rove spin this off the front page.

David

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. bush "sold America the war" in his SOTU 2002! "yellowcake 45 mintue nuke

readiness WMDs"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

3. There had to be a bigger "win"...

...in order to side-step the bigger challenge of finding Osama in HIS "spider hole."

And if it weren't for a trivial little matter called "the death of over 500 American soldiers," the American people probably WOULD have fallen for Bush's bait-and-switch tactic.

He may have been able to pull the Saddam, Uday and Qusay cards from the "deck of terra," but the Osama card is still on the table, and it's going to continue to give him paper cuts between now and November.

[Webster Green]

4. Maybe it will bring the Plame story back to the news...

Remember? The chimp administration got pissed at Wilson because he wouldn't fake the yellow cake evidence they wanted. Yes, by all means, lets get to the bottom of this "faulty intelligence".

What bullshit. All the lies about WMDs were de-bunked BEFORE last years SOTU address. The media whores are trying to spin this shit to fault the CIA, when they know damn well it was Cheney's people who were demanding intelligence reports that would support their plan to invade Iraq. The whores should all be held on charges of treason when this nightmare is finally over.

The truth is already out there. As much as they would like to, They CANNOT revise history. The chimp will lose his re-selection attempt or he will be impeached. No other outcome is acceptable.

[Robin Hood]

5. Not only do they need to be removed from office,

But they at least deserve to be tried for treason and at least sent to prison for the rest of their lives.

[guitar man]

6. It wouldn't surprise me one bit

...if the RW "media" tries to find a way to blame Clinton(and his penis) for this. They are going to say Clinton let our intellegence capabilities deteriorate and blah,blah,blah. I can hear it now.

However,it might not work all that well any more.I think all that shit is wearing pretty thin. It is about time for the pResident to take some "personal responsibility.

[krkaufman]

7. Let them dig a deeper hole.... 'Office of Special Plans' will doom them

If you're not familiar with the Bush Administration's "Office of Special Plans," you *need* to read the following article.

The spies who pushed for war
Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force
Thursday July 17, 2003
The Guardian

Let them dig themselves deeper into a hole. Blaming the intelligence community *will* backfire on them.

[Terwilliger]

9. a good point: if Cheney says now that WMD's were real...

why does the White House try to deny the intelligence now?

[Gemini Cat]

10. Faulty intelligence indeed!

The intelligence was there, bush cheney et al failed to believe it, because of their collective greed and PNAC plans.
So now we have over 500 dead and many, many thousands of innocent Iraqi dead as well.

Those evil bloody bastards.

:dem:

[Loonman]

12. You don't mess around with the CIA

Yep.

[bushwakker]

18. They will regret it

if they try ramp up some kind of "blame the CIA" campaign. As far as I can tell the intelligence was good - it was the pols that f***ed it up. Kay has actually been a lot more candid than I would have suspected a few months ago. I have some limited amount of respect for him now. He's still trying to steer blame away from the Shrub though.

[ComerPerro]

20. hi bushwakker,

:hi:

I really wish the CIA would stand up to them, but it looks like they will just be content taking the blame for the evils of a right-wing administration.

My favorite "blame Anybody But Bush" talking point has to be "Clinton thought there were WMD in 1998, so if Bush lied then he lied..."
The response is, "well, yeah, but Clinton didn't START A FUCKING WAR WITH A GROUND INVASION!!!!!!!!"

I was suprised at Kay's comments as well, but I am starting to realize that it may have been just the initail parts to a setup blaming bad intellgence.

Poor George. He was decieved.

I mean, he's only the President of the United States. Its not like he has control over any of these institutions. He must be a victim of his superiors... oh, wait, that's technically nobody...

Hmm...

[Robin Hood]

21. Amazing isn't it.

THey parade him around with a ten gallon cowboy hat, but when the shit hits the fan, they all treat him like the victim imbecile that he is.

It's time that this admin gets held accountable for it's criminal behavior.

[Snappy]

13. Contradictions

When these Neo Fascist start contradicting each other you know their shawl of lies is unraveling. It's time for those in Congress to grow a spine and start investigating this.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. write/ call your reps/ the media about the OSP "Office of Special Plans"

the OSP was a secert intel agency set up inside the Pentagon shortly after the selection of bush by Rumsfeld/Cheney/Wolfowitz to compile intel and present it to the WH for invasion of Iraq without vetting it through CIA, NSA nor NIE....google "Office of Special Plans" tons of sites and documents about this intel fabricating agency...SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS ...NOW!!!! OSP! OSP! OSP!

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/office_of_special_plans.html

“They were a pretty shadowy presence. Normally when you compile an intelligence document, all the agencies get together to discuss it. The OSP was never present at any of the meetings I attended.” - Gregory Thielmann, a senior official in the state department's intelligence

"That office was charged with collecting, vetting and disseminating intelligence completely outside of the normal intelligence apparatus. In fact, it appears that information collected by this office was in some instances not even shared with established intelligence agencies and in numerous instances was passed on to the national security council and the president without having been vetted with anyone other than political appointees"- Democratic congressman David Obey

Summary:

Soon after September 11, a small intelligence office was created by the Pentagon to assess the threat that Iraq allegedly posed to the U.S. It remained relatively secret during the first year of its existence, known only by Donald Rumsfeld's inner circle of neoconservative ideologues. Sources within the intelligence community told reporters that the group, known as the Office of Special Plans, cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The intelligence team's conclusions were presented directly to the White House and National Security Agency without first being vetted by other intelligence agencies, like the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency. The office was also blamed for the administration's lack of post-war plans in Iraq and accused of undermining the administration's policy towards Iran.

[susu369]

15. According to Paul O'Neill's story

bu$h* demanded a mission against Saddam ten days after stealing the presidential office. What was that bu$h said, "Go find a way."

So how can people accept the CIA was to blame? Not logical.