Tucker Carlson on Crossfire: The rich keep this country afloat.

[maveric]

The rich pay all the taxes and give more to america than anyone else.
Tucker you corporate shill, give some credit to the american worker who IMO built this nation.

[arcane1]

1. thank you Ken Lay!!

what WOULD we do without the likes of you?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. my gardner payed more in taxes than Ken Lay did in his last 5 yr at Enron

[Kathy in Cambridge]

2. That is just revolting

someone should've beaten him up in NH during the Novak altercation.

[Sam Lowry]

34. Well...

It's roughly true, if you admit that every society is going to have rich people and those people are going to pay most of the taxes. On the other hand, what does "rich" mean?

[maveric]

35. Gimme a break!!

See post #27

[Sam Lowry]

36. Re: post 27

I don't have the same views of tax cuts as you do, I imagine, but I see the point. My point was that those who make shitloads of money are responsible for most of what's in the treasury. It's a fact, dogg. I'm just defending the remark on a techincal level.

P.S. I also kinda like Tucker Carlson. Isn't that weird?

[camero]

41. and I say you should go to post 11

Because without money, your loving rich would not survive. It will become essentially worthless soon anyway, so you should prepare.

[Sam Lowry]

42. Easy, Camaro

I don't like your tone. Besides, what the hell does that mean? And be honest.

[camero]

46. Exactly what you think it means

Stop being a service to the rich.

[leesa]

53. The rich are destroying our country.

They pay virtually no taxes. They loot our treasury regularily for their perks and corporate welfare. They have purchased our government for their personal use. They have fouled our air and our water to satisfy their greed. They have destroyed small business with their greedy mergers and aquisitions.

They are pariahs.

[Hubert Flottz]

3. How by dodging their duties as taxpayers and soldiers?

Tucker is Worse that NoSak!

[SharonAnn]

27. The rich GET more and Take more from America than anyone else

They GET far more from America than anyone else. And then, on top of that, they TAKE more from America than anyone else.

Like right now, they're TAKING the Social Security surplus, being paid by you and me, as a tax cut.

[Hubert Flottz]

45. It's true the taxpayers even pay operating expenses for big biz!

Around here we build roads and bridges with our tax money and the coal companies who finance the Repubs like BOOOOSH tear, the roads to pieces hauling coal in overweight trucks on our roads! They are running trucks that weigh twice as coal much as our roads were designed to accommodate! The Taxpayers are paying the upkeep while the coal barons reap all the bennies and pay nothing!

The coal companies Donate cash(political bribe money)to our politicians campaigns and pay lobbyists to wine and dine the politicians who in turn let the coal companies do anything they want to do! Who lobbies for the taxpayer? Not a living soul that I know of, lately!

As a result of this Unfair and Unbalanced One Sided system, we have here the worst roads you can imagine and the highest taxes! Huge overweight trucks running with loads that they can't control on the shoddy roads, killing the taxpayers in wrecks on their way to work, IF, they still have a job to drive to! The rich get richer on our dollars and we get DEAD!

This is all just a tiny sample of the Great American pie that the people like Bush's Daddy has their roguish sticky fingers embedded in! Maybe "MAKE THE PIE HIGHER" really does make sense for somebody like Tucker and friends afterall!

[DODI]

4. What an inane statement!!!

What exactly are they giving? I live in CT, we have one of the highest per capita incomes in the country and the lowest in charitable giving. They also pay a smaller percent of their income in taxes than the lower brackets.

[buycitgo]

5. WTF is happening to Begala????????

he just sat there most of the time, after the beginning, in which he was energized about B* LYING to us about the WMDs

after that he just sucked it, JUST LIKE Allan Colmes

he's turning into a real wuss lately, often making FUN of dem candidates!!!!!

can you imagine the slimy squid Carlson ever doing something like that?

I can't STAND that show anymore

Carville is getting just as squishy, too

[cushla_machree]

12. well if he didn't

then he would probably lose the show. look what happened to bill press and buchaneon. can't have liberals running their mouths!

rule #1 in the news: never have a liberal on TV unless balanced by a conservative.

how come none of these stations have a liberal with his own show? are we supposed to believe that he/she would not get any good ratings?

Please. this is atrocious.

[Indiana Democrat]

48. Bagala is not a Kook...

...and he doesn't support Kooks.

We can yell and scream all day long about Bush knowing about 9-11 in advance or a conspiracy to take Dean down...It's a message board...We don't really matter. But Begala is trying to represent the "Democratic Party" on a national level...He doesn't want to embarrass it...And I don't blame him one bit.

***No offense to Kooks intended.***

[Cat Atomic]

7. Support the troops. Even though they're only leaches on the rich.

What an arrogant thing to say.

[hatrack]

8. Without their restaurant tips & car detailing jobs . . .

where WOULD this country be?!?!?!?

[dumpster_baby]

9. And guess what...Tucker Carlson is himself rich. No vested interest, there

I think the rich should pay far far more in taxes. It is an absolute SCANDAL that a working man or woman can earn 20K and pay 7K (fully one third or more of the 15K) or more of that in income tax, payroll (SS) tax, sales tax, property taxes (usually rolled into the rent), and other miscellaneous taxes. All what does that leave for paying the rent, the food, the health care (HA!)? 13K, or maybe 1000 per month.

I say rich people should pay 70% in taxes, and when I say "rich" I mean those making 500K or more in income, earned or otherwise.

[dumpster_baby]

10. delete this

I think the rich should pay far far more in taxes. It is an absolute SCANDAL that a working man or woman can earn 20K and pay 7K (fully one third or more of the 15K) or more of that in income tax, payroll (SS) tax, sales tax, property taxes (usually rolled into the rent), and other miscellaneous taxes. All what does that leave for paying the rent, the food, the health care (HA!)? 13K, or maybe 1000 per month.

I say rich people should pay 70% in taxes, and when I say "rich" I mean those making 500K or more in income, earned or otherwise.

[camero]

11. I say we should stop carrying the rich

And let them grow their own food, drive their own cars, build their own houses. Besides, that's not true here in Florida. The rich pay hardly any tax here.

[maveric]

15. Without a work force, who would do the work? The rich???

Without the rich, workers could and would find ways to survive and possibly even prosper.

I cant believe that working people in this country are buying into this bullshit,worshipping their corporate masters and demonizing labor unions.

Total brainwashing of the ignorant masses.

[camero]

17. I can't believe it either

Did you misunderstand my post or are you agreeing with my premise?

The rich would all die without us.

[maveric]

18. The rich "WOULD" all die without us.

If it came down to money having no value you would see true Darwinism in action.
They would not be able to survive without money.

[bleedingheart]

13. Tucker is stupid.

[Valjean]

14. Value of work ...

If rich industrialists and managers disappeared, the world would go on ticking. In fact things would probably be a lot better.

If all the poor working folk stopped working one day, the world would fall apart. The wealthy would starve to death, their lawns would be overgrown, their children would run wild.

Lets put it this way. Count the number of people who do things FOR you. The number of people you depend on determines your relative value to society. If everyone does everything FOR you, you have little value to society. That makes George W Bush the most useless man in history.

[citizen snips]

16. Tucker Carlson is becoming more of an idiot every day.

He does not know how bad it is to live in poverty.

[spanone]

19. This is classic republican conservative thinking

Fuck the masses, kill the unions, reward the rich, support big business and on and on. It's also called facism. This is why repubs are traditionally against federal public programs.

[Malva Zebrina]

20. Yup, agreed

if it were not for the masses, the rich who depend upon them , would not be rich at all.

It is time to equal things out a little bit although I do not know how that would be accomplished, since the labor unions are a thing fo the past.

There is a six million dollar house being constructed down the road from where I live on a peninsula in Maine. Real exclusive. Real pretnetious, real, in your face you paeons , you dumb natives, you stupids .

It is the way of the rich. They have come here, constructed this six million dollar home on historic property, completely changed the landscape by bringing in huge huge amounts of dirt upon which to build their mansion, theri little castle, and could give a shit about the history of the area and the lay of the land upon which they occupy.

Did I mention that their name is Anderson and that they are from Texas? They will live here for perhaps one month out of the year. Rumor has it that they live now in Australia.

[skippysmom]

21. Was this Rove's memo this week?

"The rich carry the poor?"

First O'Liely, then Tucker?

[Generic Other]

22. Let's throw a few fat gasbags with bucks overboard and see just how well

they float!

In every part of the world where social injustice grows intolerable, daily acts of subversion and defiance are the only acceptable response. It is only when those that inflict the misery feel it themselves that there can be common ground for alleviating the misery of all.

I am fighting a war. I engage in battle at every opportunity.

I learn from those whom I follow. The slaves in the South breaking their tools, feigning ignorance, putting voodoo conjure balls under the massa's pillow. That was organized resistance.

I recall that the word "saboteur" comes from the root word "sabot," a wooden shoe thrown in the gears of machinery by peasants. Workers united.

I remind myself that nobility once powdered enormous wigs with flour while children starved for lack of bread.

I think of all those who have bent their backs so others might be lifted...

If the rich carried the poor, there would be no poor.

If the rich did their share there would be no poor.

[maveric]

25. A shameless Kick for your post

:kick:

You nailed it Generic!

[Djinn]

40. here here

When FDR instituted the New Deal was it rich people that got the country moving again? or was it workers DOING something that in time gave the economy the ability to again produce the rich?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

23. Notice how scared they are recently?

Bill O'Really, "Rich Girls" on MTV, Madonna's children's book about being nice to rich people, "Simple Life", etc.

Regular people are starting to wake up to the class war the rich have been fighting against us - and now they are panicking and doing their best to "humanize" their image and to stop the "envy".

They know that time is running out :) No war but the class war!

[SideshowScott]

24. Ahh hes just says what hes paid to say..The Worker makes america strong!

Oh whenever the "W" ( Workingperson ) word pops up the rightys scream Commie like a knee jerk reaction. But as in just about every great economy when the hard working backbone of america is doing good then america has reached hights like no other.
The Trickle down therory is just a bunch of hogwash spoken by people who are paid to make people belive it

[sendero]

26. These delusional asses...

.... better figure out quick that if it weren't for the rest of us there would be no rich people.

There was a time when the rich understood that and made an effort to put something back. Now, we are graced with people who are basically insatiable when it comes to wealth. Plus, willing to do anything to get it - start wars, rip off mutual fund investors, energy users, stockholders.

All the while talking piously. I think I'm gonna puke :(

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Not in your daddy's U.S.A.

The rich are selective consumers, and that means not only buying limited types of high quality items, but buying from cronies who can in return do them favors. These favors often result in passing on unfair advantages AT THE EXPENSE of the public. Therefore, the rich are more parasitical in nature or more predatory than benefactors. In a nutshell, we really don't need their kind of contributions because they stifle growth more than they help it.

[0rganism]

29. Like the guy with a life preserver kept the Titanic afloat

"Why are you all sinking like that? Can't you see I'm floating over here?"

[LiberalFighter]

30. I suppose during WWII we didn't need all the workers that worked...

in the assembly plants producing military supplies for our troops.

I suppose the work done by the women filling in for the men that were sent over to Europe wasn't necessary.

I suppose that the rich could had done all of this without the blood, sweat and toil of the working class.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

31. and here' s what I have to say about that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=694059

[maveric]

32. I love that song!!!

And it expresses my feelings about the changes that we need to make.

Thanks for posting those lyrics WhoCountsTheVotes!!

[leesa]

33. Think they are getting a little worried about a peasant uprising?

This is this weeks GOP talking point. I certainly hope these fools wasted tons of payola on Bush and the GOP.

[cryofan]

44. Yes! The Class War is heating up! For the first time in decades, maybe

now if we can just SWEEP Democrats into a huge majority in Congress and Senate, we can get something done.....

[DemoTex]

37. More top-down class warfare

Knit it in please, Mme DeFarge.

[ThoughtCriminal]

38. The rich do not "pay all the taxes"

1. They do not even pay half, and only if you exclude FICA.
2. The portion of tax payed by the rich is as high as it is because they pay their employees so badly. The "growing" burden of tax on higher incomes came largely becasue the gap between what CEO's and executives were getting paid vs. the serfs that work for them
3. Often quoted is the burden on the top 1% or 10% of "TAXPAYERS", not richest 1% or 10%. The number who avoid paying any tax would be an interesting figure (anybody have that?)
4. Figures also typically exclude the highly regressive state and local taxes which fall disportionally on the poor and middle class.

Carlson knows all this. Doesn't care.

[David Zephyr]

39. Tucker Said This? His Contract With CNN Must Be Up for Review.

Ha!

[rman]

43. ..by pushing people over board because allegedly the ship is sinking

Intersing how they avoid mentioning they also *have* more then anyone else.

[Homer12]

47. The Rich have Wealth

Which is Power and Free Speech in our Fucked-up Nation.

Wealth and Income, although related, are and can be considered different in their roles in our country and economy.

The rich may invest, but not many have picked up a hammer or cooked a grilled cheese, or created a software program, or invented a new form of fuel.

The rich make their fortunes and keep their wealth off the hard work and the backs of other Americans.

Tucker probably just said that to piss the left off, that is what he does with his smug sarcastic persona (ala Rush).

Let's not be pulled into this game.

[IrateCitizen]

49. 5 Million Ways to Kill a CEO

5 Million Ways to Kill a CEO
The Coup

(scraches) Help me out…

(Breakdown)
Yaw, yaw, yaw, yaw (2x)

(Chorus)
We've got
5 million ways to kill a CEO
Slap him up and shake him up
And then, you know,
Let him off the flo'
Than bait him with the dough
You can do it funk or (Breakdown) do it disco (2x)


Well I hope you testify that it was worth your waitin'
On the turf debatin' how to get it percolatin'
He workin' you while we happy just to work a Dayton
But I'mma slap him till my blood starts circulatin' (Breakdown)

Do you checks have elasticity?
Did they cut off yo 'lectricity?
Did you scream and yell explicitly?
Force the boss into complicity (Breakdown)

I'm a white chalk stencil but I push a pencil
Rollin' dope fiend rentals through your residential
Broke as fuck, eatin' lentils with no utensil
Finna teach pimp class with a hoe credential (Breakdown)

They own sweats spots, pet cops and fields of cola
Murder babies with they molars on the areola
Control the Pope, Dali Lama, Holy Rollers, and the Ayatollah
Bump this rollin' (Breakdown) in your bucket or your new Corolla

Where you might catch me on the scenic route
With my penis out
Yellin “twamps for the executive with the meanest mouth!”
Wanna know what this demeanor's 'bout?
City tryna clean us out, green is clout, shut 'em down (Breakdown)
They ain't never seen a drought

You interviewed but they ain't callin' you back
(and for the record I ain't called it a gat)
But tuck this in the small of your back
Wait in the bathroom stall till I tap (Breakdown)

(Chorus) 2x


Suck this game in slow, it's the creeper
If you a janitor, get a street sweeper
Ugly is even skin deeper
If you can't get the prez, get the veeper (Breakdown)

They made the murder scene before there was a coroner
I mighta been born here but I'm a foreigner
Spillin' swigs for victims of pigs and Afeni's kid
Flip off the lid, who you (Breakdown) pourin' for?

You too could be a corporate green killer
Bean spiller
Gangsta of love just like Steve Miller
They wear scivies that's made o' chinchilla
Factory in Mexico, bought (Breakdown) a spring villa

I'm from the land where the Panthers grew
You know the city and the avenue
If you the boss we'll be smabbin' through
And we'll be grabbin' you
To say “Wassup with the revenue?” (Breakdown)
And if you feel it we can even try to seal it with the

(Chorus) 2x


Tell him it's a boom in child prostitution
When he show up at the stroll give him lead restitution
Tell him it's a twenty in a vat 'o hot oil
When he jump in after it watch him boil (Breakdown)

Toss a dollar in the river and when he jump in
If you can find he can swim
Put lead boots on him and do it again
You and a friend
Videotape and the party don't end (Breakdown)

Tell that boogers be sellin' like crack
He gon' put the little baggies in his nose
And suffocate like that
Put a fifty in the barrel of a gun
When he try to suck it out, a-ha well you (Breakdown) know this one…

Make sure you ain't got no priors
Don't tell 'em that we conspired
We could let him try to change a flat tire
Or we could all at once retire (Breakdown)
There are just a few of the…

(Chorus) 2x


Bay Area, get ready to brawl, Bay Area, are you ready to brawl?
L.A., get ready to brawl, L.A., are you ready to brawl? (Breakdown)
Chi-town, get ready to brawl, Chi-Town, are you ready to brawl?
Detroit, get ready to brawl, Detroit, are you ready to brawl? (Breakdown)
Atlanta, get ready to brawl, Atlanta, are you ready to brawl?
Houston, get ready to brawl, Houston, are you ready to brawl? (Breakdown)
New York, get ready to brawl, New York, are you ready to brawl?
London, get ready to brawl, London, are you ready to brawl? (Breakdown)
Capetown, get ready to brawl, Capetown, are you ready to brawl?
Tokyo, get ready to brawl, Tokyo, are you ready to brawl? (Breakdown)

[IrateCitizen]

50. Prove him wrong by refusing to participate

Imagine what would happen if we just started refusing to participate in the "modern economy"? What if we actually learned how to truly become interdependent on each other much more, and reduced our dependency on far-away institutions who only cared about our exploitation rather than maximizing our human potential?

I would predict that you would truly see a tidal wave of change. Click HERE for a few ideas on how you can do this.

[EstimatedProphet]

51. This is hand-in-hand with a thread I started the other day

which I can't find (no search function!) that was about the idea of businessman-as-hero. Strait Randroid crap, all of it. Rethugs like to think that the rich try to get rich because of altruism, that they try to get rich in order to help the economy grow, hire people, etc. Not like they get any benefits out of having more money or anything.
If you ask me, this is a leadup to trying to find more benefits for the rich, as if they need more "rewards" for their service to the community for being rich...

[LiberalFighter]

52. CNN Excerpt 28 Jan 2004

CARLSON: The idle rich. I don't know why it falls to me to defend the rich. But, actually, the rich give more to America than anyone else. They pay

(CROSSTALK)

BEGALA: Oh, they're so bloody generous. Oh, God.

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: Actually, Paul, that's a total crock. It is true. Rich people keep this country afloat. They pay for everything.

BEGALA: They are. They're the backbone of this country, not that lazy, good-for-nothing middle class.

CARLSON: You know what? Honestly, that's just an economic fact. And so if you're going to run around pointing

(CROSSTALK)

(BELL RINGING)

BEGALA: Our country is driven by the middle class. Our economy is driven by the middle class.

CARLSON: That's simply not true.

BEGALA: President Clinton targeted the middle-class economy. Boom. President Bush targets the rich. The economy tanks.

(APPLAUSE)

CARLSON: Beating up on the rich may be popular, but that's just -- just wrong.

OK. You'll never hear anyone else defend the rich, but what the heck. It's Wednesday. I'll try it.

[Bombero1956]

54. Hey Tucker

tell ya what, us middle class working stiffs get to stay home next Monday and you rich slobs do all the work and we'll see who really keeps this country afloat, asshole!!