So Let Me Get This Straight. You Impeach A President For A Lie About

[DEM FAN]

Adultery BUT You Don't Impeach A President Who Sent Men And Women
To Iraq To Fight A War And DIE On A LIE. WHAT Am I Missing Something.
A LIE For Crying Out Loud. :-(errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[right is wrong]

1. You are missing

the Republican gene

[Valjean]

2. Impeaching Bush IS STUPID!!!!

Really, just drop the whole annoying topic.

1) Bush has broken NO laws. Nor is he even CLOSE to having broken a law. There are two issues with legal ramifications pending. The Valerie Plame issue, and the Congressional computer spying issue. NEITHER of these involve Bush directly.

2) Bill Clinton "fudged" under oath. Neither the category nor the action hitting the "high crimes and misdemeanors" threshold. The issue was completely manufactured by a lying slut. But they still had a case on psuedo-perjury. Many people considered that perjury (which IS a felony) so they had some political backing.

3) Convicting Bill Clinton would have been the WORST thing for the Republicans to do. It would have given Al Gore to show his stuff in a job that ALL the Republicans knew he could do well. As it is, a Veep lives in the shadow of the president. So smearing the President also smears the Veep. Promoting Al Gore to President would have let Al Gore shine.

Likewise, impeaching Bush would accomplish NOTHING. First, there is an election in 10 MONTHS!!!! Second, Impeaching Bush would only promote Dick Cheney. Third, you would give an opportunity for John McCain to become the number one candidate. This year, I would say that John McCain would be a STRONGER candidate than Bush.

The biggest thing Bush has for him is incumbency and $200 million dollars. Just like Daddy, his poor performance and distracting tactics are wearing off. Daddy didn't lose his job because he lost the right. He served his core supporters admirably, oil and defense industries. He failed to serve the center that was pissed at a poorly performing economy.

Bush finds himself in WORSE condition because of Iraq reconstruction. It's becoming the desert version of Vietnam over there. We're losing about ten a week over there. Thats forty a month. In ten months, there could likely be another 400 soldiers DEAD. Imagine what THAT will do for his re-election hopes.

Even now there is a real threat that both the Kurds and Sunnis will lose patience and go into full revolt or civil war. And then what an absolute MESS the region will be. The Shiites will turn to help from Iran. The Sunnis would press for Syrian involvement. We would be forced to support are only reliable ally (Kurds) against the Sunnis and Shiites and prevent any Turkish involvement. To sum up, Iraq could become a GIANT FUCKING MEGA-MESS VERY SOON!!!!

There is an ARMY of veterans out there that absolutely DESPISE Bush for cutting Veterans benefits (privatizing) so harshly. Most of the people in Iraq HATE Bush for this mess. Bush is pretty lucky that the Pentagon brass can manipulate their vote at will now.

[RandomKoolzip]

3. So how do we see Bush* punished for his misdeeds?

After all, he may not have lied under oath, but sure as hell lied to 200 million Americans......

[Valjean]

5. It doesn't matter

Nothing Bush has done comes to the level of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors". The only punishment possible is a resounding election defeat.

If I could, I would take away all his wealth and cast him into a pit. But the law does not allow for that.

We of higher mind must be consistent. We can rightfully point out the hypocrisy of others but cannot hold other to higher standards than we hold ourselves. If you did not believe in the Clinton impeachment, you cannot possibly believe in a Bush impeachment.

Congress GAVE the president authority to make war on Iraq. A great many Democrats voted for this. We were duped. But there is no law against manipulating intelligence for political gain. We cannot prosecute someone ex-post-facto, it is unconstitutional.

[Q]

7. What? Manipulating intelligence is indeed a crime.

- What makes you think that a government manipulating (lying) about intelligence and taking a country to war based on a lie is NOT a crime?

[wildwww2]

12. It is a crime. But so was Bu$h v Gore. Under the thumb press helps alot.

Does it not?
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[radwriter0555]

8. What election defeat? Those gopers OWN the election Even if not ONE

single person voted for bush, they'd STILL appoint the twit... we know how they operate. We know how they are...

The question then becomes, 'what do WE do to assure fair and honest elections?"

[dennis4868]

18. Nothing Bush has done comes to the level of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Lying to congress is a high crime and misdemeanor the last time I checked....

[Bandit]

26. Would you say awarding rebuilding contracts a year before engagement

to be legal? It has been brought out in recent disclosures that Haliburton was awarded their No-Bid Contract in early 2001 for Iraq. I would suggest that is illegal.

[PVnRT]

27. The last time I checked

lying to Congress is perjury, which is a "high crime."

[Valjean]

32. Bush wasn't under oath

You must take an oath before one is considered having committed perjury. Beyond this, we don't even know if the Chimp was allowed to know such minor details. He may have just demanded reasons and he was given them.

It's the administration that has lied and deceived in an institutional way. True, the skipper is asleep at the wheel but the law doesn't permit prosecution of CEOs who criminally allow their organizations to commit crimes through lack of oversight.

I hate the man as much as the next guy. But he hasn't committed any offense that warrants impeachment. The election is in 9 months. Thats the ultimate recall.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. If he could be tied to veote fraud then it would be high crimes

but that'll never happen. They learned alot from the Nixon days

[Kathy in Cambridge]

33. He lied to Congress-which is treason

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[radwriter0555]

9. BOO. Sex. Golf. Same thing.

Irrelevent.

Bush lied under oath on his state's funeral home scam.

He was accused of perjury too.

Then he stole a whole frickin election.
Whatta guy.

[Bridget Burke]

11. I didn't ask him that question.

He did not lie to me.

Your priorities are seriously sick.

[Q]

14. How many people died because of Clinton's lies about sex?

- Well?

[snippy]

25. Bush lied. Thousands died.

Bush has now killed more innocent people than bin Laden has.

Are Bush's turds chewy?

[LTR]

13. My solution

Definitely DO NOT impeach. Especially not in an election year. Just keep handing him enough rope to hang himself.

The punishment will be Bush losing his job come November.

I'll settle for that.

[dennis4868]

16. Bush broke laws....

he lied to congress when he sent them a letter requesting that body to pass his resolution. He also lied to congress during the state of the union speech in 2002. Lying to Congress is a federal offense. Also, playing around with the intelligence and pressuring the CIA to give them what they wanted is a high crime and misdemeanor....

[leesa]

17. Our constitution forbids us from launching an unprovoked war for one

He has clearly broken international law with his unprovoked wars. I am dead certain he has broken many laws but we are not allowed an investigation. It's just like his insider trading, his whitewashed AWOL and cocaine use status. Just because his powerful family is hiding his crimes does not mean they didn't occur.

[dennis4868]

22. By the way....

John Dean is coming out with a book called, WORSE THAN WATERGATE, where he goes into all of Bush High Crimes and Misdemeanoers....should be a great read!

[William Seger]

28. Bush * is a war criminal!

Read Ramsey Clark's Articles of Impeachment.

"President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General John David Ashcroft have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:"

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/articles_rc.htm

[rustydog]

34. Wrong-O as Hell Gumpy

The invasion of Iraq violated international law. Impeachabel offense number 1.

10 days after taking office, Bush told the National Security council mambers to make an iraq invasion happen. they followed those orders. NOW, if in following those orders, they followed PNAC, you have a CONSPIRACY, impeachment material number 2.
If they ACTED on the conspiracy, that is another impeachable crime.

Tha FACT that he lied to take the country to war directly causing the deaths of over 500 troops for no real or legal reason may well be impeachable.
This does need to be discussed at every turn. This is NOT a "get over it" thing either.
These bastards need to pay and if they are hit by a shotgun blast of issues from EVERY angle, it will be hard for him to fight back.

Waiting for Iraq to disintegrate even more only allows more Americans to die for Bush*s War.

[jpak]

35. No Crime?? 10,000 dead I-raqi civilians beg to differ

Bush War was a crime against humanity.

Impeach the motherfucker.

[tinrobot]

4. Three words why we don't impeach:

President Dick Cheney.

The Bush clan is pretty good at picking horrible vice presidents to keep their jobs secure. Remebr Quayle?

[leesa]

19. Yup. Quayle's a PNAC guy too. They have been pushing their dream

for a long time. He's still on the "Defense" Advisory Board, isn't he

[buddhamama]

10. yep, you got it

killing for greed is acceptable
sex for pleasure is not

there are Lies and then there are Lies.

[opihimoimoi]

15. The Pubs seem to have weird sexual hangups leaving them mindless.

[Art_from_Ark]

20. You've noticed that, too, huh?

[0007]

21. Does it not depend whose greed we're talking about?

Cuz we all know that the republican hasn't the desire for sex, except to procreate.

[Karenina]

30. Ummm... sure...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1065254

[linazelle]

23. Their philosophy is if they don't get caught--it's OK

So they maintain the highest levels of secrecy in history; revise and scrub official documents, seal other documents, control all questions asked by the press and then sell the press to their cronies to guarantee silence around their antics. Then they work fervently to place election stealing computers in order to place their people in the majority to further ensure that even if they are brought up on charges, they are dismissed. The bottom line is, it is highly unlikely we'll see someone at Bush's level perjured or even investigated the way Clinton was. And, it is also likely the next dem president will be heavily investigated and smeared in the press. It's a no-win situation.

[Q]

29. They can't be 'perjured' because they refuse...

...to testify about anything under oath. That's why you'll see none of the Bush* cabal testifying about 9-11...even though they were 'in charge' at the time.

[Atman]

24. Don't Impeach. Indict.

eom

[FDRrocks]

36. It's the thin line of plausible deniability n/t