Everything Changed Last Night - It's Over

[TNOE]

stick a fork in him, he is done.

For those of you who didn't watch Ellen Mariani and Phil Berg on Scarbrough last night - it was powerful. I was in shock and I was jumping up and down with joy. That's it. The cat is out of the bag and it's not going back in. Scarbrough let Mariani and Phil Berg have their say - and he said "we are going to be watching this very closely and will have them back to check on their progress" - (the lawsuit against Bush*). I think this means the media is now ready to break this story - and Bush* is done. If Scarbrough wants to be the hero in his story - that is okay by me. As long as this story gets told!

This is the key - if you are a MIHOP'r or LIHOP'r or just curious or suspicious...... PLEASE I BEG OF YOU - to write Scarbrough and thank him for having them on. You can't imagine how huge this was. I can't beleive it happened. The corporations are ready to cut Bush loose, the writing is on the wall.

The Democrats are a shoe-in now - so let's forget about electibility or who can beat Bush - because now any of them can - we can all vote with our hearts I believe - we don't have to trade one insider for another.

[Jack_Dawson]

1. I didn't see it. What happened and who are Mariani and Berg?

[TNOE]

2. Ellen Mariani is the 9/11 Widow who is suing

Bush* under the RICO statute and Phil Berg is her attorney. That interview was very DAMNING of Bush* - and they are not backing down. Scarbrough was letting them speak. It was huge. They laid it all out - and said in no uncertain terms that Bush Knew and did nothing.

[Solomon]

29. And now that the Inferior Court has established the precedent of

allowing a citizen's suit against a sitting president, we'll see how they try to squiggle out of this one. Unfortunately, nothing big will probably happen in the suit until after election time.

Wonder if they'll try to say they can't sue because "we're at war"? They might just as well just throw out the case by saying, "that was Clinton", this is Bush." The hypocrits.

[PaDUer]

72. They have 60 days to respond

to the lawsuit..as of now, Phil hasn't heard a thing..

[Gadave]

74. Fringe issues make us lose credibility

It's not a good idea to pin your hopes on election victory that someone is going to sue the President and somehow let everyone else know the truth about him.

We sound like the people who kept backing Paula Jones and that other woman in thier accusations against BC. That didn't work for them. Let's put up better candidates instead.

[Name removed]

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[Gadave]

77. The point is we have better candidates n/m

[ewagner]

4. Same question n/t

[soleft]

3. For being a conservative republican, I find Scarborough tolerable

He seems to actually make an attempt to be balanced. I find that I don't have that visceral urge to throw my TV across the room when I hear him speak. Very odd.

[Jack_Dawson]

6. So Scarboring is better than Hannity?

[TNOE]

15. Yes - he is now a hero to me

CANNOT stomach Hannity.

[Qanisqineq]

9. OMG! You DON'T?

:puke:

[Skittles]

26. thank you Tolania

Scarborough (R-Dead Aide) is a smarmy little creep.

[AlinPA]

52. What??? I saw him a few times and he smashed Dems the whole time.

Sounded just like Limbaugh.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

5. i believe you are correct...but i can not bring myself to watch Slitman

[Jackpine Radical]

7. I think I can smell ozone

from some small part of my brain that just burned out from information overload. Who are Ellen Mariani and Phil Berg? What lawsuit? What did they say last night?

On edit: I'm obviously a little slow on posting too this morning.

[TNOE]

13. The Links on the Case Against Bush*

9/11 VISIBILITY PROJECT

http://www.septembereleventh.org/

Mariani vs. Bush
http://www.911forthetruth.com/

[Minstrel Boy]

14. Read about Mariani here:

http://www.septembereleventh.org/ellenmariani.php

Statement of the Case

On November 26, 2003, Ellen Mariani filed a civil RICO action lawsuit against President Bush and other high level members of his administration, based upon prior knowledge of 9/11; knowingly failing to act; prevent or warn of 9/11; and the ongoing obstruction of justice by covering up the truth of 9/11; all in violation of the laws of the United States.

Phil Berg is Mariani's lawyer.

[TNOE]

8. We MUST e-mail, call or write - thank him

This is it - it is our chance to make real change. Please - I don't have the link but I'll find it - we must show our support for the truth. It DOES matter especially if they are getting pressure from the White House - I was shocked it was shown. I figured for sure there would be a sudden cancellation. If we want to take our country back - the time is now. We MUST do this.

[HootieMcBoob]

22. [e-mail]

There you go. I just dropped a line myself. It couldn't hurt.

[TNOE]

24. Thank you!

I just wrote - this may be the most important thing we can do right now - please, please write him!!!!!!!!!!

Just as a side note - for those who think it may not matter - okay I'm a Survivor freak, or at least I have become one - and only because of Rupert - I wasn't going to watch and I was so struck by this guy that I couldn't help myself - I was so pissed when he was voted off - HOWEVER - reading TV Guide last week - Rupert was picked for the All Star Survivor and the host of the show said he was a shoe in - because never has the show seen so many calls and letters when he got kicked off, they said their switchboard was lit up for hours - it matters.

[calimary]

38. I just wrote, also. Got the auto-response, but no matter.

These things DO make a difference.

Truly!

My side note: I was in radio for a lotta years and even ONE letter that came in (this was before email) was given lots of respect and weight. It was also presumed that one letter actually represented anywhere from 10 to 100, sometimes several hundred, depending on the size of the market, who did not write in, because they were apathetic, too busy, forgot, got distracted, did feel that way but not strongly enough to want to send a letter somewhere, pre-discouraged - assuming it wouldn't make any difference, or unsure that this was really something you could actually do - write in to a station. Phone calls were valued similarly. Why do you think they have request lines - complete altruism? Sure, to play something you want, but it's extremely valuable information to them to hear what people say they prefer. That's one of the ways they guage sales. That's how they know minute-to-minute what's hot, instead of waiting for the research to come in. ALL that input carries weight. And the more of it they get, the more they will eventually feel compelled to respond.

[Kanary]

40. Calimary, are you around?

Did you get my PM?

I'm trying to reach you.

Kanary

[calimary]

45. Will check it.

[Kanary]

50. Sent another one... pleeez look... thanx n/t

[Kanary]

44. email sent

I worded it simply... the quantity is what's important.

BTW, TNOE.. not an important thing... just nit-picky... but it's spelled "shoo-in". :) Doesn't have to do with kicking something with a shoe. :) :) :)

Thanks for the email addy.

Kanary

[TruthIsAll]

57. Scarborough did NOT choose them as guests...so something

must be afoot. Something Huge..

I would have considered a snowball in hell more likely than this.

[girl gone mad]

10. Well,

I agree with your last sentence completely. Voting who we think is most electable is a huge mistake, anyhow. Was Ross Perot electable? Not even close, but look at what he accomplished on passion alone. Now, think of what someone with that passion and the backing of an established major party could do.

Also, I caught Scarbrough the other night and was shocked.. it was almost like a Bill Moyers interview. He was talking to a liberal and he rarely interrupted, didn't talk over the guy, didn't make fun of him and actually said "you raise some interesting points." Not what I expected.

Ed: spelling

[spotbird]

11. That was very strange of Scarbrough, I agree.

What was weird about it is that the guests didn't come across as nuts, which is what I would have expected from Scarbrough. It was all a discussion as if the grieving widow had a point to make in demanding to know exactly what happened.

I kept waiting for Scarbrough to "reveal" she didn't really lose her husband on 9/11 or that the widow was in an insane asylum for most of her life.

He has recovered from whatever was wrong with him, maybe it cleared his brain, never mind. Either way it was very strange, what was he up to?

[americanstranger]

55. That's twice he's defied expectations.

He was also very nice to Sym when he appeared the night after the MoveOn awards.

Maybe Joe sees the handwriting on the wall and wants to keep his broadcasting gig after the Dems regain power this year. ;)

-as

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. Ellen Mariani for President!

This woman is a true American hero.

[Minstrel Boy]

16. video available, anyone?

Dont' get MSNBC up here. Can Mariani's appearance be found online anywhere?

[foreigncorrespondent]

17. Email address? (n/t)

[TNOE]

18. E-Mail?

I just went hunting and can't find it - can some of you computer savy people find a video?

[foreigncorrespondent]

19. You don't have...

...and email addy for Scarbrough?

[mdmc]

21. kick

:kick:

[TNOE]

20. Okay - Got IT

E-mail - front page

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

[foreigncorrespondent]

23. Thanks!

[G_j]

28. done, thanks! n/t

[Kazak]

25. It was powerful.

I was watching in jaw-dropped amazement. The media is getting antsy thats for sure. Be funny if Dems ended up owing a debt of gratitude to Scarborough of all people.

[juajen]

60. Wasn't it Joe, guesting on another show, Tweety, maybe

who said Bush should be impeached for the illegal alien proposed legislation?

[TNOE]

27. PLEASE - if you call or write -

please let it be known here - so this will stay kicked. God this is so important. Thanks.

[chelaque liberal]

30. It's interesting that even DUers don't know about the lawsuit

If even some internet savvy liberals don't know about this, how many people whose perception of the world is framed by faux news could possibly be aware of the lawsuit? This just really points out how well the story has been hidden. Hate to state the obvious but I will anyway-Paula Jones, Paula Jones, Paula Jones 24/7.
And while I'm at it-Gary Condit, Gary Condit, Gary Condit.....

Another point: NPR reported this morning that Bush won NH easily against (un-named) crossover Dem candidate. Uh, John Buchannan maybe, who happens to be connecting * to 9/11? Oh, no. Don't mention that. Wouldn't want to plant any doubt in the sheeple's minds.

[G_j]

34. Email NPR !

I did:

[e-mail]
(Jeffrey Dvorkin)

[TNOE]

36. Things are going to change

I sent an e-mail to the 9/11 Citizens Action Committee pleading with all of them to write and this is a response I received:

Thanks, we just thanked Joe per your message, and forwarded your message on
to our lists. We agree, we think something began to shift last night. We've
arranged:
2 TV interviews
5 radio interviews
4 major area newspaper interviews
for Ellen & Phil when the arrive in Kansas City, and will be running a 2 week
series of radio ads informing area citizens of their KC presentation. We
believe our efforts will have exposed up to 500,000 are residents of Ellen &
Phil's case by the time we're done.

Bill, National 911visibility.org

[SpiralHawk]

54. Top Notch TNOE !

How encouraging to see other media following the stench on the 9/11 trail.

Fired off my e-mail to Joe a while ago. Say what you will, he did perform a public service by allowing these two credible people a chance to be heard by their fellow citizens.

[barbaraann]

31. I don't think this would have happened if Nachman had still been

alive. And hasn't Olbermann also been set free, too?

I hope they bring Phil Donahue back.

[MissB]

53. Did Nachman die?

I must've missed that.

[alfredo]

56. Sad to say, yes. Cancer got him.

I didn't always agree with him, but I liked the guy.

[cybildisobedience]

32. I wrote Joe -

Had to actually gag on some of the words of praise, but it's all for the greater good. I encouraged him to keep on this story, and thanked him for having the courage to go where no one else seems to want to go.

[TNOE]

35. That's the spirit!!!!!!

Thank you - please everyone write!!!

[Butterflies]

33. Yes, saw it!

and I was especially surprised when the lawyer was saying how tiny the chances were that during the 19 minutes or so after the stewardess' call that no military jets were sent up. And the chances were even less that after the first plane hit that still the military wasn't put into action. He was allowed to finish his sentences and made all of his points. I'm just afraid very few people saw it - I've only watched that show twice and no one else I know ever watches it. Our best hope is that other news organizations will pick it up now.

[NoKingGeorge]

37. Sent thank you to Joey and producers. nt

[TNOE]

39. Afternoon Kick

THANKS TO ALL WHO WROTE - TO THOSE WHO HAVEN'T - PLEASE DO SO!

[Kanary]

41. If it was that big, what can we expect now?

Bin Laden to suddenly appear?

Another attack? (Raising the threat level is too old-hat.... won't work anymore..)

What do they have up their sleeve for something like this?

Kanary

[TNOE]

42. I don't know - but I do expect they are in a state of panic

Another attack? Would be too obvious.....

Raising the threat level - everyone is ammune to it now - nobody care

I think they're done - anything they'd try to do at this point would get them nowhere. Too many people are on to them - anything resembling a 9/11 would bring out the masses IMO.

[Kanary]

46. I guess you're more optomistic than I am

For the sake of all of us, I will hope that you are 100% correct!

Kanary

[DoYouEverWonder]

63. I bet the rest of the WH is in a state of panic

while W just gets drunker and drunker.

[juajen]

66. Maybe this is the plan

It's called, in police speak, "grab and run." Or, something like that. I mean, a dem comes in and straightens out their mess and gets the money flowing again. They dis the dem and get elected; grab the money and disappear, only to rear their heads again when there is something to grab. They've about bankrupted us now, so in comes the knight on a white horse who cleans it all up for them to begin again. Am I a cynic? YEAH.

[napi21]

43. Scarborough show

I did send an email to Joe, but I also noticed when I went to his page on MSNBC that you can read transcripts of previous shows.

The most recent one there right now is 1/26 (Monday) so it appears to take 2 days to get the transcript posted. I didn't find any video, but we sure can all wait 2 days and go back and read it when it's posted.

The link to read previous show transcripts is"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

[Kanary]

47. That's good to know

I'll look for it, and send the transcript on to some friends.

Thanks for posting this!

Kanary

[laruemtt]

48. i just e-mailed him also.

i told him last nite was actually the first time i had ever watched his show and i watched because ms. mariani was on.

[proud patriot]

49. Is there a Transcript or Video Available ?

wholly Moley :wow:

Got to hand it to Joe for airing this .

I Chalked in very large Letters on my Car

I Support 911 widow Ellen Mariani vs. Bush Knew
(takes up the whole lower part of the back window
of my Station Wagon)

[TNOE]

51. Not Yet

Takes a couple of days - I will be awaiting anxiously also.

[Snappy]

58. Sent an email.

In spite of the fact that I disagree with Joe on about everything, I watch his show often. He is often amusing and actually kinda likeable.

[graphixtech]

59. touching photo

(Ellen and Neil Mariani on their 25th Anniversary)


Ellen Mariani and Phil Berg Speak to KANSAS CITY
on February 22 !

Sunday, Feb. 22nd, an historic event will take place in
Kansas City. 9-11 widow, Ellen Mariani, whose husband Neil was
killed in the WTC attacks of 9-11-2001, will be in Kansas City
throughout the day to share her dramatic story with the
Midwest. She will be joined by the former Deputy Attorney General of
Pennsylvania, Phil Berg, who is representing Ellen in this historic
case vs. Bush et al.

Featured Events:
- 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM - Unity Temple on the Plaza at
707 W. 47th Street. Accompanying her will be her
attorney, Philip Berg, former Deputy Attorney General
of Pennsylvania.
- 4:00 PM she will be at the KC Iraq Task Force Vigil at the the
Plaza Fountains at 47th Street and Main.
To learn more about Ellen Mariani's historic
lawsuit, visit www.septembereleventh.org.

http://septembereleventh.org
911visibility.org

(Be sure to attend!)

[rocktivity]

61. First he's nice to Symbolman, and now this!?!?!?!?!

rocknation

[YNGW]

62. I'll believe it when I see it.

Saw that part of the show and it was OK. I thought he treated them like tin-foil hatters myself, just kind of a "let them keep talking and bury themselves" attitude. Maybe I've just seen the way he operates too often.

Personally, I doubt she'll get anywhere with her lawsuit.

[pacifictiger]

64. the other thing that just happened

was chris matthews let dean speak uninterrupted - yes I know, unbelievable! It was great to hear him speak in a common sense way about the republicans foreign policy record for the last 30 years and the mess we've created, citing central america, afghanistan and reagan years iraq, by enabling bad guys because they were an enemy of our enemy. Finally!!

[Dover]

68. Is there a transcript?

Would like to hear or see more about what was actually said.
Thanks.

[Doctor Panacea]

65. Scarborough

I missed that Scarborough show. Well, I missed it because I really cannot stand the creep, and only rarely can bring myself to stomach him. (I also force myself to watch a little of HANNITY & COLMES from time to time.)

However, it sounds as if Scarborough actually did something good — for once.

I am skeptical that this lawsuit will ever go anywhere. BushCo is mean and powerful.

It has always seemed peculiar to me that fighter jets were not up and in pursuit very quickly. But then there was that ridiculous period of many hours when Bush was flying all over the country, as if some turbo-charged Al-Qaeda crop duster would overtake him. We have an enormous Air Force, but the pResident had to go on the lam, like Bonnie and Clyde, instead of just letting the Air Force protect him?

As much as I really do have a conspiratorial interpretation of many events of the last half-century, I tend to think that the BushCo people were all just bumbling idiots.

[Cat Atomic]

67. Why does everyone change their opinions of people so quick

around here? Scarborough is the same conservative, corporate media whore he was two days ago, you know. He runs one story (that I seriously doubt anyone else will pick up on), and suddenly everyone's talking about how they always liked him.

I didn't see the whole thing, but what I did see didn't seem like anything more than Scarborough trying to shock his audience.

Joseph Scarborough is not a journalist, and he's certainly not a trustworthy man. He's still a prick.

[T Bone]

69. maybe they are getting ready to cancel Joe

so they let him run with a few semi-liberal shows to get DU all stoked up about him, just so they can dash our hopes once more?

Wouldn't put it past them.

[PaDUer]

73. Don't forget Joe's opening sentence

to Phil about him suing the govt before...

[Sliverofhope]

70. kick n/t

kick

[Doctor_J]

71. I will send him some e-mail

He's had a couple decent guests to whom he's behaved civilly lately. Let's let him know he can double his audience by actually being "Fair & Balanced"

[KoKo]

75. I can't believe that Scarborough has changed spots, but it's still great

news. I worry about this, though. Scarborough is one mean vicious winger and he had that intern who died in his office and shortly after decides not to run for he House again in Fla., but then gets that job on MSRNC. I couldn't watch him he was so bad.

But, he was quiet when Symbolman was on and I missed the Mariani/Berg piece so who knows what's up with that! Very curious. I can't wait to read the transcript!