Dumping Cheney?

[Plaid Adder]

I heard a rumor they are thinking about dropping Cheney from the 2004 ticket (pleading his declining health) and substituting Giuliani. Can this be true? Anybody know anything abotu this?

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

1. Here ya go

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17686

[Amager]

12. Pretty scathing article on Cheney

[cjbuchanan]

2. Here is a link

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4065772/

on a side note, due to the subject line, I was expecting a really bad picture of a dumping Cheney.

[Plaid Adder]

13. Thanks!

I agree it would be worse for us not to have Cheney on the ticket...but imagine what actually replacing him with someone like Guiliani would mean. Dissension in the ranks would be the least of it.

Plus, I don't see Cheney allowing himself to be shunted aside like that. I read his more recent/nutty interviews as him getting frustrated that he's been (from his POV) working his ass off to keep Bush afloat since 2000 and not gotten any of the credit for it. Look for him to break that no-gloating-till-Bond-is-dead rule that supervillains have so much trouble with, sometime soon, I say.

Moohoohahaha,

THe Plaid Adder

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

3. Seems that the radical we all saw Dick for

is showing through his sheep suit to the conservative base. I can just see the bumperstickers - BUSH/RICE '04.

[bryant69]

4. I've heard that rumor too

I dont' think it will be Giuliani myself. He's got his own fan base, and he is pretty far from the Republican Base. But everybody in American (with the possible exception of Dick Cheney) knows that Cheney can never ever ever run for president. So the idea of getting someone in who can run in 2008, well that's pretty possible. But I think if they do it they are going to want a more conservative person as opposed to a more moderate.

But what do I know? (which is my new catchphrase. Look for it on tee shirts coming in the year 2035).

Bryant
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[Shananigans]

5. Ugh...that would be horrible...

If he ran with Guiliani then I think it would DEFINATELY make him harder to beat. It seems like half the nation looks at Guiliani as the biggest 9-11 hero. Hell, his documentary was one of the most watched of the year....

*sigh*

[hobbes159]

6. Would it really help * to have Guilliani?

With Cheney, they could keep Cheney out of sight for the most part and let him run things (Read Suskin's new book on Paul O'Neill if you still think Bush* is in charge...); Bush never has to be compared directly to Cheney....

Guilliani is very popular, so they'd have to trot him out a lot, but at the same time, he would make Bush* look like an idiot in comparison...

[Shananigans]

8. True Dat...

but still. Guiliani is pretty darn liberal... If he wasn't paired with Bush *I'd* consider voting for him...

(She said as she washed her mouth out with soap)

[napi21]

10. Cheny is a problem

I heard this rumor too. He's becoming more of a problem every day! I doubt that Guilliani would take a second spot though. He's got a pretty big ego which I think would get in the way. I don't believe he would be happy with a second place.

It is true however, that he would be a BIG asset to Bush.

Guess we'll see.

[tinrobot]

16. Problem is, Rudy is actually electable...

The Bushies apparently like their VPs very unelectable. Would anyone ever vote for Cheney or Quayle for president?

If they run Guiliani, he's a direct threat to Jeb in 2008. Plus he'll hog the spotlight from Junior. They'll never do it.

[DemNoir]

7. There was an MSNBC report about this

It looks like they are at least floating a trial balloon on the subject.
I cant believe they would turn to Giuliani, with his pro-choice, pro-gay rights stance and history of affairs, the base would never accept it.

If this is true there most be a war going on within the administration. Perhaps Rove has to plan to blame all ills on Cheney, painting our beloved leader as an innocent dupe.

[Wonco_the_Sane]

9. Worst case senerio...

to me would be if he switched for someone more moderate. Powell for instance. Hope he sticks with Dick Heart attack and crashes and burns.

[lovedems]

11. If he picked pro-chioce, adulterer Guliani he could kiss his fundies

buh-bye! I don't think they would vote dem, they wouldn't vote. Yes, Guiliani was the 9-11 hero but prior to that, the man was a disgrace and there is alot to be "exploited". I am not saying that they won't do it, but it would be a risky move.

Edit: My in-laws are fundies who are one issue voters (pro-life) and they would be appalled! Most of * base are the evangelical christians. There aren't that many billionaires to make up for the support of losing the fundies.

[WildClarySage]

14. My gut tells me that if someone is replaced, it would be

shrub. Yes, he has the fundie vote, but is becoming a liability to the man REALLY in charge. And Cheney will not go quietly into that good heart attack. * seem to have strong public support, but the reality is that he's very vulnerable to a democratic candidate. I'm not sure who the GOP would try to replace him with- but I can envision Jeb stepping up to state that his brother has cancer or something and he's graciously going to cover for him as prez or some bs like that.

[Toby109]

15. Well if they did replace Cheney,

it would have to be someone Jeb can beat in '08. Either someone else who won't/can't run or a sacrificial lamb. I'm thinking that adds up to Condi.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

17. see post #3

:)

[Dulcinea]

18. Not gonna happen.

Giuliani has too big of an ego to play second fiddle to Boy George or anyone else. And the fundies would never accept a divorced, pro-choice Catholic.

[Nay]

19. For a long time, I thought the powers that be were going to replace Bush.

But it's getting kinda late in the game to do that, unless he "becomes ill" or something. They've gotta have something up their sleeves. I just don't know what it is.

[LeahMira]

20. Cheney might decide to dump Bush...

... which would be a more likely scenario in terms of the PNAC agenda. But Bush brings in the fundies. Still, if Bush keeps on with the legal aliens ideas and omigosh... funding the NEA, he may find himself out in the cold. A new puppet they can always get.