Anybody know whether David Kay is a PNAC member?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

just wondering

[stopthegop]

1. people here don't like what he says..

so he must be...
</sarcasm off>

[buycitgo]

2. so........do YOU like what he says?

just curious

[stopthegop]

3. if it's true, it doesn't matter whether I like it..

I was more commenting on the occasional tendency to blame everything up to and including bad first dates on PNAC, Bush, Cheney et al..that's all

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

5. I didn't say he was - I was asking a question

so there's no need for sarcasm

[stopthegop]

7. not directed at you...

more at the general culture of seeing PNAC under every bed...

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

8. There's definately a good deal of that going on

no doubt. Didn'y mean to sound touchy - I'm highly caffeinated right now!!!

[stopthegop]

9. we like caffeine...caffeine is our FRIEND!! n/t.

[Postman]

17. Give me a break. PNAC just does happen to exist, are you blind?

and it's not like the ones criticizing Bush didn't have the best teachers in the world. Remember the 1990's? It was Clinton this and Clinton did that. It was really amazing to hear. I mean Clinton could turn water into wine, you'd think he was responsible for the sinking of the Titanic for Christ's sake. And I didn't like Clinton myself. He certainly was no liberal. No liberal would have signed NAFTA.

[Frank Rose]

4. A little information

This shows he was on the inspection team after Gulf War Part 1,

http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/105/documentid/344/history/3,653,105,344

more on the same here.

http://www.senate.gov/~gov_affairs/030102kay.htm

And this talks about Science Applications International Corp., a company he headed at on time and their ties to the Govt.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&ddlC=51

Some interesting stuff, but no real direct tie to pnac that I could find.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

6. Thanks

[hang a left]

15. From what I have read SAIC=MIC

[izzie]

10. When I put his name in on that site it did not come up

So guess not.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

11. Thank you

[GreyV]

12. PNAC?

Maybe not on paper, but from his rhetoric and twisted anti-muslim and anti-anybody-in-my-way ideology which he tends to spout almost robotically every chance he gets, then yes he is. There are more PNAC sympathizers and neoconservatives out there than you think.

[durutti]

13. No.

However, he definitely *is* allied closely with the neoconservatives (having spoken at their events and such) and he knowingly helped the U.S. use the inspections to spy.

[lostnfound]

14. According to this comprehensive list -- no.

But by the way I don't think "member" is the right word to use -- I don't think it's a "membership" organization.
"Signatories" to the various documents is more correct.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/charts/pnac-chart_body.htm

[YNGW]

16. Found this to be interesting.

Don't know if it means he's PNAC or not.

Here's some of his opening words to the Senate Armed Services Committee:

"In the course of doing that, I had innumerable analysts who came to me in apology that the world that we were finding was not the world that they had thought existed and that they had estimated. Reality on the ground differed in advance.

And never--not in a single case--was the explanation, "I was pressured to do this." The explanation was very often, "The limited data we had led one to reasonably conclude this. I now see that there's another explanation for it."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/

He's arguing against the charges that inaccurate intelligence estimates were the product of political manipulation by the White House. I don't know if that means he's covering or not.

[Postman]

18. Ofcourse he's covering, just listen to what he's saying and compare that

to what Ray McGovern has said about the cooking of the NIE.

Compare Kay's statements with Scott Ritter's.

Kay is running cover for these criminals in the White House