Bill Clinton and Iraq

[dennis4868]

The repubs and media whores keep saying, "well Clinton said the same thing about Iraq's WMD threat as President Bush." There are 2 things wrong with this statement:

1. President Clinton never described the Iraqi WMD threat on the same level as Bush and with as much certainty. Clinton never said that we could be attacked in 45 minutes and that Saddam had connections to terrorist groups. Clinton never used the word "mushroom cloud." I hope you get my point here.

2. Yes, Clinton said that Saddam could have WMD programs. And when Saddam did not allow the UNSCOM inspectors in some locations in Iraq in 1998....Clinton then bombed those locations and other parts of Iraq that intelligence and the inspectors believe contained WMDs. Clinton did all of this (Desert Fox) without one US soldier dieing. Most of the military, UN inspectors and our intelligence believed that after 1998 (and with the help of the Gulf War and UNSCOM)we destroyed 90% - 95% of Iraq's WMD and its programs and infrastructure. So yes, Clinton did say that Iraq most likely had some WMD but then he did something about it by destroying whatever was remaining.

It does not make any logical sense for the Repubs and media whores to say Clinton said the same thing as the Bush WH with regards to WMD vecause: (1) Clinton did not, and (2) he bombed Iraq for 5 days in 1998 to destroy whatever was left over.

Am I making sense here because I have not heard many others making this argument.

[wuushew]

1. Clinton needs to be more vocal addressing the criticisms against him

His commentary could swing public opinion on the outcome of BadIntelligenceGate.

Yet all I hear is silence

[Philosophy]

5. I haven't heard anything from him in months

Must have a new girlfriend or something.

[dennis4868]

6. I saw Big Dog...

on C-SPAN last week at the world economic summett...he got a standing ovation while Cheney put everyone to sleep...

[HootieMcBoob]

12. He met with senior Dems last week

to give them advice on how to win back the white house, the house, and the senate. Enough with the "must have a new girlfriend or something" crap. That just plays into the hands of the RNC and you know they're reading what we write and loving it whenever somebody says something like that.

[sweetladybug]

2. I agree and you make alot of sense to me.

Republicans will try to twist and turn things around so that "it's Clinton's fault" (they always put the blame onto others because they can't take responsibility for their own actions.) BUSH AND HIS BUDDIES KNEW exactly what they were doing by going into Iraq and THEY KNEW what weapons Iraq had(which was zero). These people turn my stomach.
RE-ELECT A DEMOCRAT 2004!!!!

[RobertSeattle]

3. I also have another point on this

I think Clinton would have "loved" to have been a wartime President (aka FDR, Truman) if history had thrust a "Just War" on him. But he looked at the Intel, knew Saddam was contained, weak, and was just spending his money building grandiouse palaces to himself.

[dennis4868]

4. I agree with you....

By the way, I did a Lexis/Nexis check on statements made by repubs in congress during Desert Fox and it is too funny...most repubs were saying that Clinton was bombing Iraq because to take away attention from MonicaGate and that Iraq does not possess a threat to anyone.....I would laugh if it was not so sad.

[RobertSeattle]

11. You ought to post the Desert Fox comments

Sounds like good Ammo.

[HootieMcBoob]

13. Yes please

post whatever you have. I would love to have that stuff as ammo. Not many of us have access to lexis/Nexis.

[dennis4868]

15. Been trying to login into Lexis....

site seems to be down...will post it when the site goes back up.....sorry for the delay....

[lovedems]

7. All of this Clinton talk from the repugs is just really old to me.

They invoke his name at their leisure. Clinton stole from the WH, Clinton wanted regime change, Clinton was a draft dodger. Clinton has been out of office for 3 years. Whatever good he did for this country has been undone by the crooks. They have spent the past three years going in the opposite direction of Clinton and they have been doing it intentionally. Now we are suppose to believe they actually followed Clinton's Iraq plan???? Yeah right.

The best thing the dems could do right now is get Madeline Albright out on the circuit. She knew what the policies were and she will set the people straight. I saw her on Charlie Rose a month or so ago and she was great. She is a smart lady who doesn't put up with shit.

[rainy]

8. The difference is:

Clinton acted to protect americans. He didn't invade to illegally occupy another nation and steal its natural resources. Bush invaded Iraq to profit his cronies and solve energy problem.

[macdevo]

9. Well he did mention WMD

Clinton did mention WMD. Far be it from me to protect the repukes and monkeyboy, but Clinton did say this:

"And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them."

Just thought I'd mention that.

[dennis4868]

10. Right....

that is my point....and aftre he said that Clinton bombed the hell out of Iraq for 5 staright days in Desert Fox and destroyed the WMD programs by just about all accounts. So it is really meaningless to know what Clinton had to say because he destroyed their WMD programs in Desert Fox. After Desert Fox most intelligence communities believed we destroyed %90-%95 of their WMD. So what is the logic of the repubds and media whores (i.e., wolf blitzer)to tell people what Clinton had to say about Iraq's WMD before Clinton bombed them and destroyed it?

[HootieMcBoob]

16. shot and

score. :toast:

[dennis4868]

14. I just saw it again....

Senator Pat Roberts and Rummy together said that Clinton was saying in 1998 that "we cannot allow Saddam to have WMD...." When will a Dem attack back and say "that is why we bombed Iraq in 1998 and so what was the reason we invaded in 2003?"

[HootieMcBoob]

17. The republican attack machine is just much more coordinated

and vast than ours. We have to stay on top of this. Write to every news organization that lets this crap get by without it being refuted. We are the new silent majority and we have to start speaking up for ourselves.

[dennis4868]

18. I agree.....

but I have not heard one Dem on TV answer back and say that after Clinton made the statements about Iraq's WMD he bombed Sadaam for 5 staright days and by almost all accounts pretty much destroyed all of Saddam's WMD (just ask Scott Ritter). For example, last night Joe Scarborough tells Tweety that Clinton said the same thing about Iraq anfd WMD and then Dee Dee Myers give some lame answer and acting very defensive. Whst is it about the Dem talking heads....are they simply uninformed? Stupid?

[Taeger]

19. REGIME CHANGE

Yes, Clinton did have a policy of regime change.

For reference, the US has had a policy of regime change in Cuba for 40 years. We haven't invaded yet.

Oh yeah, and we also have a ONE China policy. But there are two Chinas.