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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:13 AM Original message |
Unions: Dying relics of the past or needed more than ever? |
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GreenPartyVoter
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. Needed more than ever! |
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Taeger
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
107. NEEDED MORE THAN EVER!!!! (nm) |
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Screaming Lord Byron
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. Real unions who stand up for the workers? - Needed |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. A Union is only |
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Screaming Lord Byron
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yeah. The unions need to be reorganized and revitalized |
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Davis_X_Machina
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. ....the relationship between management and the employees? |
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Iverson
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. a couple of thoughts |
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enki23
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
57. the only recourse may be to globalize labor |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. It is probably |
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madrchsod
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
5. i was |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Why do you think the factory workers |
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GreenPartyVoter
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I think it's the company line |
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salin
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. They ought to compare their wages to union wages |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. To be fair |
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prolesunited
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Fri Feb-06-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
149. Here's actual facts |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Fri Feb-06-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #149 |
172. As I said |
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LeahMira
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
69. Not really either one... |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Hehe I worked at the mill too! |
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maveric
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
87. "Bread and Roses". Interesting union story from my hometown. |
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LatteLib
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. Like you, I grew up in NW Indiana and my father was a union |
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Jose Diablo
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The outlawing of sympathy strikes |
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ret5hd
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
9. my answers: |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
11. They've gone too far |
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GreenPartyVoter
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Welcome out of lurkdom |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Thanks for registering |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. This topic interests me immensely-- |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I have to leave for work now |
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Odessey
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
136. Walmart, unions |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. I'm sorry that America has come so far backward |
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yankeedem
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #136 |
162. Take a look at what you said |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Congrats to them for turning down |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Not sure about numbers . . . |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. A perfect example of a company |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Nope. |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Post a link plz |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Sorry, don't have a link |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:56 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. I know it isn't folklore |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. "Attacked" the victim???? |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Not all dangers are obvious to all. |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. There is really only so much a company can do |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. "no loss-time accidents for that quarter" |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Safety & summer jobs |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Hiring preference clauses are in most contracts |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Actually, we don't agree |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Did the company sign the contract? |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. What? |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. It is always a management decision to hire new help. |
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Odessey
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
138. OH PLEASE! |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. No I want a mile for you! |
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ramapo
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Responsible unions are needed |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Sounds more like folklore to me |
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ret5hd
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. In reply to: ..did a lot of good in the past, but they're no longer needed |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. You could be right |
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ret5hd
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #37 |
51. OSHA has been raped of money and power |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. "fines initially levied and the fines actually paid" |
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rman
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
52. no protection needed wrt overtime, outsourcing, low wage replacement? |
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alarimer
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. "Nickel and Dimed" |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. My college student son had to read that book |
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IrateCitizen
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Because Wal-Mart is vehemently anti-union, anti-employee |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Questions |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. It is about more than money |
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jmowreader
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #101 |
144. Was it Wal-Mart or Gillette that initiated the RFID thing? |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Wal-Mart commits billions to RFID |
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wvnatv
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #97 |
118. What is a living wage? |
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rhino47
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:17 AM Response to Reply #97 |
150. Well 7.20 is considered a living wage . |
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prolesunited
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #150 |
164. No link in your post |
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mac56
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
102. Wal-Mart famously locked horns with meatcutter's union in Texas. |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
132. I'm glad that you and your son |
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Unforgiven
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
17. Union, Yes! |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. Unions must change to survive |
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Gringo
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Millions with degrees work for a pittance |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Have you ever gotten fan mail? ;-) |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Self interest |
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pmbryant
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. "Union of one" |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Quality individuals CAN do better |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. NOT true |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Yes, true |
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IrateCitizen
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. I'd say it's in keeping with your general philosophy, Muddle... |
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cryofan
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
100. Also, most of us here look at it from a STATISTICAL perspective... |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
103. That's a fair way to put it |
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pmbryant
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. You work at the mercy of your employer |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
104. You are at everyone's mercy |
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pmbryant
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. This doesn't make sense to me |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Matter of perspective |
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pmbryant
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Isn't union leadership elected? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Only sort of |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Hogwash |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. So why is that hogwash |
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cryofan
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. Self perception and reality usually not the same |
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Gringo
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
20. Dying, but needed more than ever |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
21. If the Democratic Party won't support Unions |
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cosmicdot
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
26. needed more than ever |
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OneTwentyoNine
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
27. Always,always blame the Union for a companies troubles.... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:32 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. yep |
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Lab Owner
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:43 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Yes, but-- |
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pmbryant
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. That is not realistic |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. that's a fantasy, do you know anything about how this works? |
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
32. Unions are a lifeline for all workers. Needed MORE THAN EVER. |
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
40. I come from a family of union members.... |
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pmbryant
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
42. I'm in a completely non-unionized field |
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
44. The growth and spread of unions in America |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Closed shops |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. What about exclusive contracts? Are you against those too? |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:05 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Closed shops are a myth |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "Johnny Individual" |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Nice fantasy |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. so, you will never hire a lawyer then? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. False comparison |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:41 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. false comparison |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. All three not true |
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Deleted message |
LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:43 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Not fantasy, it is the LAW. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. My point exactly |
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OneTwentyoNine
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
135. But you'd take the Union negiotated pay scale right?? |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:00 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. Scabs of the highest order. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Fri Feb-06-04 08:29 AM Response to Reply #135 |
153. I apply where there ISN'T a union |
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mac56
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
98. Not a fantasy. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Not hardly |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. They do NOT take dues |
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
90. yeah, that's why the commuters prefer to cut their own roads to work, |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. rotflmao |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. What are you? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. It depends on your definition of common good |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Oh good grief, not this old salt again. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. Oh, I forgot |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. I have got a pretty good idea what handbook you |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. What handbook would that be? |
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IrateCitizen
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:15 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. It's the libertarian handbook, Muddle |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. My views are very much a mixed bag |
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IrateCitizen
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. If you say so, Muddle. If you say so. |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Knock yourself out |
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WhoCountsTheVotes
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #127 |
139. "I am NOT dogmatic" |
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cryofan
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Let each man or woman choose his/her own dogma? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #121 |
154. Hubris |
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cryofan
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Fri Feb-06-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #154 |
170. But just where is the middle of the road? |
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Muddleoftheroad
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Fri Feb-06-04 07:59 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. I live in America |
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cryofan
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #173 |
182. being a superpower == brainwashing citizens so that they will pay for |
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enki23
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
53. more than ever |
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leftofthedial
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Thu Feb-05-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
67. needed more than ever |
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skippysmom
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'm in a union |
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Cat Atomic
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
73. Capital is more organized than ever. |
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IrateCitizen
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. You're talking general strikes, right -- like before Taft-Hartley? |
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Cat Atomic
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
116. Yes- exactly. |
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K-W
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Thu Feb-05-04 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
74. Not so much dying as being killed. |
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BiggJawn
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Thu Feb-05-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
88. I'd join again in a heartbeat. |
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Xithras
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Thu Feb-05-04 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
95. Answers |
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ContinentalOp
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Thu Feb-05-04 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
120. We need new unions... |
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IrateCitizen
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. The only way more people will realize the importance of unions |
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kcwayne
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
124. Unions cannot fix the problems in the US |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #124 |
131. Thats a real sad story |
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kcwayne
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Their goal is not to take food off your table |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:07 PM Response to Reply #133 |
143. That is a grand vision for America you got there. |
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kcwayne
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:50 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. I am not articulating a vision |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Thu Feb-05-04 09:57 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. You say the jobs would be gone either way, |
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kcwayne
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Thu Feb-05-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. There are multiple balls in play |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #148 |
155. I can not let the spin slip through. |
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kcwayne
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #155 |
157. I don't think I am making myself clear |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #157 |
166. You think there is no labor mgmt strife at a non union factory? |
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kcwayne
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Fri Feb-06-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #166 |
169. Sure there is strife at non-union plants |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. Yep, Never worked NON |
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kcwayne
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Fri Feb-06-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. I am not real sure about non-union shops |
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pmbryant
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Fri Feb-06-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #148 |
156. "Unions are futile voices..." |
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kcwayne
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Fri Feb-06-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. No one wants the solution |
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Jose Diablo
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Fri Feb-06-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #165 |
168. The end game |
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Ksec
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Thu Feb-05-04 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
129. Nobody has the right to tell me not to assemble |
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prolesunited
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Thu Feb-05-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
134. Myths and facts about unions |
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OneTwentyoNine
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Thu Feb-05-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. LearJet tried a little experiment back in the mid-eighties... |
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dawn
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Fri Feb-06-04 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
151. I'm in a non-unionized industry. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
152. needed now for the same reason they were needed then! |
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Cary
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
158. I have many small business clients who have been screwed by unions. |
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Cleita
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Farm workers make double minimum wage in my area. |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #158 |
167. How are theese SBs coming into contact with labor? |
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Cleita
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Fri Feb-06-04 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
159. I always made more money working in a union job, but |
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Nikia
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
161. It could be a good thing or bad thing at my plant |
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pmbryant
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Fri Feb-06-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. Some questions |
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Nikia
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #163 |
177. Perhaps I don't fully understand unions |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. No one in this world |
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Nikia
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:56 PM Response to Reply #179 |
184. They are under pressure to keep labor costs down |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. You are under-staffed indeed |
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Nikia
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Sat Feb-07-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #185 |
188. Well. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:26 PM Response to Reply #161 |
178. Businesses aren't supposed to "really try to make employees happy" |
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Nikia
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. Making employees happy is a "new" management strategy |
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:54 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. no, they've been saying that forever, at least since the 1920s |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 10:28 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. BAM WCTV |
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LincolnMcGrath
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Fri Feb-06-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. Can you do your job well? |
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Fri Feb-06-04 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
171. An era like this is what created the unions.. more than ever. |
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Fri Feb-06-04 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
176. Unions... |
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Eroshan
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Fri Feb-06-04 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
180. Definitely needed more than ever |
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