LINK to Tenet Speech at 9:30 AM Eastern

[underpants]

It should be on the top one C-Span

http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=

[alcuno]

1. Can't watch or listen.

If he says something "juicy" I'd love to know.

[Cooley Hurd]

2. I thought he was going to testify in front of the...

...Armed Services committee.

Why a college speech?

[veganwitch]

3. its easier??

nt

[Cooley Hurd]

4. Lying to a college crowd isn't illegal...

...but lying to Congress is.

Tenet says the game of intel is never completely right or completely wrong...

[librechik]

76. makes a good excuse for the networks not to cover it.

only a few of us heard him.

[Minstrel Boy]

5. On CNN too. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Tenet: "Intel estimate stated Saddam brutal dictator..."

"...he gassed his own people, blah blah blah"

Tenet falls on his sword.

That's all she wrote - he's backing up the chimp. :grr:

[underpants]

7. "we are never completely right or completely wrong"

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[underpants]

8. "analysts never said there was an imminent threat"

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[underpants]

9. "No one told us what to say or how to say it"

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[Cooley Hurd]

10. Ha! He's bringing up that pathetic Unmanned Aerial Vehicle...

...saying it could threaten Iraq's neighbors.

That's why Saudi Arabia, Israel, and every one of its neighbors weren't worried... :eyes:

[underpants]

11. Said plans were in place and could dispense Biological weapons

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[salin]

36. but there were also reports that most of the weapons

(bio and chemical) had been destroyed by 1998 through UN weapons inspector efforts... and there was no evidence/intel that was verifiable to suggest new production...

[underpants]

45. He cited "Intent" a lot

Take that for what it is worth.

[salin]

71. funny how that isn't how he and bushco presented

the case for war in Sept/Oct 2002 through March 2003.

[underpants]

12. Secrets talks with North Korea were taking place

not for nukes (I don't think) just the missiles

[underpants]

13. Can't say what the aluminum tubes were for

But Sadam WANTED Nuke capabilities.

[salin]

34. ah but your folks and the DOE (energy) folks

were able to do intel (same time frame) that did point to the inappropriateness of the tubing for nuke centrifuges.... and the fact that they were consistent with use for general (non nuke) weaponry.

[salin]

32. which is why we supressed information about nkorea nukes

until after the IWR vote... so that focus would be on the faux threat instead of the real threat with regards to wmd. :eyes:

[underpants]

14. Post '96 Iraq reorganized to hide and be able to quickly deploy Bios

but no evidence that they actually did any of this and no weapons found.

[underpants]

15. Trailers-no consensus on them Human elements directed them there

Some Iraqis told they were to be used for artillery but Iraqi officer said hydrogen came in cans from a plant.

[Cooley Hurd]

25. Bringing up the son-in-law and says...

...son-in-law PROVED that Iraq had WMD's (leaving out that son-in-law also said that WMD's were destroyed).

What a fuckwit...

[Mari333]

16. Rovian speechwriters same old BS

How many times are they going to trot out this BS speech????
Tenet is going to have a LUCRATIVE job when he resigns.
The blood of our young men and women in Uniform is on HIS hands today.
May he rot in hell with the rest of this evil empire.
It would be nice to see this picked apart by a REAL patriot in the CIA.
One can only hope someone has the balls to counter him .

[underpants]

17. Many discrepancies with human intel from before the war

but that they surely were trying to reconstitute.

[Flubadubya]

Same old "Cover Bush's Ass" humdrum...

This is really pathetic. We are living in a very dark age... :grr: :mad:

[underpants]

18. Chem weapons-they thought he had them community skeptical

[underpants]

19. aerial photos made many believe they were making Chems

[underpants]

21. No weapons have been found WE NEED MORE TIME

Another of his provisional bottom lines.

[Mari333]

28. we need more time is what the UN said

but Tenets little frat boy demanded we go to war to keep PNAC happy..
Tenet=LIAR and shill .
someone please counter this bastard and pick his BS apart.

[displacedtexan]

20. Constantly citing Iraqi officers

And we all know how credible (not) these captured/ paid off individuals are.

I keep hoping for one brave soul in the audience to jump up and challenge this crap.

[demgrrrll]

27. The big question is WHY does he continue to cover for Bush.

Maybe it is a job, maybe it is something else.

[proud patriot]

83. Because

Tenet met the head of the ISI on Sept.10th 2001 that's
why .

[salin]

42. if we are talking about prewar intelligence... which officers

were they talking to for this intelligence?

[underpants]

22. Reliable source said inspectors would not stop Saddam

master of deception

[underpants]

23. Scientists "Dabbling" in Chem weapons

[underpants]

24. Using oil for food and insecticide plants to make weapons.

[underpants]

26. Said source was called reliable by foreign countries

No mention of who the source was or what countries said it was credible.

[Timefortruth]

30. How can that source still be considered reliable?nt

[underpants]

29. "When the truth emerges we will tell the American people NO MATTER WHAT"

Hard to come to any other conclusions than they reached.

[salin]

44. just like you are doing now, Mr. Tenet?

:eyes:

[underpants]

31. Did Saddam's history cause us to disregard alternative explanations?

[underpants]

33. Under inhouse review

[Flubadubya]

35. The world according to Tenet....

NOBODY is to blame. We all got bad info. Don't blame the CIA, don't blame the pResident. Just move on... nothing to see here.

When will the American people no longer put up with this outrageous crap?!

[underpants]

39. "Such is the nature of our business"

He lead off with that and said it again

[underpants]

37. Blanket indictive of our human sources is DEAD WRONG

Funny just earlier he said that they indeed had relied on an unreliable source but over all I guess it was okay. :shrug:

Citing info and results gained from human intelligence

When you hear pundits say we don't have human resources they don't know what they are talking about-~~~ quote.

[underpants]

40. Human sources into LYBIAN supply line key to Lybian admitting

nuke program was a weapon program.

He just went of for several minutes on how effective human resources were in bringing Lybia to face up and give away WMD.

[Oilwellian]

38. Seeing the scrolling underpants

under each of Tenet's quotes is perfect. I thought he was appearing before the Senate today.

[underpants]

43. Gone now

They had my head spinning like....well like Tenet.

[BlueEyedSon]

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is pretty much what i hear....
wonder where the buck will really stop?

[underpants]

48. Speech is over

Phew I need a smoke break. I hope I got all that right or at least got the gist of it.

Oh crap QUESTIONS!

[PATRICK]

46. Leaves the Executive out

and defends their judgment, qualifies the quality of Intel like crazy and says we are not done looking yet, Mr. Kay.

Of course he doesn't mind dissing the UN inspectors who actually did the job. Or going back ten years to include Clinton in the mess should one want to raise the obvious question.

Why college students and friendly faces? The loyal and the impressionable and inexperienced to take this homiletic seriously.

So how many people should be slaughtered for "maybes" "coulds" and "eventuallys" when even those determinations are ambiguous at best? Imminence is a dead issue for all his dancing around.

Sounds like a CEO puffing up the portfolio for a stockholders meeting.

Another example of America slanting away from the obvious issue and the painful truth- with pompous irrelevancy and preachy self-justification.

"We need more time," Tenet says, with vague suggestivity.

For us to forget.

[DifferentStrokes]

47. Thank you!

I thought I was the only one watching it. It's on Fox News, too.

My favorite quote: The one about American forces "accidentally" bombing facilities that held chemical weapons during Gulf I.

He welcomes the President's commission on WMDs. Well, sure, if the results are guaranteed in advance.

Need more time? Does that mean they could have waited before sending troops to Iraq?

[gulfcoastliberal]

58. OSP - "No Facts Shaded"

Yeah right! Way to dodge the question.

[salin]

72. at the time we were told... there was no time

we didn't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud... It was immenent... not about "wmd related program activities", nor solely about "intent"...

These folks think we have NO memory and are all subject to Barnum's line (re: suckers...)

[SoCalDem]

49. Blah,blah,blah.."Let's beat Villanova tonight"

:puke:

that was sure enlightening:eyes:

[underpants]

50. Q:HAs W made America safer with regard to the US and the Muslim world?

[underpants]

51. Over TWO ADMINISTRATIONS we have tried to bring people together

but they have to be willing to sit and discuss blah blah blah

[ElsewheresDaughter]

69. more like 50 years!...NOT "two administrations"

[underpants]

52. IRG has determined Saddam was in material breach of 1441

Iraqi Research Group

[underpants]

53. Q:Difference in US and foreign analysis?

Tenet: We build coalitions too but that no one had another other conclusions going in.

[underpants]

54. Q: Uh -oh asking about OSP

[BlueEyedSon]

56. Heh, you beat me by 1 second!

[underpants]

57. confirm or deny the existence of the OSP?

I am the director of CIA I tell him what the intel community believes. POTUS gets intel from one and only one person and that is me and we do that every day. Other than that I don't know.

[BlueEyedSon]

59. So what the heck is this?

[underpants]

64. The student cited Mother Jones

Tenet laughed and said "Well I haven't read Mother Jones for quite some time"

[Mari333]

66. Chickenhawks in Charge!!!

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks

[underpants]

67. Oh that is hilarious

I'm using it for my sig line.

[Thoth]

87. EXCELLENT flow chart highlighting the OSP

Can you provide a link to the original source article? Thanks much for this. We must hold these liars accountable!

[BlueEyedSon]

55. Uh oh, OSP rears its ugly head

[Flubadubya]

61. Ack! The A**hole denies OSP.

You could tell by looking at him that he was lying through his teeth. He was so adamant about it too.

This matter needs to be investigated very deeply and thoroughly. This is the crux of the charade and would be the undoing of all the lies if it can be revealed.

ARGHH... I HATE THESE PEOPLE!!!

[salin]

75. So he goes on record with this lie....

interesting... either in such a box can't get out (eg no other choice but to lie ala the early iran contra hearings)... or is so arrogant that he believes even telling this very easily controverted lie he will get away with it.

[Flubadubya]

79. Clarification...

He didn't come right out and deny such an office. He simply said that all intelligence to the president came from him (did call himself "the intelligence community") and from nowhere else. Without naming the OSP he did deny that the administration got any information from it by saying that he was the sole source.

I'm sure he was creating himself an "out" by couching the phrasing in such a way, but for all intents and purposes he denied its existence nonetheless... making him a big, stinking liar as far as I am concerned.

[salin]

81. I am not sure that I see the "out" for himself

we know the OSP existed - and it started locking out other intel agencies (from state and DIA); we know that there conclusions - different even from Tenets (eg the niger insertion) and that at least one found its way into SOTU; but he claims he is the sole source of intel for the president? So all bad intel is his? Where is the out... reads to be the ultimate samarai move with the added bonus of cover by denying (at least implicitly) the OSP.

If you see an out - help me see it... I would love to think that he is creating a little room for self-preservation... and thus future revelations... but I can't see it.

[HootieMcBoob]

80. The guy who asked the question shouldn't have said "Mother Jones"

Tenet was able to get a laugh out of it and then go on to deny that he knew anything about it. Also, the guy said Office of Special Programs. I thought it was Office of Special Plans?

[salin]

82. hehe maybe he read my thread from the other day (I made that same

mistake initially... of Programs, instead of Plans)

[underpants]

60. Uh-oh one of them "longhairs" is asking the next questions

Subversive!

[underpants]

62. Damn they just ended it

Rage against the machine looking guy looked like he was ready.

[Skidmore]

63. "Awesome performance" about says it all, doesn't it? nt

[BlueEyedSon]

65. What theater! What acting! What a script!

Isn't it a coincidence? it's on the anniversary of the Colin presentation. Feb 5 should be declared national BS day.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

68. why is he speaking to a bunch of children! dubya tactics ?

why isn't he testifying before Congress instead of children :grr: This is an OUTRAGE! nothing but a fucking MAJOR PR move by Rove/bush* while Tenet and bad Intel are about to be INVESTIGATED!!!! :grr: :grr: :grr:

[berry]

78. Definitely a friendly audience.

Gallucci started off by congratulating the audience for getting tickets to the event. When they gave a standing ovation (after looking mostly glassy-eyed during the speech), I started to wonder what screening process was employed. This was no typical college audience if they swallowed that garbage.

On CNN Pinkus (washington post) said Tenet had defended the CIA, then--just as an afterthought--that he had also defended *. Presumably this was the plan--to keep CIA types happy and head off a general revolt. David Ensor said that the WH had vetted the speech, or at least seen it beforehand. That was an AHA! moment for me. I've been thinking of Tenet as protecting his CIA turf. I now wonder how hand-in-glove he's always been with the *WH. Also mention of how * assured him in 2001 of support for the CIA that Clinton supposedly hadn't given.

I feel like a fool for having hoped for something better. This speech was sickening.

[RichM]

70. Was he defending just the CIA's reputation, or the whole Bush regime?

I couldn't bear to watch it. What was his objective, here?

[underpants]

73. Establish Saddam's intent and reiterate history

Notice that he lead off with "We are never completely right or completely wrong" which again is technically true as with other carefully crafted word games this administration plays in.

[salin]

77. from how it is reported here (by duers watching)

it reads as though he was defending the whole administration. Note the OSP dodge... note the pres ONLY gets his intel from ONE SOURCE (and that is me) (did he really say that?)... by doing so and standing by the faux intel - he is damning the CIA (e.g., we were right to think we were right... and if it was wrong... well we had good reason to think we were right... ala... we were the folks pushing all of the false intel... )

[underpants]

84. Yes salin he realy did say that

His out here could be that he didn't know that the OSP was bringing things in through the side door but then that wouldn't make him a very effective director now would it?

[salin]

85. he closed that door

by rationalizing the intel that is alleged to have been cooked by the OSP. He claimed it as the CIAs.

[librechik]

74. Facts simply don't bear him out, never did.

They were always lying and everyone knows it. Only a few diehards are in this canoe with the Bush gang. And they're headed to Niagara Falls.

[Oilwellian]

86. Tenet needs to go before the Senate Intel Cmte. again

Tenet said in his speech that the NIE report he sent to Congress in October, 2002, had both supportive and questionable intel included so that Congress could get a well rounded view of Iraq's capabilities. That's not how it's explained in the following article:

The Senate Intelligence Committee, in fact, was the greatest congressional obstacle to the administration's push for war. Under the lead of Graham and Illinois Senator Richard Durbin, the committee enjoyed respect and deference in the Senate and the House, and its members could speak authoritatively, based on their access to classified information, about whether Iraq was developing nuclear weapons or had ties to Al Qaeda. And, in this case, the classified information available to the committee did not support the public pronouncements being made by the CIA.

In the late summer of 2002, Graham had requested from Tenet an analysis of the Iraqi threat. According to knowledgeable sources, he received a 25-page classified response reflecting the balanced view that had prevailed earlier among the intelligence agencies--noting, for example, that evidence of an Iraqi nuclear program or a link to Al Qaeda was inconclusive. Early that September, the committee also received the DIA's classified analysis, which reflected the same cautious assessments. But committee members became worried when, midway through the month, they received a new CIA analysis of the threat that highlighted the Bush administration's claims and consigned skepticism to footnotes. According to one congressional staffer who read the document, it highlighted "extensive Iraqi chem-bio programs and nuclear programs and links to terrorism" but then included a footnote that read, "This information comes from a source known to fabricate in the past." The staffer concluded that "they didn't do analysis. What they did was they just amassed everything they could that said anything bad about Iraq and put it into a document."

Graham and Durbin had been demanding for more than a month that the CIA produce an NIE on the Iraqi threat--a summary of the available intelligence, reflecting the judgment of the entire intelligence community--and toward the end of September, it was delivered. Like Tenet's earlier letter, the classified NIE was balanced in its assessments. Graham called on Tenet to produce a declassified version of the report that could guide members in voting on the resolution. Graham and Durbin both hoped the declassified report would rebut the kinds of overheated claims they were hearing from administration spokespeople. As Durbin tells TNR, "The most frustrating thing I find is when you have credible evidence on the intelligence committee that is directly contradictory to statements made by the administration."

On October 1, 2002, Tenet produced a declassified NIE. But Graham and Durbin were outraged to find that it omitted the qualifications and countervailing evidence that had characterized the classified version and played up the claims that strengthened the administration's case for war. For instance, the intelligence report cited the much-disputed aluminum tubes as evidence that Saddam "remains intent on acquiring" nuclear weapons. And it claimed, "All intelligence experts agree that Iraq is seeking nuclear weapons and that these tubes could be used in a centrifuge enrichment program"--a blatant mischaracterization. Subsequently, the NIE allowed that "some" experts might disagree but insisted that "most" did not, never mentioning that the DOE's expert analysts had determined the tubes were not suitable for a nuclear weapons program. The NIE also said that Iraq had "begun renewed production of chemical warfare agents"--which the DIA report had left pointedly in doubt. Graham demanded that the CIA declassify dissenting portions.

In response, Tenet produced a single-page letter. It satisfied one of Graham's requests: It included a statement that there was a "low" likelihood of Iraq launching an unprovoked attack on the United States. But it also contained a sop to the administration, stating without qualification that the CIA had "solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." Graham demanded that Tenet declassify more of the report, and Tenet promised to fax over additional material. But, later that evening, Graham received a call from the CIA, informing him that the White House had ordered Tenet not to release anything more.

(more)http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0630selling.htm

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