Why I doubt Giuliani will be Bush's running mate in 2004

[ButterflyBlood]

1-While Rove no doubt wants to exploit 9/11, this might make it a little too obvious. There's a good chance the people are too stupid to notice, but then come the next reasons:
2-Giuliani has a huge ego. He can't settle for being #2. While that may prop him up for a run in 2008 if the unthinkable happens, it's very unlikely the national GOP will ever nominate someone as liberal as Giuliani, even as an incumbent VP. Look for him to run for Governor in 2006. Pataki will run against Hillary.
3-Giuliani won't guarantte Bush New York, and while it might increase the chances a bit, that just makes Bush's chances slightly higher than a snowball's chance in hell. If someone is completely out of touch with the political climate of a certain state, it doesn't matter who their VP is. Just ask Micheal Dukakis.
4-Giuliani would be an utter disaster when it comes to mobilizing the GOP base. He's even more liberal than Arnold. He's pro-choice, even opposing bans on late term abortions, pro-gay rights and probably in favor of civil unions and very much pro-gun control. Not to mention he's not exactly a model example of maritial fidelity. Having him on the ticket is a sure fire way for all the fundies to stay home, and possibly a third party challenger to emerge using Giuliani as proof the GOP is shifting too far to the left.
5-Cheney is the real brains behind what goes on. He'll stay as the puppetmaster.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. With your given reason #4 in mind...

Can we start a draft Giuliani movement? :evilgrin:

[jeter]

2. The real reasons Why Guilliani won't be Bush's running mate:

1) Because Cheney is a favorite of the neo-cons and they would be pissed at Bush if he dumped him. Many conservatives are already angry with Bush over his immigration policy and big spending. This would drive them over the edge in my opinion.

2) It would be an admission that Iraq was a mistake. Otherwise why dump Cheney? oR IT SHOWS that Cheney was up to no good in the first administration - ie Haliburton, etc. It would raise more questions than answers.

If Bush dumps Cheney he is finished. Not even Guilliani would save him.

[denverbill]

3. I dunno.

The more I read, the more I think Bush is going to let Cheney be the fall guy for Iraq.

Two of Cheney's boys have been implicated in the Plame outing. Cheney was one of the biggest mouth's about Saddam's 'imminent threat'. Then there is the secret energy meetings.

If Bush dumps Dickie, he can't blame all of his biggest scandals on Cheney. Cheney is a good Republican. He'll glady take the fall and go back to his $30 million/year job at Halliburton.

[K-W]

15. Cheney would not gladly take the fall.

Cheney is not a henchman, he is a bigwig. The power mongers dont take falls, thier people do. Bush would have to drag Cheney out of power kicking and screaming.

[Dennis Quaranta]

4. More Liberal Than Arnold

I don't know how liberal Arnold really is, but Giuliani isn't liberal. He flaunts his mistresses, but other than that he's very puritanical. Mayor Giuliani made it illegal for same-sex couples to hold hands in a movie theater.

[Beetwasher]

6. Huh?

Giuliani never made it illegal for same sex couples to hold hands in movie theatres...Where did you ever get this idea from?

[Dennis Quaranta]

18. Remembering Giuliani

The story was written up in the Village Voice, but I don't rely solely on that story. I remember the theater - it was around 49th or 50th Street off Broadway - and I remember that the sign explicitly mentioned hand-holding as forbidden conduct. The New York Civil Liberties Union sued successfully to overturn the law.

Giuliani was a petty, vindictive bastard. Based solely on his opinion of the type of films certain theaters showed, Giuliani forced them out of business.

[Beetwasher]

5. I also think Giuliani, as big of a dick as he is, is too smart

to hitch himself to this trainwreck.

I would look for Cheney to be replaced by someone as thorougly corrupt and despicable as he is.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Here's the problem...

Most Repugs I know, even the ones who work in politics, think Bush is invincible. I wouldn't expect Giuliani to think much differently.

[ButterflyBlood]

11. I doubt it

the brainless Freepers think so, but I bet Karl Rove is sweating heavy right now. Giuliani strikes me as too smart to buy into this crap. He'll run for Governor in 2006 without the baggage of being attached to this misadminstration.

[nickinSTL]

8. Giuliani VP

I doubt Giuliani would be willing to take the VP spot, not that I know much about him, but if he'd want to use the VP slot as a springboard for a 2008 run for President, wouldn't that possibly interfere with Jeb getting the Repub nomination for 2008?

I kind of always figured that was part of why it didn't matter that Bush's VP was a guy with heart problems who looks older than he is. Leave the way open for Jeb when W's done.

[DinahMoeHum]

14. and compare the response of Giuliani to *'s as 9/11 unfolded. . .

While * f**ked around the country like a scared bunny rabbit, Giuliani ran straight TOWARD the WTC to get to his "command post" - and almost lost his life in the process.

:kick:

[brainwashed_youth]

9. I may not like his politics

but I respect and admire Rudy Guilianni as a person very much. He is one of the few repubs I admire. He pretty much personified leadership after 9/11 . That's just my 2 cents on Guilianni

[K-W]

16. Personified leadership?

This I dont get. He really didnt do much of anything. He didnt freak out. Thats good, but I dont know that we should worship the man because of it. This is the same bs that makes people think Bush is a leader. Just because you are in charge when something big happens, doesnt make you a leader.

[brainwashed_youth]

17. I understand

But he was able to inspire confidence and hope in the people of New York City. There was a good reason he was chosen as Time's "Man of the Year" in 2001. No, his politics aren't to my liking, but his character is.

[Butterflies]

10. Why not Jeb as the running mate?

They made such a big deal about father and son being presidents #41 and #43, it seems they'd love to have the two bush brothers on the repub ticket together. Or do they still need Jeb in Florida for now?

[brainwashed_youth]

12. still needed in Florida

Being a Florida native, I think it's safe to say that Jeb Bush is needed in Florida at the moment. Florida voted Democratic last election and Bush is needed here to change that...or at least, try to.

[Exultant Democracy]

13. You make good points, but you forget hubris

I don't put anything foolish beyond the GOP, they think that they are invincible.