one of the scariest letters I have ever read

[ButterflyBlood]

http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/userletter/?letter_id=69530761&content_dir=congressorg

[DS1]

1. Oh look, Texas!

Sorry TX Duers, police yer own.

[argyl]

27. That's damn near tame compared to what I've heard in states like Cal.,NY,

Washington and Colorado.This guy speaks for one out of 21,000,000.We've all got our loons as well as people fighting the good fight.
There are almost 40,000 of us here fighting against Bush.Big 40K coming up.

[LiberalBushFan]

2. Hah

what a raging loser.

[Dookus]

3. so what?

there are nutcases and bigots by the million in this country. Why even bother trying to address each and every one here?

[outinforce]

4. Chilling

That letter carries "diversity of opinion" too far.

People like him need should be told that they are not entitled to their opinion.

Is there some sort of re-education camp we can suggest that he be sent to?

[Political_Junkie]

5. Ohhh...

this just makes my skin crawl! Scary stuff indded!

[nini]

6. that looks like a form letter.. in the Sir/Madam stuff

I wonder what group is behind this.


How sad that people worry about what goes on in other people's bedrooms but don't give a damn about bombs dropping on innocent people..

[sushi]

13. That's exactly what I think

Just like the outrage over Janet Jackson's exposed breast. Where's the outrage over all the people, troops and innocent Iraqis, who died in this unnecessary, illegitimate, unilateral invasion!

[izzie]

30. These "Christians' seem to like to kill but sex is sin.

I must say they really do go right over the edge on this stuff. Who cares, no one has to marry any one let alone the same sex. I do not understand this thing that we must all do as they wish when we really do not care what people do. I frankly do not care if this person hates the law he does not need to do it so what is the problem.

[Selwynn]

47. It's not a form letter - its just .....

....someone who is an idiot trying to sound "formal" and "professional."

You can tell by the rambling nature of the rest of it its not a form letter.

[Muddleoftheroad]

54. Yeah, it's the form that's scary

Standard form letter from Psychos R Us.

It's a garbled mess of bigotry and illiteracy. In fact, it's neither coherent nor sane, but hey, you can't have everything.

[RobertSeattle]

7. Personal Experience: This can be a real nasty issue

My wonderful loving 70+ year old Mom shares much of my political views but when "gay marriage" shows up as a topic, she just gets plain nasty - she hates the idea of gay marriage. I think it is a generational thing - there's just no making sense with many people who are >50 about this.

Which, of course, is why Rove and the GOP loves it as a wedge issue...

[liberalpress]

23. .Um...

...SOME people over fifty. I, myself, subscribe to the line spoken by the character of D.A. Jack McCoy on Wednesday night's Law and Order episode. "Aw, let 'em marry. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us."

[stevedeshazer]

56. Well,

My mom is 76 and is supportive of gay marriage. Not all seniors or middle age people see gay marriage in a negative way. I have several very dear friends who are older than me (49) who feel the same way.

There is some truth to what you say but I don't think it is as generational as you might believe.

It's a wedge issue, you're right about that. But I think it's more a class issue than a generational one.

[bahrbearian]

8. Repugnate's and State's Rights..

[Wapsie B]

9. Goodness.

Talk about repressed homosexuality. This guy needs to come out of the closet and quick! This internal rage that he feels is tearing him apart.

[grisvador]

10. Warren is just pissed

about his sexual preferences not being included . He would be OK if the laws included him and his goat. Really, we just have to be more inclusive of all people.

[outinforce]

12. Are You Suggesting...

Are you suggesting the people whose sexual orientation includes a desire to have sex with their goats should somehow be treated differently from the rest of us?

You'll excuse me for saying this, but your post is very much like the sort of things a straight homophobe might say about a gay person. It's intolerant and it demeans another person, based solely upon what he chooses to do in the privacy of his own bedroom.

I'm offended that such a post would appear on DU.

[grisvador]

15. Yes,

Unless you can prove that the goat or possibly a child is a consenting adult - I will make that distinction in what I believe should be the laws that we agree too. Do you think we should allow rape by men who only get off through violence?

[DoctorMyEyes]

19. you were kidding right?

this is satire?

[grisvador]

20. Wow - you saw right through me...

[outinforce]

29. No.

What someone does in the privacy of his or her own bedroom is nobody's business.

Having sex with animals is not my particular cup of tea, but, as a gay man, there are other types of sex that many people enjoy that are also not my cup of tea either.

As a kid and young adult, I had to endure countless jokes and rude comments from people about how "queers" were sickies. And I think any comments about someone else's sexual attractions are mean and hateful.

I do think that sex with kids is wrong -- but that is because kids are human beings.

Although the thought of sex with animals is something I find personally repellant, I do not think it is quite the same as having sex with a child. We do al sorts of things to animals. We kill them for food. How is killing an animal for food less exploitative than having sex with an animal?

No, I was not kidding.

I was offended by the comments that suggested that the author of this aritcle -- a true "sickie" in my book, was somehow in the same category as someone whose sexual orientation includes a proclivity for animals.

Judge not.

[grisvador]

34. And about Men who only get off on violence...

and act on those impulses - should we not judge them? - do we not judge them?

I applaud your freedom of choice - but there are many members of PETA that would not agree with you - are they wrong for expressing their beliefs?

OK, but taking another approach to one of Warren's beer buddies speaking..

"Warren is just pissed because if lesbians are allowed to marry, belch, than whose gonna fix him dinner"

[grisvador]

35. I would also like to add

OutinForce that I am thoroughly in support of the Right for Same Sex Marriages. Wherever you live, I hope that you find someone that makes you happy for the rest of your life, and that the two of you live in happiness and if you wish it Married Bliss.

[outinforce]

61. Thanks Just The Same, BUT

I have absolutely NO desire to "find someone that makes" me "happy for the rest of" my "life".

That is the model by which most straight people live.

Why should I, a gay man, ever want to live the way straight people do?

And, kif by some chance, I should find someone who will make me happy for the rest of my life, why do you assume that I would find only one such person? Couldn't I find two, three, four, or more such people? And, if we should all find each other, and decide that we will, for the rest of our lives, make each other happy, shouldn't we be permitted to live in "marital bliss"?

[Calico4000]

39. Totally different issue

As a liberal I (in general) see no reason to restrict what does not harm another person. So long as you are not hurting another you should have the freedom to do as you please.

A person who "gets off" on violence should NOT be able to do as he/she pleases. (exception to consenting adults who like "spanking" or other such activity) A person should have no right to harm another.

I also feel as a liberal that it should be the job of the justice system to attmpt to the best of its ability to reform people, NOT to punish or practice vengeance. If a person can not be reformed, then, unfortunately, they may have to be kept seperate from others they might harm.

Two consenting adults of the same or opposite sex are not harming anyone. In fact, I have noticed one thing that is true in my gay friends relationship. That is that it is practically IDENTICAL to a typical heterosexual relationship. They have the same arguments, places they like to go, places they like to eat, manner they speak to each other, etc as you would see with your typical heterosexual relationship. In fact I would venture to say that if you somehow were unable to realize they were both of the same sex you would have no idea they were any different than your average couple.

Being the same sex is really about the only difference. No idea what conservatives are so freaked out about.

[DoctorMyEyes]

49. I'm sorry - but I'll be judging!

Maybe your argument is just a little bit ass backwards. Maybe instead of "elevating beastiality" to the level of human sexuality you should instead be insulted by people who "lower homosexuality" to the level of beastiality.

I don't give a flying fig what one, two, three or more consenting adults do. I don't care what anyone does or doesn't want to do with an inanimate object, but I do object to animal abuse and child abuse. I guess I'm just silly that way!

[outinforce]

63. Your Shoes

I don't know you, DoctorMyEyes.

But consider the possibility that you might have some articles of clothing or footwear made of leather or wool. Or that you might have recently eaten an chicken egg or some beef or chicken or fish.

I have no problem with wearing leather, wool, or with eating eggs, beef, lamb, or fish.

I can distinguish between sexual abuse of a child (a live human being that is exploited sexually) and a person who chooses to have sex with an animal. Neither are my own personal cup of tea. But sex with a child is, in my own view, wrong, as it denies the dignity of the human child. But sex with an animal, in my own view, is not the same thing. We eat animals, we herd animals, we put animals into cages. We do not give them the same dignity that we give human children. So, for me, sex with an animal seems strange and bizarre, and yes, even a bit disgusting (as it the case with other types of more "conventional" sex that is practices by millions of people). But, in my view, it is not wrong.

And, since it is not wrong, people who have sex with animals do not deserve to be made fun of or humiliated -- any more that those of us who are gay deserve to be made fun of or humiliated.

[sable302]

11. bomb MA over marriage?

sheesh. I would think this letter was a parody, if I didn't already know people like this.

[izzie]

31. I am sure the form is coming out as he writes.

Hate to be in a dark room with a nut like that.

[Name removed]

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[Missy Vixen]

16. I'll bet he's getting

some love notes over the next few days from those who don't agree with him.

It's unfortunate that folks like him don't comprehend what they read. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are only applicable, it seems, for the letter writer and those who believe as he does.

As WillPitt would say, Reading Is Fundamental.

Julie

[tinymontgomery]

17. The one point I liked

though I would reverse it is that the fed stop giving money to mass. Well reverse it and have Mass. stop sending money to the fed. I'm pretty sure they get don't get back as much as they send. I bet the people of Mass. would like to keep their money in their own state.

[treepig]

25. yup, i'm sure they'd be plenty happy to stop funding the red states

Federally Favored States

In No. 124 of the Tax Foundation's Special Report series, titled "Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures by State," Moody points out that during fiscal 2002, taxpayers in New Mexico benefited more than any other state from the give-and-take with Uncle Sam.

New Mexico received $2.37 in federal outlays for every $1.00 the state's taxpayers sent to Uncle Sam. Only one other state got a 2-1 ratio -- North Dakota, where Uncle Sam spent $2.07 for each tax dollar. Other big winners were Alaska ($1.91), Mississippi ($1.89), and West Virginia ($1.82). See table below.

States That Help Others

If some states are beneficiaries, then naturally some must be benefactors - those states where so much is collected in federal taxes that any federal spending they receive is overwhelmed.

New York has often been the biggest payer in the Tax Foundation's annual comparison of taxes to spending, which inspired Daniel Patrick Moynihan and the Kennedy School of Government to launch their annual reference book comparing state taxes with spending (www.ksg.harvard.edu/fisc99) more than 25 years ago. In recent years, however, other states have eclipsed New York for the "blessing" of being the state that gives far more than it receives.

Combining the third highest tax burden per capita with the ninth lowest federal spending, New Jersey had the lowest federal spending-to-tax ratio (62¢). Other states that had low federal spending-to-tax ratios in FY 2002 are Connecticut (65¢), New Hampshire (66¢), Nevada (74¢), Massachusetts (75¢ and California (76¢).

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxingspending.html

[NewJeffCT]

64. Amazing how they're all east & west coast states

I think it's time all those states in the Midwest learn to suck it up and not live off the government teat.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

37. I'd HAPPILY stop sending my fed tax money to these troglodytes

The wealthy blue states are always funding the red states. I don't appreciate funding discrimination and creationism with my tax money. Mike Malloy mentioned the other night that this is indeed true: that the blue states pay more than their tax burden.

[eaprez]

18. Im Confused....

.....I didn't realize the gay marriage decision made gay marriages MANDATORY and those in the hetrosexual population would be forced to divorce in order to pursue this. That is scarey!!!! :)

[Q3JR4]

21. OMG

There are many depreciating comments that come to mind about what this individual wants, but in the interests of decency I won't go there.

[anti_shrub]

22. Isn't it odd

That when the issue is prayer in schools and the Big Hunk O' God in the court in Alabama, then there is no such thing as separation of church and state. Every conservative comes out of the woodwork to remind us no such clause exists in the Constitution.

When the issue is gay marriage, separation of church and state is the most important thing in US history to conservatives.

[eaprez]

24. On Gay Marriage & The Courts

Which is why their argument makes absolutely no sense.
They say the concept of marriage is a Godly and Biblical principle that must be protected. We don't take religious doctrine and turn it into laws that all must follow - because we are not required to embrace the same religious doctrine in this country. That is a fundamental constitutional issue. Whether you agree or disagree with the concept of gay marriage -- we don't have the right to subject everyone to the same religious principles. The courts rightly interpreted the laws in that regard and I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding that and instead prefer to call it "liberal judges legislating from the bench"....its only legislating when its something they disagree with.

[Cooley Hurd]

26. I have his number but I can't post it per DU rules... can I?

Also found his email address...

See this link and this one too... ;)

[Hokie]

33. Thanks for the links.

I am sure he would love to hear from anyone at DU who would like to encourage his suggested actions.

[ret5hd]

38. be sure to mention...

that a 5'6" blonde haired, blue eyed, 155 lb. 66 year old is what ALL the queers are looking for. (info found via PublicData)

on edit: i also checked for criminal and sex offender status. Alas, he is clean.

[Mixxster]

59. I understand the desire to blast this guy but...

if you're going to contact him I suggest a calm, reasoned response. Let's face it, you're not going to change his bigoted mind so why give him insulting, hate filled diatribes for him to use as ammo/evidence about gays and gay-loving liberals.

[jpak]

28. Contact the FBI and Homeland Security

This guy's a traitor and a terrorist.

Wonder how the Breck Girl responded to this POS???

[FredScuttle]

32. Ha

I love this 2nd paragraph reference - "The gay lobbyist"....sounds like a Jackie Collins novel.

Ol' Warren does make a logical progression of sanctions against Massachusetts, starting with having his Senator order the Attorney General to "put a restraining order" on a soverign State Supreme Court. How is that done precisely...they have to stay 30 feet away from the bench?

Paragraph 4 starts with a doozy - "To assist we the people in this raping of the marriage act to appease abnormal people as this case reaches the Supreme Court of the USA". It's fascinating how he keeps repeating "we the people" when he really means "me and 14 cats". In any case, it's unclear who's assisting and who's raping what. Apparently, he wants a McCarthy-esque fumigation of all gay federal and Supreme Court justices...what will David Souter ever do?

Next, he wants an embargo on the state itself...fine with me if it means I don't have to watch the freakin' Red Sox ever again. And how thoughtful of Warren...by doing this, we'll reduce the budget "defect" (a more perfect summation of Bushonomics I've never seen) due to all those "greedy drug companies" located in Massachusetts. As opposed to all those nice drug companies in Texas, like the three his very own Senator Cornyn sued as Texas AG for Medicaid Fraud (http://www.oag.state.tx.us/newspubs/newsarchive/2000/20000907.medicaidfraud.htm)

To end his impressive missive, Warren envisions an apocalyptic endgame where governors from every state point their recently obtained nuclear weapons at Massachusetts. Sorta Dr. Stranglovian to me, but I'm with him. Why, who wouldn't thrill to the spectacle of Arnold Schwarzenegger joining hands with Jennifer Granholm as they menace Massachusetts and that insidious "gay lobby"?

Warren D. Parr - patriot, God-fearing, Bush voter.

[SharonAnn]

36. So, it's a "holy intuition". Well, my intuition says that the guy who

wrote this is insane and should be insitutionalized for his own safety and that of others.

"the rest of America must now destroy marriage, which many consider a holy intuition to appease people with abnormal behavior."

I'm still puzzled by his sentence. Marriage is a holy intuition to appease people?

[Serenity-NOW]

41. I guess some people just can't spell and the autocorrect

outwits them. Must have tried to type 'institution' but jeebuz clouded the mind with holy sanctity and thoughts of declaring war on Massachusetts.

On edit; most kludgy if/then statement known to mankind:

"Sir if for some reason you do not want to act like a real conservative and defend our Constitution and let queer judges run amok. < note period

Then at least arrange for the SOD to allow state governors whom request Nukes and Nuke delivery system to have them as the next step is for we the people to put pressure on the governor of different states to declare war on the state of Massachusetts and to rain nukes upon those folks."

Freakin language terrorist, some English teacher is gonna cap this guy just on principle.

[mike1963]

40. Hm. He put in his address.

:evilgrin:

[drdigi420]

42. #23

in his address must be the trailer number

not surprised that a redneck like this lives in Texas

[greekspeak]

43. arrogance gays

I guess Captain Nutwing of the hate brigade figured us arrogance gays out. Yes we arrogance gays are trying to take over the country. Arrogance gays will soon be running America's courts, statehouses, and stadiums. Arrogance gays may even take over the world and require everyone to wear pink boas. What can you expect from arrogance gays?

What the F*^K are "arrogance gays?"

[Sugarbleus]

58. ROFLMAO!!! I saw that. lol

What can I say? How does one respond to such an arrogance writer?

[Killarney]

44. Wow. It saddens me that people like this exist

they want to "rain nukes on Massachusetts" because of this.

I'm just sitting here, shaking my head. :(

[truizm]

46. The sad part is that this isn't that uncommon of a viewpoint

and the Republicans will exploit it further for political gain.

I wonder what Christians around the world think of the radically ignorant Christian right.

[amber dog democrat]

45. How cute

So let me guess, the Austin State Hospital discharged someone?
I can not take a crazy rant like this very seriously.

[Andy_Stephenson]

48. Holy Shit!!!

That Dickhead is my Moms Neighbor...Literally 2 houses away!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wonder if Warren's wife knows about his trips to the lake?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

62. Give us Da Scoop then!!!

Is he for real or just a clever troll?

[Andy_Stephenson]

65. He is for real.

A real asshole.

[ComerPerro]

50. This asshole is a terrorist, and may be a threat to the United States

Perhaps the DOJ should pay a visit to
Warren D. Parr
117 E. Bobwhite Ln # 23
Harker Hgts, Tx -76548

And ask him why he is organizing a movement to use nuclear weapons against US targets...

These sick motherfuckers make me want to puke. And worse yet, they pretend to love this country.


There is absolutely no difference at all between Islamic terrorists and your average FReeper. None.

[maggrwaggr]

51. Welcome to Bush's "base"

that's why they're trying to get 'em fired up with the "gay marriage" issue.

Seems like it's working.

[Eroshan]

52. These A holes

are so ignorant they probably would drop the bomb on dissenting states if the repukes get into office again. They are looking for any excuse to start their RAPTURE.

[OneBlueSky]

53. what motivates people who are rabidly anti-gay is generally . . .

fear . . . powerful, raw, all-consuming fear, and lots of it . . . some fear that the world they know/knew is changing too fast, and becoming a place they simply don't recognize . . . things that they were taught were abominations are now being accepted, and their learning is so ingrained and so long-standing that they honestly can't see any legitimacy in opposing views . . . others fear the gay parts of themselves . . . the most vehement anti-gays are likely closeted individual whose true sexual orientation both disgusts and terrifies them . . . that must be a terrible way to live . . .

I don't mean to rationalize or condone anti-gay attitudes and/or behaviors in any way . . . but if you understand WHY people think and behave as they do, you have a better chance of, if not converting, at least neutralizing them . . .

[Djinn]

55. I no it's not a terribly productive counter

but seriously sometimes I just think these people want to meet their God sooooooo bad let's give them a hand to get there quickly

[Lydia Leftcoast]

57. "Holy intuition"?

Bob Boudelang has kinfolk in that town, obviously.

[aldian159]

60. This line is bad.

"Those arrogance gays in Massachusetts must be destroyed for the health and welfare of the rest of the USA"

Replace "gays" with "Jews."
Replace "Massachusetts" and "USA" with "Fatherland."