a BBV question..

[SoCalDem]

Is the Dem party (as a whole) ready to do battle after the possibly squirrely numbers come in thsi November..

We already know that in EVERY single primary so far, the numbers have been HUGE. The press will keep spinning this as a "close race" right up until the election, even if they know it is NOT.. IT makes people feel the "need" to stay tuned in..

Since the "close race" is the spin, people might overlook the FACTS.. Is our leadership ready with lawyers to FIGHT the bogus results that will surely come tumbling in..

This election will be different from any recent one, because more places will be using machines without the paper necessary to have a real recount.. We need to be ready.. perhaps even pre-emptive..

My suggestion would be observers at EVERY polling stations to do their own exit polling..

There were exit polls taken at the primaries, but I would be willing to bet the farm that "something will go awry" like 2002.. We KNOW that some of those elections were very smelly, but there was very little , if any outcry..

This election is the "line in the sand" as far as I am concerned.. They got away with it in 2000, and again in 2002 ..Blatantly , at that..

If they do it again, we will lose a lot of the fired up voters that we have awakened..

Any of you with connections?? Please find out if there are any plans being made to counter this..

I just know that the repubes have their ducks in a row.. I am worried that we do not :(

[lastknowngood]

1. No one it the "democratic leadership" will even raise their

voice. The pink tutu Dem's running this party should be ashamed to pick up their paychecks and bribes. They are disgusting.

[Eric J in MN]

2. Without a paper trail, a judge has few options.

Without a paper trail, a judge has few options, no matter how suspicious the results are.

There is no way to do a meaningful recount without voter-verified paper ballots.

Please click the link in my signature to email your Congressperson to pass The Voter Confidence Act.

We need to fix this BEFORE the election.

[SheilaT]

3. Ha!

Just like they challenged the goofy results that led to Max Cleland's ouster from office. Or some very odd results in certain parts of California during the recent recall election.

Without exit polls we'll have no idea what the real results are. I feel people are being primed with primary outcomes that are quite different from what the polls say immediately before, so we're all going to be willing to disregard polls as completely meaningless in the first place. Just one of the many ways the election in November can and no doubt will be stolen.

[Virgil]

4. I take paperless trails as proof of corruption

In my county they give you a pen and a piece of paper. You blot out a circle for your choice on each candidate and you run it through a scanner. It works fine. They never had a problem. The butterfly ballots and the punching holes might not have worked but nobody has ever complained about marking on a clearly designed ballot with a pen and running it through a scanner.

This was the "Remove the Paper Trail Act." It was no mistake or they would have corrected it. It has no sponsors in the Senate because they do not want paper trails. I call corruption. Nobody is going to tell me that not having a paper trail is acceptable. It is not. You do not hear it on the conglomerate media and that should tell you something. You do not have Kerry and Edwards talking about it either because it is indefensible with anything other than silence.

[Eric J in MN]

5. At the Florida Democratic Convention 2 months ago, both

At the Florida Democratic Convention 2 months ago, both John Kerry and John Edwards said they support a paper trail.

John Kerry also said he plans to sue for a paper trail at that time.

[RedEagle]

6. Take it to the courts

Most states have laws about recounts. You can't recount an election on a touch screen that does not produce a voter-verified paper ballot. That's common knowledge now, and those machines violate recount provisions.

Be ready to demand recounts of the other systems, too. There are usually provisions to recount for parties in state laws, and you can ususually call for a recount if you pay for it.

Vote by mail or absentee if you can. It's far from foolproof but a heck of a lot less so than a DRE. It's also going to send a message that counties can spend a lot on touch screens, and see them not being used.