I am so absolutely disappointed in DUer's right now, I could just scream.

[acmavm]

Why is it that threads on the subject of Janet Jackson's boobs, the best heavy metal song title, Beavis and Butthead, and DVD rentals get so much more attention and reaction than the fact that a man, a man most likely innocent of the crime of slaughtering a family, will be put to death on Tuesday? People on this website pride themselves as being people high moral fibre and great sensitivity to the persecuted. They react with vitriol and venom to any thread that pertains to the abuse of animals (which they should), but don't have the time or interest to respond to a vile miscarriage of justice that just may end the life of an innocent man. I have posted twice on this issue, and one other DUer has posted once. I had a response of two DUers to one of my threads (thank you both), which was the e-mail that I sent to Ahnold. Otherwise, nothing. And the other poster had no answers at all.

Social responsiblity and humanity do not stop at issues that just affect or interest ourselves. Our humanity and social responsibility are judged by how we react to defend people who we don't even know, but who need our help in times of crisis. This is a state sanctioned murder of a man who is more than likely not guilty. The only surviving witness to the massacre says he is not the man who slaughtered his family.

Please people, for the love of whatever higher power you believe in, do something. We are all complicit in this man's murder if we don't at least try to do something. Maybe Kevin Cooper will die anyway on Tuesday, but at least maybe our response will alert the 'powers that be' that we are watching, we are paying close attention to what is happening in this country, and we will not allow state sanctioned murder to occur just to allow legal authorities to try to show that they are tough on crime and jack up their conviction rates. \

If you feel you can spare the time, please read these articles:

http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1701&category_id=13

http://www.savekevincooper.org/

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510132004?open&of=ENG-USA

http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/factsheets/kevinCooper.html

Here is Ahnolds e-mail address. Please help.

If you feel that this is a grave miscarriage of justice, then please e-mail or call Ahnold and let him know.

[e-mail]

Here is a phone number to call his office
916-445-2840

[cavebat2000]

1. sorry

I guess sometimes we need a break from it all. Constantly getting emotionally involved in Politics and things of the sort can be very draining, and sometimes we just need to settle down a bit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Agreed.

I wrote to the governator. Cooper's trial was a sham and evidence was tampered with. Even the Ryan's surviving son said the murderers were 4 LAtino's not a black man. Members of the jury regret their decision. THis is a travesty.

[Mari333]

3. everyone has their own issues

and everyone is dealing with them as best as they can
some people on DU have no jobs thanks to bU$h,
some people have kids going to Iraq as we speak
some have loved ones in Iraq now
some are losing all their Medicare now and barely making it
some are disabled
some are dying from lousy health care
and on and on
everyone has their own issues
and sometimes, they just need to balance themselves by posting other things to maintain their sanity.

[bryant69]

5. Exactly right

That's how it's supposed to function--we all work in our own spheres to improve life and make it better.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[acmavm]

11. I am so surprised to learn that everyone has their own issues. Silly me,

I would have thought that the execution of a man who is probably innocent would, or at least should, be an issue for all thinking individuals. I guess I should become way more selective in the issues that concern me.

By the way, I know someone who has been affected by every issue on your list, including myself. I guess that this one issue was just one too many. Please consider me corrected and accept my sincere apologies.

[bryant69]

19. Somehow your apology strikes me as insincere.

But maybe that's just me.

You know the best way to get people to listen to you? Start of by telling them they are all worthless pieces of s--- for not listening to you. Always puts people in a listening mood.

But I guess venting your anger is more important that winning people over to your cause.

Bryant

[acmavm]

29. Apology? What apology? And if you look at the second thread that

I posted in the Justice Public whatever forum, you will see that I actually BEGGED for people to e-mail and call Schwarzie on this. What was the result? Very little. Only about three DUers bothered to respond. But it is obvious that you didn't bother to look. And where did I call anyone a "worthless piece of s---?" I just pointed out that there are times and instances where actions by all of us are necessary, even if they don't fall within the perview of our own self-interests.

This time I am venting my anger. Because lazy posters who don't research what was said in the first place (by looking up the previous posts,) and then offer high-handed snitty little opinions in the second, just happen to be one of the biggest drawbacks when posting on a public forum.

[philosophie_en_rose]

44. People can care without responding on the internet.

Just because a person doesn't respond does not mean that they don't care or didn't act on something important. It's really easy to make a stupid remark on a poll about something innocuous, but it's more difficult to respond to deeper issues.

Without responding in the thread you started, I sent an e-mail to Schwarzenegger. I don't think that he has the moral fiber to give a shit about justice. I wasn't sure how to respond in the thread, but I acted in the real world.

I understand that you're angry. We should all be angry, but there is a positive effect to your posts, even if you don't see it.


***********************************************

This is Kevin Cooper. He will be killed on Tuesday, without having had a fair trial.



From the savekevincooper website:

The state's case against Kevin Cooper is full of holes, and he has always maintained his innocence. There are also issues of racism, poverty, and police misconduct in this case. Here are just a few of the facts:

**Clumps of long, blonde hair were found in the hands of one of the victims. Photographs of this hair were never shown to the jury.

**At least three weapons were used in the brutal murders, indicating multiple perpetrators. Prosecutors were unable to account for this, claiming that Kevin Cooper acted alone.

**Hostile, racist demonstrations were held near the courthouse after Kevin Cooper was taken into custody. At one demonstration a toy gorilla was hung in effigy.

**A pair of bloody coveralls was submitted to the police by a woman claiming that they had been left at her house by her boyfriend, who she believed was involved in the murders. Police records show that the coveralls were deliberately disposed of in a dumpster by the police without any testing.

**Samples of evidence used to tie Kevin to the crime were in the possession of police investigator without court supervision or knowledge of the Kevin's defense team. The State fought testing of these samples for years, yet suddenly allowed testing after the samples were handled by police investigators. Further tests could be done to identify the person matching the blonde hair and also to see whether the evidence was tampered with, but the state is refusing to do these tests.

[Mari333]

20. Its okay to be angry but I disagree with your attack

on DUers. Sometimes, its better to ask people gently for help, rather then yell at them. Just my take on it.

[foreigncorrespondent]

41. You know what?

I agree with you, in this post, and your original post. While I don't know the case at all (not living in the U.S.), I do believe that no innocent person should be put to death. The last person we hung here in Melbourne back in the 70's, was actually innocent of the crime that made them issue the death penalty.

Anyone who has said on these boards that they are against the death penalty should be taking the five minutes it would take to write to governor shit head, otherwise they are all hypocrites.

If I knew any letter I would write would get attention, I would do it, but not being a citizen of the U.S. anything I say wouldn't be heard.

[hang a left]

36. And sometimes you just feel helpless.

You write your senator or congressman....they do WTF they want anyway. You sign petitions that someone in DC wipes their butt with. You write letters and send emails to the press, nothing happens. Now they are issues subpeonas to grand juries for peace activists, I don't have high hopes about how that is gonna turn out either.

It is a travesty the injustice that is done to innocents in this country, and the world for that matter. Sometimes you just feel like it is hopeless, and the world needs to start all over. It is an outrage that this man will be executed and is probably innocent, there is hundreds of others that will be and already have. I am outraged, I am sickened, I feel so very sad.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

4. Done.

I e-mailed the Gov, referring to the Amnesty Int'l
article. I don't know if he's innocent, but there are
enough serious questions about the case against him
to convince anybody he shouldn't be executed, and
should have another trial. Thank you for your appeal.
It is the first time I ever wrote anything protesting
an execution.

[alittlelark]

6. KPFA has been covering the case every day for over a week

Glaring factual inconsistancies. I've called the gov once and e-mailed twice. Is Ahhnold blind, deaf or dumb?

I am against the death penalty in ALL cases, however especially in the ones where the person seems so obviously innocent - heck, it's the JURORS on the case that are yelling the loudest!!!

[Lone_Voice]

7. "Obviously Innocent"?

I don't know about that. There may be enough evidence for a re-trial, but to proclaim this guy innocent is a reach at best.

[alittlelark]

24. Read the facts about the case.

I will not say he is CERTAINLY innocent, But the jurors in the case are saying they were denied critical evidence and testimony that would have changed their views.
"It's better to be rich, white, and guilty than poor, black, and innocent." Wish I could remember where I heard that quote.

[Lone_Voice]

25. I did...

...and I agree a new trial may be in order. But you stated he was "obviously innocent" which he is not...yet.

[alittlelark]

26. Please do not mis-quote me

I said "SEEMS so obviously innocent". There is quite a difference between the statement you attribute to me and my actual statement.

[neebob]

8. So did you post about this in the Lounge the first time?

That's where the threads about Janet's boobs and heavy metal songs are, as they are supposed to be. Forgive me - I haven't spent much time on DU the last few days, so I didn't see your previous post(s). This is the first I've heard of Kevin Cooper, and yeah, it seems pretty wrong and I'm willing to write a letter, but do you really expect to shame people into getting behind this? Chastising them isn't the best way to get their help.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

10. It worked with me!

Sometimes a little chastisement with yer
Saturday morning Raisan Bran comes in right
handy.

[acmavm]

13. No, I posted it in Justice and Public Safety, where issues on the death

penalty are supposed to be posted.

And as for chastising people, I see that being done on this site everyday, all the time. If it isn't Bush* and Iraq, it's about the political candidates.

And as for shaming people into action, apparently that's what it took. As a regular post, it went nowhere, for me or the other DUer (I wish I had looked up his/her name).

[neebob]

16. OIC

I didn't notice your post count, so I guess you would know how DU works. I just made my first visit to Justice and Public Safety. (Usually I just hit GD and the Lounge, unless something in another forum catches my eye on the Latest list.)

Okay, so I've read the articles you posted. Before I write my letter, what - besides the cigarettes, the blood drop, and the fact he was hiding in a house nearby - did Mr. Cooper get convicted on? Is there anything substantive that indicates he participated in these murders?

[acmavm]

17. No. Also, check out this story that just might explain the blood drop.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/05/177249

[whatelseisnew]

15. There have been many 'boobgate' threads in GD, Chiding Works

I have noticed many times in the past that a chastising thread

in GD gets a good response. I recall one specifically about the
Guy James Show that may have kept them on the air.

Maybe that says something about human nature.

Maybe people had intended to do more but got distracted or just

plain procrastinated.

Even your reaction lead you to reply and thus kick this thread.

I just Emailed AHNOLLD!

[corporatewhore]

9. But dont you know that Janets boob is the biggest controversy ever

[scottxyz]

30. Great picture - great slogan

The slogan on the guy's butt ("If gays get civil rights, then EVERYONE will want them!") reminds me of a quote I read on the internet this week:

"Homophobia isn’t there to keep homosexuals in line. Homophobia is there to keep everyone else in line." - science fiction writer Joanna Russ

http://nielsenhayden.com/electrolite/archives/004559.html



By the way, if you go to the link above and try to read the EXCELLENT article on Caroline Payne, you'll end hitting a NYTimes pay-per-view link.

The heartbreaking article on Caroline Payne can be read here for free:
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/~landwebj/ww/mccousin.htm

[whatelseisnew]

12. Email sent

[Judi Lynn]

14. Thank you for bringing this situation to our attention

I know there were several threads going on in Late Breaking News for DAYS: didn't have time to read any of them, kept wondering what was keeping them alive, since they had so little to do with Democrats.

On the OTHER had, I've actually NEVER seen or heard anything about this soon to be dead person, and I have to wonder why.

Going to try to get up to speed on this. Thank you for speaking out, and giving those of us in the dark a chance to at least sent an e-mail or SOMETHING.

[Broken]

18. Here's my letter

There is more than enough evidence to lay SERIOUS DOUBT about the guilt of Kevin Cooper. He is scheduled to be put to death Feb 10th. STOP THIS. Imagine if you were innocent and you were about to be put to death, you will be full of tremendous fear and sadness. Think of his Mother his Father and family and
friends pain to have known their son wasn't given a fair trial. Please, all that needs to be done is suspend this death sentence and then go to a retrial so he can fairly prove his innocence. It is not much in work to stop a possible
murder at the hands of the state that WE THE PEOPLE pay taxes on! Please listen to Kevin Cooper and those who speak out on his defense.

Thankyou

[Punkingal]

21. I sent an email.

and I will call on Monday and Tuesday, also. Thanks for the post...somehow I missed the previous ones, but it's hard to see them all when you are a mod.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. Mailed Ahnold

*crossing fingers and praying hard*

[Solly Mack]

23. Done....and the auto-reply.

Hope springs eternal...


Below is the auto-reply I got almost immediately:

Thank you for your email to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. The Governor appreciates
hearing from concerned and involved Californians, as well as from individuals all
over the world who have an interest in California.

Governor Schwarzenegger is committed to restoring your confidence in state government.
As the Governor has said, with hard work and your help, California will once again
be the "Golden Dream by the Sea".

Due to the unprecedented number of emails sent to the Governor, there may be a delay
in immediately responding to your email. Please know that the Governor's office
is making every effort to respond to your inquiry and will ensure that your voice
is heard by the Governor.

To help us respond to you, please include your name and address when you communicate
with the Governor's Office. Please note that we are unable to accept e-mail attachments
because of the risk of Internet viruses. We ask that you please send your attachments
via traditional mail to:

Office of the Governor
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814

For more information about Governor Schwarzenegger and the State of California,
please visit the California website at www.ca.gov.

Again, thank you for your email. Governor Schwarzenegger is proud to serve you
and all Californians.

[Kat 333]

27. Ok ... done

Hey girlfriend :hi:

I've not been able to spend much time here the past couple of weeks and didn't see the original threads. Thanks for posting this and links to info.

[BrotherBuzz]

28. Wavy Gravy woke me up last week...

with his arrest (now I know why he carries his famous laminated "Get Out of Jail Free" card). Something, indeed, stinks in this case.

SF Chronicle article

[scottxyz]

31. I hear what you're saying

I remember when Captain Kangaroo died last week - the DU thread on his death was way up there on Page One of Breaking News for days, with something like 175 posts last time I noticed.

I was like, "Whoa! I thought DUers had better things to talk about - like the rape of the Consitution and the Treasury."

Quality commentary on DU does seem rarer these days,

[G_j]

32. didn't see your threads but

I've already written, thanks to info I recieved in an email.
Thanks for your efforts.

[Kazak]

33. At first I resented being chastised so...

then I wrote Arnold a letter, which is the type of thing I hardly ever do. But, you're absolutely right...I should do that kind of stuff more. I'll try to be more proactive. :)

[Robb]

34. I love being lectured to.

Especially about not caring enough about something. That's grand, keep it up.

Spin the wheel of logical fallcies... :eyes:

[donco6]

35. Knock it off

"Please people, for the love of whatever higher power you believe in, do something. We are all complicit in this man's murder if we don't at least try to do something."

Sorry, guilt motivators TURN ME OFF!

Had enough of that in my years as a fundamentalist.

[DemLikr]

37. Mirth and laughter are absolutely necessary for mental health

You have no idea how much time and effort ANYONE on this board puts into activism on their own; what's more, you have no right to judge regardless.

I for one, find it very difficult to walk with my panties in a constant twist.

[Selwynn]

60. You had the same first reaction I had ---

However, if you read it again, you see that this issue had been posted three separate times with next to no respose. Now, for a community as large as ours, that's pretty pathetic.

[rasputin1952]

38. I apologize acmavm...

I had not heard of the case before.

I went to the links you provided, and have e-mailed the Governor of CA as to my opposition of the DP in this particular case. I am anti-DP anyway, but this case definitely seems to be skewed, and needs to be looked into further. A stay of execution is not asking that much in this case, and if Mr. Cooper is executed, there are no, "take backs".

I don't know if Mr. Cooper committed this crime; but from what I have seen, there is reasonable doubt.

I hope and pray this comes to a resolution where Mr. Cooper will be treated fairly and allowed to live. I have passed on your original post to others that are anti-DP, and I am sure they will act as well.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention; sometimes, things slip through the cracks.

O8) :hug:

[rasputin1952]

39. Kick....too important to fall...

:kick:

[Mikimouse]

40. Sorry I missed the previous postings, I was away from the

site and missed them when I logged on. I am enclosing the text of the message I just sent:

Dear Sir,
I have recently become aware of the pending execution of Kevin Cooper, an in mate in the San Quentin facility. After reviewing the available details of Mr. Cooper's case, I an frankly at a loss to understand why the case is 1) considered closed, 2) why the execution of an apparently innocent man is going forward (does his race and social class have something to contribute to this?), and 3) why there has not been a REAL investigation of evidence tampering in this case. Not to put too fine a point on it, but there has been a spate of such cases in the recent past, with a case in Tulia, TX in which there was falsified evidence presented by a fraudulent 'undercover' law enforcement officer. The record in California is not one either, to be envied, as there have been multiple charges of evidence tampering and hidden evidence in the past. I urge you not only to stop this execution, but to reopen the case. This case may be a landmark in reestablishing the credibility of our criminal justice system. Lack of action on your part would be tantamount to murder, and would simply verify, in the minds of those of us who already have serious misgivings about the term 'criminal justice', that we are probably correct in condemning it as a racist and classist institution. Sincerely, XXXXXXX

[rasputin1952]

43. Very well said...

:kick:

[Mikimouse]

45. Thanks Ras...

It is something that I have very strong feelings about. Too many problems with the system to ignore.

[Deja Q]

42. I was expecting something else...

I didn't see Janet and the boob exposing her boob during the Superbowl and I could care less if a bunch of 8 year olds saw it. They've got boobs too and it's a freakin' part of the anatomy. When they yank off Janet's (or even the boob's) bottom and put something in, then I'll start to worry.

DUers being uncivil toward each other is what I was hoping you'd have said.

I'll see what I can do about what you've said though! WIll try to get back...

[dawn]

46. I didn't post about it, but I've emailed Ah-nold about Kevin.

I should have mentioned that!

We do care!!

[berry]

47. Protest sent

I'm glad that you posted this alert, but like others I do think that you could refrain from blame. I, for one, almost never get beyond editorials, LBN and GD. If you are getting a better response now, I think it's less because you shamed us all than because you posted in a forum that more people see. Try to have a little more faith in us!

[Darth_Ole]

48. acmavm, I'm glad you're angry.

And getting pissed at DU'ers is fine by me because many DUers(myself included) weren't aware of this or were apathetic. I'm glad you brought it up, because this Tuesday there's going to be a real tragedy.

Protest sent!

[Tinoire]

49. Done. Thank you n/t

[Lorien]

50. Did you previously post in activism

and events? That may be the least visited forum on DU, sad to say. I often wish that it didn't exist, because if those things were posted here in GD, I think they would get a lot more attention.

I'll read those articles and take action. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

[rasputin1952]

51. We're getting there...

I can understand your being ticked...but, I clicked this thread almost as an afterthought. If I would have had an inkling a life was at stake, I would have sent e-mails and faxes earlier.

But...we're getting some action now. Please.....pass on the links to tohers that can help; we've got one hell of network out there, and this needs to get out through 'buddy lists' etc.

Hope and pray we can make a difference!

O8)

[Don_G]

52. I Have Problems With DU Too

Some members here got "yanked off" when I contributed to a candidate that wasn't their choice and others got upset because I was helping a former DU member to get off welfare after I spent a few weeks getting to know her.

I log in only once or twice a week now and I doubt that I'll contribute again. I guess being a liberal is fine as long as one fits into a clique here.

[Selwynn]

58. Well, that's not EXACTLY how it happend there Don ~

But whatever you say. :)

[Sibanetta]

53. Okay, I e-mailed Ahnold.

You are obviously totally stressed out by this, and it's understandable. It's unfortunate that this is happening at a time when all of us are so concentrated on getting rid of the Bu'shists. I don't think it's that people don't care...I think it's just that they're involved in other important things....and I'm not saying that a man's life isn't important.

I really don't know the details of the case, so can't speak to that at all, but if there is even a shred of doubt about hid guilt, them he shouldn't be in the position he's in now. It's horrifying.

Sibanetta

[burrowowl]

54. I sent my message to Ahnold

3 days ago.
I have noticed that vanity threads get more responses than call to action threads. This disappoints me. Maybe DU should subdivide into a DU-lite site.

moratorium.org

is a good source for DP issues.

[Seldona]

55. Email sent.

I hope Kevin recieves a new, and fair, trial.

Only in that way can justice truly be served.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

56. kick

[Selwynn]

57. You know, at first I reacted defensively to your post, but the more I read

...the more I think you're have a valid point about DU. I think we tend to rant a lot about things that really don't matter, or things that do matter but for which we can really take no immediate action. But then when it comes to things that are immediate and critical, we just skip ahead to the next political "gossip" thread.

I don't want us to be all rants and no substance. I send my letter just a few minutes ago. Thanks for demanding DU's attention to this.

Sel

[G_j]

63. I don't mention this often but

there is some major wheel spinning here.
A lot of energy dissipated.

There is also such thing called "action".

[Name removed]

59. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Selwynn]

61. Just becuase his thread style is a turn off, doesn't mean the subject is..

..not important.

So are you NOT going to take action becuase you don't like what the poster had to say? Or is it that you believe the case agaisnt cooper really is strong and he deserves to die? If not then what? Is it that you just can't be bothered?

[DS1]

62. I'm wise enough to recognize that DU twists

and distorts as much as anywhere else, and I'm looking for analysis on my own, thank you very much.

[DS1]

64. There, I wrote a letter, but the reason why this was missed is obvious

It started in what's so frequently referred to as the Gun Dungeon, hardly anyone goes there.

And for your reading pleasure, we all know that Ahnold is a man that loves to slide his movies into his speeches/phrases...

Dear Governor,

I always believed that railroading the first person suspected of a crime directly to death row was a Texan tradition, apparently this is not the case.

Governor Schwarzenegger, please seperate the truth from these lies, terminate a barbarian justice system gone bananas, the collateral damage of a predatory Prosecutor's office should include erasing a man from society.

Thank you for your time.

[Bonobo]

65. e-mail sent. eom

[Hammie]

66. Innocent?

The guys own website doesn't even claim that he is innocent, merely that there might have been accomplices. The fact that the possible others didn't get caught hardly mitigates his guilt.

[Maeve]

67. Update--stay of execution granted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=354451

[Az]

68. There is only so much that can be said

about a truly horrible incident. Situations such as the Superbowl incident open many possible tangents for conversation including a plethora of humurous reactions. Socially the response to the more somber issues is far more limited. We react to situations that do not harm people more often with humor (though gallows humor sometimes arises). Thus you will always see more reactions to less emotional incidents than you will to true tradgedy.

[karabekian]

69. kevin cooper is guilty

his blood found at the murder scene, his dna on cigarettes in the families stolen car, his DNA and a victim's DNA on a shirt found. Footprints at the scene with shoes only availible to prisoners. Case closed IMO.

[Snow]

70. IMHO the death penalty opponents are wrong to play up the man's

innocence, of which, karabekian, I'm reasonably convinced - there's a lot more to the story than the short list you cite. Be that as it may, I firmly believe if you're going to oppose the death penalty, you have to oppose it period. No opposing it only for minors or the mentally handicapped, no espousing it for the killer of the 11-year old girl in Florida or for Ted Bundy. The accursed process does not work and there's no possible way in heaven, earth, or hell to fix it. And we should speak truth - the word the media likes so much is 'closure'. Friends, the proper word is 'vengeance', just like it is speaking truth to call the Dept. of Defense the War Dept.

[K8-EEE]

71. I Didn't Look At Your Thread As I Am Already Active In This

In fact I am going to the vigil this evening in Westwood.

[K8-EEE]

73. Stay Is Granted....GREAT!!

When I checked this morning it was still looking doubtful This is great news and I guess I don't have to go to the vigil after all, yeah!

[ronnykmarshall]

74. Great news!

I've following this case since I heard about it on KPFK. Good news, hopefully the truth will come out.

[ronnykmarshall]

72. Execution post ponded!!!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040209/ap_on_re_us/cooper_execution_11

[rasputin1952]

75. WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!

As if it was too much to ask for a hearing on the evidence that seems to be tainted.

Thank God! I think the DP sucks, and should be abolished, but if there is ANY chance an innocent individual may be executed, the LEAST that can be done is give the individual a hearing.

O8)

[ComerPerro]

76. Three points I would like to make

1. I am aware of what is going on with this issue, but I don't have the facts. I feel that by the time I do get the proper facts, it will be too late for me to do anything about it. That is, of course, assuming there was anything I could do in the first place.

2. I do not read anything involving a member of the Jackson family or any gossip shit like that, and most of the other posts to which you are reffering occur in the lounge. Its completely different than GD.

3. I am replying to this thread so late into it that no one will read my post anyway.