They have Osama bin Laden.

[Sophree]

I was pretty sure before MTP, now I'm convinced. They have him. Bushie all but said so.

*******
Russert: Senator Charles Grassley, a Republican

President Bush: Yes.

Russert: said he is absolutely convinced we will capture Osama bin Laden before the election.

President Bush: Well, I appreciate his optimism. I have no idea whether we will capture or bring him to justice, may be the best way to put it. I know we are on the hunt, and Osama bin Laden is a cold blooded killer, and he represents the nature of the enemy that we face.

These are these are people that will kill on a moment's notice, and they will kill innocent women and children. And he's hiding, and we're trying to find him.

There's a I know there is a lot of focus on Iraq, and there should be, but we’ve got thousands of troops, agents, allies on the hunt, and we are doing a pretty good job of dismantling al Qaeda better than a pretty good job, a very good job. I keep saying in my speeches, two thirds of known al Qaeda leaders have been captured or killed, and that's the truth.

Russert: Do you have a pretty good idea where Osama is?

President Bush: You know, I'm not going to comment on that.

*****

They f*cking have him. Be ready come October. It's their ace in the hole.

[Eurobabe]

1. so then we must prepare the sheep

to believe that this is nothing more than a publicity stunt, a PR spin, just like Saddam.

Will it make us safer? Will it cure the economy, jobs going overseas and healthcare woes?

n/t

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. A Big Thank You to the troops for catching Binladen

We should all start publically thanking the US military for capturing him now.

[Catch22Dem]

2. I hope you're wrong and I hope you're right

I hope you're wrong because my fear is that it will give Bush another 4 years on the backs of the morons who care about nothing else.

I hope you're right because we can all agree he's a dangerous terrorist. Not like the "terrorists" who talk a little shit then disappear into the depths of Camp X-Ray. No, this guy is bad, obviously.

ON EDIT: I'm sorry, I don't mean to trivialize terrorism. I won't trivialize terrorism because It's real, but...well, you all know where I'm coming from.

[Sophree]

6. Your DU name suits you.

Catch22. ;-) :D

I agree, and didn't mean to imply that I'm upset that probably have him- just at the implications for the election. And the fact that they are holding onto him for POLITICAL GAIN. :grr:

[ComerPerro]

13. That is what most people should be pissed about, and that

should not be overlooked when he is dragged out.

Our (The Democratic) postition should be
Its good that they caught him, but its just disgusting and shameful that they dragged it out just so they can use it for political gain.

[Sophree]

19. Right

Because capturing OBL IS important to most Americans. If we say it doesn't change anything, etc. (even though we'd be right) we are going to sound extremely silly to most Americans, like it or not.

[Catch22Dem]

15. LOL...good call. Never thought about the irony there.

:)

[Mari333]

3. They were talking about it on Wolfie today too

a Reporter from Time magazine mentioned "they look like they are closing in on Osama" and then he said"Of course a lot of CONSPIRACY THEORISTS think they already have him"
Oh ya? wanna bet hes on ice right now? you bet he is..and they will pull a PR stunt to pretend they got him

October surprise.

[lancdem]

5. What I find strange is

if they had Osama, wouldn't it be smarter to play down expectations and act like he'll never be caught, so his "capture" would seem to be surprise? Having that military guy say they will catch him this year just reinforced people's suspicions that there will be an October surprise.

[Sophree]

20. I think they're conditioning people.

So it WON'T be so surprising and/or strange when it happens right before the election.

Madeleine Albright already accused them of holding him- she knows a lot more than we do. I know she took it back, but she never would have said such a thing if she wasn't sure.

[RainDog]

10. why don't they stop terrorist by denying them funding?

why don't they go arrest Bush's former biz partner, Kean's former biz partner until 3 weeks before his appt to the 9-11 commission, Poppy's friend, Jackson Stephens and fellow Nat'l guard awol James Bath's partner,

AND bin Laden brother-in-law Khalid bin Mahfouz.

They certainly know where he is if Kean was in biz with him in 2001.

They also know that he is listed as a financier of terrorism, and that he was one of their money buddies via BCCI.

So, if they're really serious about stopping terrorism, why don't they investigate offshore banking, and current terrorism funding, the bin Laden/bin Mahfouz bizzes in Oxford, England,

the connection to both Pakistan (and Bush Sr.'s arming them with nuke components) and to Saudi Arabia?

Just wondering.

[radwriter0555]

4. bin laden has been dead since December 2001. I dare anyone to prove

otherwise.

[ThoughtCriminal]

9. Maybe they can find

the pay stubs.

[Sophree]

23. I don't know.

Perhaps you are right. And I know this isn't incontrovertible truth, but he appeared (to me) to be plainly lying when he was answering the question (paraphrase) "Do you know if he'll be found?"- looking up and to the side. And then the "I don't think I'll comment on that right now."

Watch the tape and tell me what you think.

[Ardee]

38. many experts have already proven you wrong.

Tapes received from him have been authenticated thus he is still alive, ipso facto.

As he was trained by our CIA, equipped and armed by them originally, and as he is but one man, however wealthy , his death or capture is really quite meaningless. As if the fight to overthrow the yoke of oppression, and believe it that is what they fight for, could be stilled by the death of one man...such sheer unadulterated nonsense.

[PragMantisT]

7. Sure

That's how they got the 17 page letter to OBL from Iraq asking for help in starting a civil war.

[newyawker99]

36. Hi PragMantisT!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[nostamj]

8. it doesn''t matter

he got NOTHING from Saddam, and that was his BIG badboy.

capturing OBL does NOTHING except accelerate recruiting. NOTHING.

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1100757

[ThoughtCriminal]

11. Timing

Find him on or after Halloween and the bounce won't wear off in time.

[DrBB]

12. It's a quasi-mainstream view

See J K Galbraith's piece in today's Salon. He shows how the stats pretty much guarantee an October surprise. He shows how Bush's baseline decline in approval has been impressively constant, and deduces that only an Osamma "capture," carefully timed, will rescue him in time. Gotta be in October to counteract the underlying trend, and shows that Osama is pretty much the only option. Very much worth a read: Bush's Hail Mary

[madrchsod]

16. ok they get bin boy around october

now does anyone think the boys are going to say "we give up,you caught bin and we don`t know what to do"?? i`d place money that soon after he`s "caught" all hell will break loose across the world. bin`s just one little piece of the puzzle. there`s is more than just the "al qaeda" out there..

[ComerPerro]

17. Lets assume they show him off in late October

All hell may indeed break loose in the world. But not here in the US.

The media will be so busy kissing Bush's ass that they won't report any terror attacks that may go on elsewhere in the world.

If its not happening in the US or to Americans, the population of this country doesn't give a shit.

So, they will ride the waves of popularity from the "capture" through the election.

And then, once their power is secure, the media can report "all hell breaking loose" all they want. The administration doesn't give a shit. They have what they want. Power.

[Steven_S]

18. An October Suprise

Whether they have him now or not, one thing they might do is STAGE a little performance for October:

In the "Badlands" between Pakistan and Afganistan they come upon intelligence from reliable sources that OBL had been located within a certain network of caves.

They deploy 10,000 troops and enough resources to put on an impressive show for the Fox News crews to broadcast back home.

For the next two weeks, 24/7, it's video feeds of mountains being shocked and awed. Then they ceasefire, and come back with a bag of mush suspected of being OBL because they found his meds and walking stick next to it.

Just before the election, glory be, it's HIM, it's OSAMA.

George W. Bush, selected by God and Antonin Scalia to be our Glorious Savior for 4 more wonderful, prosperous years.

God Bless America

[Djinn]

22. they don't need him

personally I think he's already dead - all those bunker busting nukes they dropped - did they sift through all that rubble??? check for DNA?

anyway - the Bushists don't need him, they know a much more effective way of winning elections than conning the public into voting - and as they completely and utterly got away with it last time why wouldn't they do it again - what's stoppping them? maybe I'm just too cynical today but I think the outcome of the election already been decided

[mazzarro]

21. I do not believe that Bin Laden will be taken alive, if he is not dead

yet. Unlike Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden seem to still have quite a good amount of personal support around ME and in Pakistan.So I don't think it will that easy to get to him at one's convenience.

[devilgrrl]

26. Me neither...

Unless it's one big grand scheme where all the major players are in on it and make out like bandits.

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

[BiggJawn]

24. We'll know for sure come Hallowe'en...

'Cuz that's when Chimp will have his Triumph that will propel him to election....

[devilgrrl]

25. I can't believe that Bin Laden would be taken alive...

the way he's described anyway. Afterall, he's supposedly some big, evil, bad ass motherf***er and all. :shrug:

Does anyone else?

[Snappy]

27. Al Q.

The org. is much more than Osama. He is the spokesperson. The warning has been given. If the Admin. doesn't have him yet then they havejust anounced their plans. Al Q. is composed of cells and many of them are no longer on the border of Pakistan. Most are now in Southeast Asia. His capture will not incapacitate the cells that will strike. I still feel another strike is coming within the USA. Whether that will keep the Neo Fascists in power remains to be seen. Nothing is a sure thing.

[DemLikr]

28. How could a scam this huge and obvious be kept a secret?

I suppose I'm being naive, but surely someone in the line of involvement with capturing, holding and then falsely announcing the capture of OBL would spill the beans...? No?

Won't even the most oblivious American find an October "capture" a tad too conveeeeeeeeeeeeeenient?

[ComerPerro]

33. I would have thought they would have found 9/11 too convenient

But they didn't. Don't think they will realize an October capture is a scam.

[Sophree]

34. Somebody did spill it

To Madeleine Albright.

I know, :tinfoilhat: big time. But he was obviously lying. Watch the freakin tape.

[sendero]

29. Capturing Saddam...

... gave Bush* no enduring advantage, I don't understand why anyone would think capturing Osama Been Forgotten will.

He'll have to do a lot better than that to turn the tide of discontent with his continual and uninterrupted failure as president.

[Sophree]

35. Even the sheeple realize

(even if they don't realize that they realize) that Saddam Hussein was not really a threat to us, so his capture is meaningless.

OBL is different- if not in reality, then as far as the American Psyche is concerned.

[guitar man]

30. Disgusting

Bush's priorities
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our
Number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!"

--- George W. Bush, September 13, 2001

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
It's not that important. It's not our priority."

--- George W. Bush, March 13, 2002

Now what,he's a fucking "priority" again? He wasn't important when the BFEE wanted to go to Iraq to loot the place,now they need him for re-election,the big manhunt is on again. Give me a fucking break!

[boobooday]

31. Could it be an anti-climax?

We can only keep raising hell about all of his lies, and ultimately the Bin Laden thing won't be enough to save him.

I'm still waiting for Saddam Hussein to take the stand and talk about his relationship with Rummy.

The we can have Bin Laden talking about his anti-Commie training by the CIA for the last war in Afghanistan.

Where is Saddam now????

Jeanette

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Zinfandel]

32. Yes, the Bush military already have bin Laden.

No doubt about it.

Rove is just waiting for the right time to announce it and get a jump in the polls along with some other bullshit policy Bush will announce to go along with his silly capture and presentation.

[eagler]

37. Rush keeps saying when another 911 happens-

the whole nation will unite behind Bush and forget about the democrats.

[eridani]

39. Go on the counterattack now

If all it takes is sending a special team after him, why wasn't this done right away, instead of war on two countries?