Russert just said that AWOL's pay stubs and tax records can't be found

[NNN0LHI]

Said reporters at the White House press briefing today asked about them today and Bush's press secretary said they can't be found. Yea sure. Tweety is interviewing Russert now on Hardball. They can't find his military service discharge record or DD Form 214 either.

Don

[Mz Pip]

1. That's the beauty

of shredders.

MzPip
:dem:

[papau]

22. my goodness - 24 hrs ago I was being told it was confirmed that Denver had

the records - and now they are gone

surprise, surprise

:-)

[Terwilliger]

2. PAY STUBS??

I mean....hell, the government keeps better track of the money than anything else...


They can't find pay stubs???

[arcane1]

3. how convenient

didn't * get a new driver's ID# and SSN at some point?

[9215]

10. Yes, in 1995 Bush got a new Texass

drivers license



In Hatfield's book "Fortunate Son" there is a footnote on a 1995 purging of Bush's driving record in Texas:

Although Texas requires renewal of a driver's license every four years on one's birthday, Bush obtained a new number (a nine digit 000000005) on March 31, 1995 as a renewal instead of on his birthday, July 6, which the texas Department of Motor Vehicles called "highly unusual". Online Journal correspondents Bev Conover and Linda L. Starr also noted in their investigation that in Texas, "every infraction of the law--from a parking ticket to homicide--appears on your Texas Driver's License Detail. It was publicly reported that George W. shot and killed a protected species while bird hunting in 1994 and paid a fin of $130 on September 2,1994. That is the sort of thing that gets listed on a Texas Driver's License Detail, but it doesn't show up on George W's because when he received a new license in March 1995, the record of paying the fine--along with anything else that was cited--was deleted with his old license number". Ironically, the Texas Department of Public Safety (which issues state driver's licenses is headed by James Byrne Francis, Jr. one the governor's closest friends and fundraisers. (Fortunate Son, Hatfield. page 303)

[LisaM]

34. This is a bit off topic

but what is with this gang and bird hunting?

[arcane1]

46. birds are small, helpless, beautiful , easily mangled, etc...

all the things The Bushes love to destroy

[VOX]

75. It means if his bird-killing record can be expunged, then certainly...

his service records would be wiped clean by a family that likes to keep no trace of their history. For obvious reasons!

[Greylady]

4. Sure

what a surprise.

[Malva Zebrina]

5. Heh--then that is the story

records cannot be found! Bush did say they were scoured right?

I think if this is reported, people will certainly lose all respect for Georgie boy. I mean those people who voted for him. NOw they are faced with the lie--
Bush went AWOL for a year or more, no records are there to prove he showed up for duty, he says he did, but, oh my,

the records "cannot be found" LOL Bwhahahahahhahahahahahahha

Oh please--how stupid do people have to be. There is certainly somnething very smelly about this whole thing. And Bush lied to Russert. Well, of course, not EXACTLY lied, just said he would release records that were not there.!!!! heh, Bush is in big, big trouble and this actually scares me because I think he is so evil that he will do anything to remain in the White HOuse. we are in danger, actually, from our own president!

[Jackpine Radical]

43. "we are in danger, actually, from our own president!"

I felt that way about Nixon too. After the Saturday Night Massacre I expected to wake up to tanks in the streets of Madison, WI. and a declaration of martial law.

[leesa]

60. I fell much more in danger from this crime family.

Alot of the same players but a lot more powerful

[kainah]

72. Yes, Jackpine Radical

The Saturday night massacre happened on my 21st birthday and it had me so scared that I just sat there shaking the rest of the night. I remember so clearly after they broke in with the first news of it and then they broke in again to say that the FBI had sealed off Archibald Cox's office. it was totally terrifying.

[pinniped]

6. Ya just like the WMD's can't be found either.

But what will be found is the exit door when that ASSHOLE gets kicked out. Damm squatter.

[burrowowl]

8. The WMD will be found

They will be planted.

[Terwilliger]

12. They'll be WITH the records!

All of it locked in a vault at the Bush library!!

[flamingyouth]

7. I'm pleased that this story is being talked about

Now we need to keep it out there non-stop for the next nine months.

[PaDUer]

15. This is one truth that

they didn't want since a bit came out in 2000, but was quickly hushed..Now, let him due his time in the brig and let all the truth out on everything...Think we should get the tomatoes ready to hurl.

[dweller]

9. And why am I suprised??

uh, oh that's right. I'm not.

:grr:

dp

[Bandit]

11. Hmmm ~ Sometime between 2000 and now they got "lost" I guess

Remember he said they were all released in 2000.

[JPace]

13. His tax records for 1972 are missing.....

isn't that convenient?

What is more is that AWOL is totally absent
of outrage. Imagine someone accusing Kerry
of being AWOL and watch out for the black
eye you'd be in for. After that he would
present records and just look at the hero
vets around him supporting him. Where are
AWOL's National Guard friends?

AWOL sends our troops off to get killed and
he was AWOL himself!

[dmr]

73. Exactly, JPace, where is his outrage?

I would angry, but he is not. I would think that any person who served their country would be so freakin' angry, but, yet he is not.

For good reason he is not outraged at the missing records, the Bush family is very good at leaving no paper trails. And, what paper trails that do exist (Presidential papers, for example), they refuse to provide.

Having no records holds no water. Hard to imagine that both George's* own records given to him personally, and those that are archived in the Pentagon are all missing. Nope, it holds no water, and if it did, George* would be mad as hell.

[radfringe]

74. trivia on tax forms

trivia: the actual paper forms, once reviewed and processed by the IRS, are sent to a recycling plant, the recycled material is then sold to companies that make toilet paper....

so given that bit of trivia -- maybe they are looking in the wrong places for the tax records....?

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. They went through great pains to make sure there were no

records of this. Bush said yesterday that there weren't any records, and he sounded quite sure. Now it's his word against theirs.

[indepat]

16. Ahhhh, what a shame!

[UpInArms]

17. Well, you know it's very hard to find

things that don't exist.

He didn't show up for duty - therefore there are no records showing that he did.

So how can records of his attendance be found???

Or is he like Saddam, saying he had something that didn't exist?

hmmmm....

Bush and Hussein - 2 of a kind - duces

[Thor_MN]

37. Not to be too picky, but you left out an "N"...

"Bush and Hussein - 2 of a kind - duces"

Bush and Hussein - 2 of a kind - dunces

Right? :)

[Jackpine Radical]

45. Not a good word to misspell.

Kinda like "moran."

Hey, Thor--Know your Norse mythology?

What is the name of the realm of dyslexic trolls?

Misspellheim.

[Rebellious Republican]

18. Just in from Fox News: Reporters contacted the former custodian

of said records, PFC Gomer Pile. Pile, now living in Mayberry RFD, was quoated as saying. "Well golllyyy, the last time I saw those records Sgt. Carter said he would take care of them. He said something about having to dump a goober and he was walking towards the latrine. I saw him pull out one of those Cuban ceegars as he was walkin' in. He always likes to smoke one those ceegars while he is in the latrine ya know. Then a few seconds later, SHAZAAM, the latrine just blew up. Thats the last time I saw either the records or Sgt. Carter, it just goes to show ya that smoking really is bad for your health".
:crazy:

[Bunny]

36. Good One!

:)

[PsN2Wind]

19. How about Social Security records

Do they show FICA contributions commiserate with what a NG Lt. (1st or 2nd) would have earned in that time period. We can all get ours from the Social Security Administration by just asking. Unless, as the most fortunate of fortunate sons, they paid him whether he was there or not. Too far-fetched, hey "Iwas given and Honorable Discharge", he says, over and over and over and....................

[papau]

23. EXCELLENT - Social Security records should be a 24 hr turn around

this is fun!

:-)

[ignatius]

20. For God's sake..did he screw up big time yesterday when he said

he would release them? This was taped. maybe they haven't had time to make them up yet.

[Wickerman]

21. No payroll records, no tax records, no military performance or discharge

records? When your family is SO well-connected and you admit to a colored past the only conclusion is that someone broke the law to purge your files. That is the ONLY possible conclusion. How many other citizens have their entire existence purged by the military and the IRS for the year that seems to have been their most "troublesome"? Amazing coincidence. Corrupt, through and through, that is what we need to nail down and keep distributing.

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

24. here are bush's records fyi..

Service Records
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bushservice.htm

Discharge Records
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/bushdischarge.htm

i havent seen paystubs or anything else.

careful, this all may be to take the heat off of bush for no wmds, and help propel kerry's electibility. bonesman-style.

[Rebellious Republican]

28. Is it just me or does there seem to be a huge gap in 1st Lt. ?s

nameBLACKED OUT , service? 72 May 26 last entry 22 days, to his report date 1 Oct. 73. Am I missing something besides No name and 17 months unaccounted for!

[NNN0LHI]

41. Its not just you n/t

[0007]

58. 'Tis not you man, not only is this gonna be a biggy...

wait till they have to explain how junior jumped over 512 other men in the Texas National Guard to fly.....and without an ROTC commission. This is going to be a big issue and embarrassment to the many involved.

Pvt. Bush reporting for duty sir, LOL!!

[Wickerman]

59. Not exactly, or even close, actually

Yeah, I've seen all the stuff that is floating around out there. He is still minus performance reports. The ones that are available (not in this group) say "Not Seen This Reporting Period," or something to that effect. The discharge form is not a DD214 - what you posted is in effect a transfer to the disciplinary unit. the DD214 is the final seperation from service which would list his discharge type and date.

[notadmblnd]

25. Well theres always his social security statement

it wont list individual paychecks but will have a total of his earnings for the year.

[marigold20]

26. No wonder he said "sure", we'll release them (smirk)

..

[AirConditionedGypsie]

27. How many of us have our tax records from 1972?

I don't.

[Terwilliger]

31. I'm sorry, but you're not president of the US

If Bush himself doesn't have his records, the government should

and REMEMBER this man's father was a congressman and long-time serviceman...would he let his son be so reckless?

[grasswire]

32. no, but you can get a copy from the IRS...

...if you are the POTUS.

[Lars39]

33. Here's a thread posted by DU veterans. They can find their paperwork.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1081070

[PaDUer]

35. Yes, I have mine...

and since he's acting the part of the POTUS, I'm sure they're already being printed up..
Oh what terrible webs you weave, when you practice to deceive..

[AirConditionedGypsie]

42. Good thing he is not a lawyer who lost his billing records...

We would really be creaming him.

[thebaghwan]

52. I was honorably discharged from the USAF on January 29, 1969, and I

still have all the paperwork I was given that day.

[nolabels]

53. What are kind of people that joined the military who don't get a DD214

Dead or AWOL?

[TankLV]

57. I do!

Plus all of my receipts, etc.

[TXDemGal]

29. "can't be found"...Translation =

"Were destroyed years ago, along with all other evidence that might prove definitively that Smirk was a coke sniffing deserter."

[kath]

69. EXACTAMUNDO, cheryl!!!

[peacetalksforall]

30. Ask Tweety to ask Allbaugh and Bartlett...

Bush aides - Ask Tweety to ask them of there is anything to the claims of Burkett that aides took care of having the records disappear. Allbaugh and Bartlett were in charge of 'communications' for G.W..

[Snappy]

38. I have mine.

I was given all my service records upon discharge.

[PaDUer]

40. Ditto

have the same here.

[mn9driver]

47. Me too; they've been taking up space in my files for 24 years,

but unlike w, somehow I managed to hang on to ALL of my records-even my instrument checkride in 1983 that SUCKED. All there.

Maybe he'd like to borrow them.:evilgrin:

[LiberalFighter]

48. Need Vets to testify to that statement

over and over and over in public

[spanone]

39. Wow I'm just shocked, shizzzam, my goodness, geeez, can't be

Does anyone really think these things will surface? C'mon now.

[Fovea]

44. Are they sure?

Maybe David Kay could smoke them out.
I know! Maybe Usama bin Forgotten has them.

[pacifictiger]

50. a caller on cspan

earlier today said he was ashamed to admit that he was young and irresponsible in the guard back then, but his point was he still managed to get an honorable discharge put on his record.

[DrBB]

49. Like he said, they "scoured the records."

He wasn't lying. He never lies. His people scoured those records, 'n' so there's nothing there to be found.

I don't know why you people don't believe him.

[PsN2Wind]

55. Scrubbed

would probably have been more accurate.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. I bet the CIA has a copy...

...and will release it in due time.

[thebaghwan]

54. I was in the USAF from 1965 to 1969. Every ANG guy I met was well

connected. In late 1965, I was at Gunter AFB, Montgomery, Alabama. We were learning field medicine procedures. Man it was cold, never know the deep south got cold like that. None of the USAF regulars had a field jacket liner, we were never issued them, but all the ANG people had liners. I remember doing a hitchhiking rally and I got picked up by this kid he was about 19 driving a brand new midnight blue 409, 4 speed chevy. Me and my partner talked with him and he was totally unconcerned about the Vietnam War, because he was from one of the South's poultry families (like Tyson or Zackies). He said his "Daddy" would take care of it.

Whaen I weas stationed at Vandenberg AFB, Lompoc, California in 1968, we had a USAF freservist in oir office doing his 6 months of active duty. He was from Santa Barbara about 45 miles south. He went AWOL, word was he went to the Haight. He was the son of the owner of a big construction company.

Wonder if he got an honorable discharge???

[alfredo]

61. On Haight street, one could get a nasty discharge.

But you are right, a lot of reservist and guard were from money or well connected people.

I was raised with George Wallace's nephews, they both got in the Guard. Their dad was an officer (Major) in the Guard. Most likely he pulled the strings, but his brother's name sealed the deal.

[Dr Fate]

56. Is'nt that cute- the lil' fella lost em'!!

Well, I'm glad that's all cleared up now- he "lost them."

[SoCalDem]

62. They have no problem finding Civil War military information

but junior's "magically" disappeared..??

All they need to do is find the records from his "unit" and show that everyone else's records are all there..

[wellstone_democrat]

63. I lost mine!

Somewhere in some move but...it only took TWO WEEKS for the USAF records to be dug up, copied, notarized and sent to me. In fact the DD214 complete with SPN code (probably WHY an "honorable" can't be found in the Chimps case , btw, the dreaded SPN code tells many a tale) got to me in 10 days I see from the envelope. That SPN code might hint at why he's one of the few with an honorable from the ANG pilot ranks that didn't get that "gimme" promotion to captain on the way out the door but left as a lowly 1st Lt. Hmm. Just bad luck I guess, eh?

What an unlucky fellow, eh? Driver's License reissued and the records attached to the original license (and Texas puts EVERYTHING on the DL record): missing

Federal records for tax filing and witholding for 1972 and 1973: missing

DD214 and record of service: missing

do you think someone is out to get him? I mean really, how can so many documents in so many different places be "missing?"

[TacticalPeek]

70. They still used spin codes in '73, fer sure (and SPD).

"Examples of a few spin codes:
SPN 258 - Unfitness, multiple reasons
SPN 263 - Bedwetter
SPN 41A - Apathy, lack of interest
SPN 41E - Obesity
SPN 46C - Apathy / Obesity
SPN 463 - Paranoid personality"


SPN 123 - Stupid, to be president, too

[boobooday]

64. I bet those documents were lost under a democratic administration

It was probably Jimmy Carter's fault.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[Woodstock]

68. No, it had to be Clinton

Where is Ken Starr when you need him. :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

65. Note the '..........' in the caption.. Reuters put them there ..hee-hee

President George W. Bush accused Democrats on February 8, 2004 of misrepresenting his record of attendance in the Air National Guard at the height of the Vietnam war. According to a copy of the National Guard document granting him an 'honorable' discharge on Oct. 1, 1973, Bush completed five years and four months of service -- less than the obligatory six years. No evidence has been found to show he reported to duty in Alabama during a transfer from Texas in the summer and fall of 1972. Bush is shown in his Texas Air National Guard uniform in this file photo from the 1968-73 period. (George Bush Presidential Library via Reuters)
Reuters - Feb 08 2:14 PM

[yellowcanine]

66. I found an ancestor's Revolutionary War Pay Stubs

in the National Archives. And Shrub's can't be found? Something is seriously wrong.

[mountainvue]

67. Lying

sacks of shit.:-)

[longtimedem25]

71. The military can't find my records....

I'm sure the military can't find the Chimp's records. They've been sealed in a mayonnaise jar on Funk & Wagnall's porch since noon today.

[Q]

76. Anyone remember this article?

Bush Aides Possibly Altered National Guard Records To Conceal Grounding and Missed Duty

by Bob Fertik
November 4, 2000

Aides to Texas Governor George W. Bush visited the Air National Guard
archives at Camp Mabry in 1997 and possibly altered Bush's military service
records to conceal Bush's grounding from flight in 1972 and subsequent
missed duty, according to a former senior official of the Texas National Guard.

Bill Burkett, a Lt. Colonel who was the State Plans Officer of the Texas
National Guard at the time, said Bush operative Dan Bartlett headed a
high-level operation to "scrub" Bush's Air National Guard record, to make sure
it was in synch with the biography that the campaign was preparing.

The book, "A Charge to Keep," was authored by Bush and his principal
spokeswoman, Karen Hughes. Hughes was recently exposed during the DUI
sidebar involving reporter Wayne Slater as the person who strictly controls
what Bush is allowed to say.

At the time, Bartlett was Governor Bush's liaison to the Texas National Guard.
Bartlett is now the campaign spokesman who has provided misleading
information to the press on several occasions about Bush's military service.

Continues...lost direct link

[kodi]

77. got thru to cspan this morning and cited the missing dd214 document

added that all is fair in love, war and politics and debunked clinton draft dodging issue.