AWOL: we still need to see the DD214! Where is the DD214?

[grasswire]

THAT is the official record of Bush's military service.

The "discharge paper" being displayed is an NGB22. We still need the DD214.

[Nashyra]

1. Rep Ford from TN

* AWOL non issue let it go, what a bunch of Bs. They might not have to go into attack mode but they certainly could be smart enough to at least ask for the DD214 or say let the public decide with so many NG and reservisist going to war.

[EXE619K]

6. That was sick!

Ford and the "stop crying in your teacups" remark!

It seems that the Pink Tu-Tu Democrats stick together!

[buff2]

9. Ford is too conservative

He talks more like a repuke... "non issue" "let it go"....yeah right. Dems should just lay down and let the repukes run all over them. :eyes:

[tom_paine]

13. Ford is angling for Leadership in the Sham Opposition Party of 2020

If he keeps up his sycophantic Imperial bootlicking, he might get the job, too.

[BeatleBoot]

2. Thanks Grasswire...

I've been beating my brain today trying to remember that document number.

DD214...DD214...DD214...

I thought the same thing when I saw Scott McLellan trotting out their spin-shit today.

DD214...DD214...DD214...

Max Cleland was talking about that document on Hardball last night.

We need to press this one home...just show us the DD214's....

[Vickers]

3. DD214 would also show his medals/awards, if any

That would be pretty funny:

Corpus Christi Campaign Medal

Bronze Lone Star

etc.

[EXE619K]

10. Don't forget....

The Brown Star of Courage!

At least that what we used ta say.

[buff2]

4. That's right

Why didn't those reporters bring it up today? It seems like they don't do all their homework....ever. Geez...

[Az]

5. I'm not military but

Isn't the NGB22 the release paper for Guard duty and the DD214 for the actual armed forces?

[FrankBooth]

11. This is an important question

"Isn't the NGB22 the release paper for Guard duty and the DD214 for the actual armed forces?"


Does anyone know?

[Bandit]

16. Yes that is the National Guard's equivilent to DD-214

He did not receive a DD-214

[buycitgo]

7. Sgt. Grasswire!

you GO!

I was looking for the DD214 designation on the discharge paper posted here...wondered what the number was

thanks?

and did you see the note from the other thread that helped account for his missing days?

will see if I can find it.....

explained the AWOL thing to somebody at work today who'd NEVER heard about it, then showed him the note.

he wasn't surprised "that Bush would pull something like that," then LOLed HARD when I showed him the ''note!''

[FrankBooth]

8. I just asked my father about DD-214

My father recently retired and applied for Social Security. He couldn't find his DD-214, so he had to contact the Navy. They mailed him a copy. He said that the DD-214 is part of the military's permanent record.

My dad got an honorable discharge from the Navy in 1962.

Where the hell is Junior's DD-214?

I fear that it sleeps with the fishes.

[grasswire]

14. hammer the press! where is the DD214?

I wrote to David Gregory, and am about to write to Terry Moran and some of the others.

If you have ever needed to spend 15 minutes to impress the press, it is now.

Get busy. Write your favorite reporter.

NOW.

DD214.

Here is a list of WH correspondents

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/administration/whbriefing/correspondents.html

[Another Bill C.]

12. No DD214 for reserve or Guard duty

The only way a reservist or National Guard member receives a DD214 is if he were called up for active duty beyond scheduled training duty. Bush wouldn't have one.

[grasswire]

15. that's not what others are saying.

Phil Carter, of the Veterans Society at UCLALAW is asking for the DD214.

You can see his site at http://philcarter.blogspot.com/

I'm just telling ya what he told me.

[atreides1]

17. NGB22

NGB Form 22:Report of Seperation and Record of Service is issued to a reservist when discharged from the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard. The format is the same regardless of which component of the National Guard the reservist served under.

The NGB22 is similar to the DD-214. So Bush should still have a copy of his DD-214 when he was released from active duty, because training
falls under active duty.

What is needed to show where he was or wasn't is a copy of his MPRJ 201. His 201 file will show where he served, and even National Guard
personnel have 201 files.

Also if you look at his NGB22, there is no history of any awards or decorations, not even a National Defense Service Medal, which was awarded to all persons for HONORABLE ACTIVE SERVICE. The period for
Vietnam was January 1, 1961 to August 14, 1974, this was within the time that Bush was serving. So why did he not receive his NDSM?

So while he may have been given an honorable discharge certificate, perhaps his active service for training wasn't so honorable.

So what is needed is a copy of his 201 file, that and that alone will
settle the final question.

[ma4t]

18. question will never be settled

"So what is needed is a copy of his 201 file, that and that alone will
settle the final question."

Sorry. Nothing will settle the final question. This is probably heresy but it is starting to look like a situation where Rove said, "Give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves."

Let's think about it for a minute. Bush himself knows the full story and I'm sure Rove does. They wouldn't have kept quiet this long and then started releasing documents unless they thought it would be to their advantage. They figured someone would take the bait and they seem to be right. Don't be surprised when this blows up in everyone's face.

[Karenina]

21. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Just look at any recent pic of the *dimwit and tell me WHOSE face is blown up. Bitte.

[Another Bill C.]

20. I've had this argument with

the Veterans Administration. They say that routine reserve or NG training duty does not count as active duty and a DD214 is not issued to a reservist/NG member unless they have been called up to serve on active duty beyond the training requirements.

[moondust]

19. Human corroboration is necessary.

Documents can too easily be Photoshopped.

It also seems to me that you could be set up in the payroll system and get paid and have records of it but still not attend meetings or drills. You might only have to buy off the company clerk who keeps the attendance records. Or your old fighter pilot congressional daddy might only need to pay a visit to the company commander.

[jmowreader]

22. A document from the 1970s that was faked today would be easy to spot

Flip it over and look for letter-shaped indentations from the typewriter.

[buycitgo]

23. richard cohen said he did just that in a column yesterday or today

said he skipped out on meetings/drills and still got paid

I hate that prick

apostate whore who did anything for money

[kurtyboy]

24. You don't get a DD-214 for Guard service

I know, I was a guardsman. Well, you do get one for any activation that involves NATIONAL service---only when the President Federalizes NG troops (and for initial training, at Lackland AFB & whatever tech school you attend---Bush became a pilot).

This did not happen for GWB*. He was an ANG officer, so his separation will only show the NGB22 (I use this same document to prove my VA status to this day...).

But so what! He says he attended equivalent drills in Alabama, and ther ought to be a record. If there isn't. we have reason to doubt his story.