LIHOP is not a theory It is FACT

[FreakinDJ]

I am sure he is using the same technique he used to divulge the Plame’s name in the Joe Wilson pay-back. This time Cheeny is covering up some very sensitive tracks. I believe he is offering up Chimp-boy’s military record to keep us looking in the wrong direction

Here is the kicker: This was posted this morning and I didn’t see anyone make the connection..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1103706#1103716

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This really concerns me....

Before you read the testimony of Norman Mineta, below, please realize that he is talking about events of 911, just after the second plane hit the second World Trade Tower, and right before the third plane hit the Pentagon. Keep in mind that, at this point, Cheney knew that the third plane was headed for a Washington target. This is very frightening.

The testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta on May 23 about Cheney's actions is revealing. Mineta said he arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operating Center (PEOC) at 9:20 a.m. where he observed the Vice President taking charge:

Mineta: There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out.The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?"

And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And.

Hamilton: The flight you're referring to is the.

Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

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If the little pencil necked staffer is asking does the order still stand. He is clearly talking about the order “NOT TO SHOOT DOWN THE PLANE”

This means WE HAD THE MEANS TO SHOOT DOWN THE PLANE AND DIDN’T USE IT.

That means that LIHOP is not a theory it’s a FACT

So Mineta is not lying when he says there are no orders to shoot down the plane. He does not mention if there were standing orders NOT TO SHOOT DOWN THE PLANE.

[thebaghwan]

1. What does LIHOP stand for?

[rfranklin]

2. LET IT HAPPEN ON PURPOSE!

It looks more and more likely with every other outrage they perpetrate.

[dflprincess]

3. Let it happen on purpose

Though given what I've read here, I leaning more to MIHOP - made it happen on purpose.

[FreakinDJ]

4. You got to ask yourself WHY

WHY would the staffer keep mentioning the planes distance to the Pentagon?

Why does he question Cheeny's standing order?

Some thing is not right and Mineta squirmed through this line of questioning like shit out a duck's butt.

In all likelihood Bush is going to Squirm his way out of his Military record. I still think the real story is here in LIHOP. This Administration has dodged the bullet so many times on the issue. The DNC is softening up the Media like a prize fighter going for the mid-section. Just look at Bush's poll numbers and credibility.

Before when we asked the questions it was all about "How can you criticize the President during a time of War. Now the media has the gloves off. Let's hear the questions now

[BeFree]

5. One has to wonder...

Why Cheney is not heard scraeming "What? That Plane is still headed for us? Why hasn't it been shot down yet? What in the hell is the Air Force doing?"

Ol' Norm woulda remembered that! Instead all we get is "Orders still stand".... makes sense that the orders were for the Air Force to allow it to fly on.

[ThoughtCriminal]

6. Missing information here.

"Orders still stand"?

Orders to do what?:

Shoot plane down?
Not shoot plane down?
Find out how the Pet Goat story is going?
Super size the "Value Meal"?

[leesa]

14. Right. I would think it was his order to have the jet fighters stand down

seeing as how they were loping along trying as hard as they possibly could not to be there on time.
Even not shooting them down, doesn't standard procedure during a hijacking call for visual contact with the cockpit to see who's flying the damn plane? Why wasn't even that small thing done? Did we not want to know who was flying that plane? I'm pretty sure we didn't because then we couldn't be sold on the Muslim mythology.
How can these "pilots" live with themselves?

[FreakinDJ]

7. Then when you read the full transcripts of the line of questioning

Mineta successfully changed the subject

Its almost as if he planned to go in there and drop that Bomb and then nothing else. So at a later date he could say he was honest about what happened down in the command center.

Then as soon as the committee wanted to get into specifics he changed the subject. "Plausible deniability"

Read for yourself here

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

edit to add link

[MrPrax]

8. Orders still stand?

On a day where there is a national readiness simulation going on?

What does it all mean?

[Doctor_J]

9. I think when the AWOL thing has been wrung out

this will be next on the platter for the press corps. Dick may even have to come out of his undisclosed location and answer questions.

[Minstrel Boy]

10. IMPORTANT: the order could not have been to shoot down,

because Cheney did not have the conversation with Bush in which he recommended a shoot down until nearly 20 minutes after the Pentagon was struck.

From the timeline:

After 9:56: After flying off in Air Force One, Bush talks to Vice President Cheney on the phone. Cheney recommends that Bush authorize the military to shoot down any plane under control of the hijackers. "I said, 'You bet'" Bush later recalls. "We had a little discussion, but not much."

The order to shoot down the planes came AFTER the Pentagon was struck.

So - "Do the orders still stand?" "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" - what's that about?

[FreakinDJ]

12. It is a clear as the smirk on Chimpy's face

The order must have been NOT to shoot down the plane

[leesa]

15. No pursuit.

They wanted to let them hit their targets. They did not even want the fighter pilots close enough to see who was piloting the aircraft.

[RBHam]

11. Mineta Dead Pool...

When's his next flight?

[FreakinDJ]

13. Let me get this straight here

The Vice Pres is down in the situation room. The staffer (acording to Mineta) is calling off the distance of flight 77 in relation to the Pentagon (meaning they have contact with some one who has a Radar) and NORAD does not????????

In fact the General says the RADAR was all pointed the wrong way. Who was providing the information the Cheeny is the situation room ??????????

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Well, is it not the case, General Arnold, that there was an open line established between FAA, NORAD and other agencies, including CIA and FBI, that morning?
GEN. ARNOLD: Well, I wasn't on that line at that particular time if that were the case. In fact, there is an open line established between our sectors at really the tactical level where they are controlling the aircraft talking to the FAA controllers from time to time. We did not have an open line at that time with the FAA. That is not accurate.
MR. BEN-VENISTE: You did not. You were not -- NORAD was not in contact --
GEN. ARNOLD: The continental United States NORAD region, my headquarters, responsible for the continental United States air defense, did not have an open line with the FAA at that time.

[Minstrel Boy]

16. kick n/t

[napi21]

17. Is there a transcript of this interogation available on line somewhere?

I watch S-span a lot, and I never heaard any of this stuff!

[Minstrel Boy]

18. Here's the link to Mineta's testimony, which includes the

"Do the orders still stand?" tidbit:

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

[Selwynn]

19. How in the hell can you go down that line of questioning....

...get to the place where you've got a statement like than and then not demand to know what the order actually was?! I'm reading that they changed the subject? :mad:

Saying that this open question (what was the order?) makes anything fact is some amazing redefinition of the word I was previously unfamiliar with. However, that doesn't mean this is something to dismiss. So far the bulk of evidence seems to me to put us somewhere in the domain of wishing for it to happen/letting it happen.

But I think we have a long, long way to go and a lot more work to do before we're calling anything fact.

Now, has this bit of info gotten into the minute by minite 9/11 timeline ?