Nomination for Top Ten conservative Idiots

[VTMechEngr]

Virginia Tech College Republicans. The Young Democrats faced off the CRs in a debate tonight that focused on 5 topics: Iraq, Gay rights, Economy, Affirmative Action, and the Patriot act.

Anyhow, after the President of the YDs said that the new amendment proposed to the constitution would be the first to remove rights for a select group of people in the US, The CR debating had this to say:

"This would not be the first amendment to remove rights from people, look back at the 13th amendment to the constitution. That removed the right of Slave Owners to have Slaves."

Unbelievable. More to follow tommorow.

[Edge]

1. My God...

weren't they on there before? Or was it anothe group of College Republicans?

[VTMechEngr]

4. another Group n/t

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[wuushew]

2. Technically they are correct

If they had said they opposed the 13th amendment then it would be an automatic shoe in.

[K-W]

3. Slave owning is not a right

at least last time I checked.

[VTMechEngr]

6. The only good thing from this quote

We did well on that topic. The guy we were debating was a fundamentalist.

[tobius]

8. it was

"Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

[wuushew]

10. Not now of course

The Supreme Court thought otherwise in 1850's however

[Eric J in MN]

5. every right affects another right, but why does he care

Every right affects another right, but why does he care more about slave-owners than slaves?

Most people today are more enlightened on that subject than many in the 1800s.

[tobius]

11. "cares more about the slave owners?"

how is that deduced from correctly answering a question about the constitution?

“A child of five would understand this, send someone to fetch a child of five” — Groucho Marx

[VTMechEngr]

13. If you had heard his slurs of Gays

The comparison of Gay marriage to a toaster/Man union and other such stuff, I believe you would get a feel of how his argument actually came out. It sounded like he was outraged that people could not own slaves. Trust me, It shocked the audience.

[tobius]

16. I'm positive he was outraged that he couldn't have a slave!

[tobius]

14. hey, why do you assume it was a he?

any bias there?

[VTMechEngr]

15. Oh I don't know...

Maybe because I was sitting 15 feet away from him speaking at the podium? I doubt my eyes are that bad.

[tobius]

17. that reply was to #5 n/t

[Eric J in MN]

7. by the way, prohibition took away the right to drink (nt)

nt

[jansu]

9. Oh I wish they were in the land of.....

but, we forget many think they still own slaves....but now it is all the poor working people. Also, what about the alcoholics?

[tobius]

12. they are-"slaves to their addiction" (n/t)

[ComerPerro]

18. Wow

That is a pretty pathetic argument.

But I imagine most conservatives lament the loss of the "right" to own slaves.

[wuushew]

19. Actually I am sure they hate the 16th the most

when they lost their "right" to earn an unlimited amount of untaxed income.

[tobius]

20. please, logic not emotion

guess its hopeless. Just a simple answer to the questi.. never mind.:boring:

[ComerPerro]

21. your point?

[tobius]

23. ok

"Anyhow, after the President of the YDs said that the new amendment proposed to the constitution would be the first to remove rights for a select group of people in the US, The CR debating had this to say:

"This would not be the first amendment to remove rights from people, look back at the 13th amendment to the constitution. That removed the right of Slave Owners to have Slaves."

btw, I don't want a slave-anyway, it seems to me that response is technically correct.

  "If you are sure you understand everything that is going on, you are hopelessly confused."
                                        -- Walter F. Mondale (D-MN)

[ComerPerro]

24. Granted, however

My point was that if I were the debater, I would probably try to find a more sympathetic cause. Perhaps an amendment making alcohol illegal... ?

Besides, the other thing I didn't like here was the Republican's attempt to compare homosexuals with slave owners.

He was implying that homosexually was morally reprehensable, on par with owning slaves.

That is just bullshit

[tobius]

25. yes maybe there were

at least 2 examples. Sorry, I wasn't at the debate, so my responses were to the original post. Without the context I was unable to figure out where the outrage was coming from. The inference was that it was unbelievable to question this-
"President of the YDs said that the new amendment proposed to the constitution would be the first to remove rights for a select group of people in the US"


Logos

n : the divine word of God; the second person in the Trinity (incarnate in Jesus)
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

[VTMechEngr]

26. Ok smartass, you chose the wrong Logos

n Greek, logos translates into "word" or "reason". In rhetoric, logos refers to systems of reasoning. Logos, along with ethos and pathos, make up means of persuasion called pisteis, or kinds of appeals effecting an audience.

http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/gallery/rhetoric/terms/logos.html

[tobius]

27. please

"Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter."
African proverb
Ethos must attend to the various character types if the speaker is to address his audience successfully. It is a simple concept to comprehend because just as one has to go down to the level of a child to speak to a five-year old, the speaker has to be able to communicate in the specific type of language depending upon the whom the audience consists of.source-www.lcc.gatech.edu
“A child of five would understand this send someone to fetch a child of five” — Groucho Marx

[VTMechEngr]

22. If you are going to argue with Logos...

Better set up some ethos other than your rather mean spirited attacks on other posters.