1,188 Americans Dead in Iraq

[TNOE]

Good article.

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/yourson.html

[ComerPerro]

1. I think I am going to be sick

"The split-second that soldier is removed from contact , he is officially listed as 'wounded', regardless of whether he then dies 3 seconds or minutes or hours or days or months later, as a direct result of injuries sustained in the contact. Deaths in transit to the U.S., or after soldiers return home are also excluded completely, or become 'accidental deaths'. This is how Wolfowitz and his people massage the figures, and how the American public is misled."



:puke:


Add to this the fact that Smirky hasn't been to a single funeral, hasn't acknowledged the bodies coming back...

Here it comes again

:puke: :puke:

[Brian Sweat]

3. I would not put a lot of stock in this article.

I have seen several cases where soldiers have been reported as having died from their wounds and been added to the official list. Also, there is an official list of all the American soldiers who have died as a result of action in Iraw. Even those that died as a result of "accidents." This list is widely available. If hundreds of loved ones who died as a result of action in Iraq where not being reported as havng died as a result of action in Iraq, there would be a great out cry from their families.

[nostamj]

6. "Zionist masters" reference in the first photo caption

not going to read the whole thing....

[ComerPerro]

7. Yeah true

Maybe I posted too quickly.

I had actually heard a story on right wing radio this morning while out that was discussing how the death toll had been under reported. So I think I somehow made a mental connection...

[DaBigJagov]

12. Don't believe everything you hear....

...on right-wing radio!!

[ComerPerro]

15. Well, see, here's the thing

If its on a biased source and it makes that side look bad, I usually tend to believe it.

For instance, if Limbaugh says that Bush lied about so and so, I am inclined to believe that. Why would he lie about it.

In fact, I am inclined to think he is downplaying it to some extent.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

19. I have a family member who works....

unloading the "tubes" in Germany, and during a holiday visit they said that the numbers of dead are "significantly" higher than is being reported.

I trust what this person is saying.

[DaBigJagov]

2. You've got to be kidding !!!

There is NO WAY any rational person can believe that article.

[ComerPerro]

5. If nothing else, consider this

Do we know how many wounded there are?

Each attack, for every soldier killed we have about 2 or 3 at least wounded. And not just "Oh I cut my hand", but more along the lines of "My hand was blown off".

If nothing else, this article makes you consider the very high rates of attrition that we are experiencing in this war.

More people are being sent home than you know.

If this campaign continues, we will need more troops. Many more

[DaBigJagov]

11. What's to consider???

The article is a fabrication on the KILLED, not the wounded.

[TNOE]

17. Oh - you obviously have it on good authority that the

dead are what the gov tells us?? Interesting. You probably also believe that 9/11 was done by Arabs?? This picture is posted on the site..... this isn't somebody who is in a Rove/pocket type of guy.

[DaBigJagov]

4. More Joe Vialis silliness..................

http://www.911visibilityproject.org/home_run2.htm

This crackpot is the type of 'journalist' that takes away from those sane people that are trying to make Americans understand tha truth.

[seventhson]

14. Hey - I liked that article

I still think it has some plausibility AND actua;lly makes the most sense to me.

That is also exactly what intelligence sources were predicting prior to 9-11 (remote crashing of jets by neoNazis allied with Islamic fundamentalists connected to US intelligence).

I have posted links to that article many times (Jim Hatfield, Online Journal, July 5, 2001). Hatfield was suicided two weeks later.

I wonder why.

Vialss creeps me out. But I think it is a very Rovian tactic to leak the truth via unreliable aources so that both the info and the source can be discreditted.

I think the awol story may actually be a planted fake to make us all look like idiots and make Bush smell like a rose. I know it is a ruse. But most americans do not pay attention anyway.

[seventhson]

8. Problem with Vialls

Is that he blames Bush's "Zionist masters" and discredits his whole article by using this inane and disinformation smear.

The Bushes are Nazis and Fascists. So are their allies. Nothing Religious about it. Anyone can be a fascist, and socalled Cristians and Jews and Muslims cannot be excluded.

But to blame Fascism on Zionism is not only EXACTLY what the Bushes want, it is wholey wrong. These are interdependent fascist entities.

There are Zionists who are as opposed to Bush as you and I are. It is not monolithic any more than Christianity is.

For Vialls to spew this filth while trying to convince us he is accurate on anything else (and he may be 100% accurate on everything else) is like claiming something like "Sharon and his 'Christian masters' murdered 18 Palestinians in Gaza today."

Were there Christians involved in giving Sharon guns and rockets. Hell yeah. WE gave them the guns.

But I think if anyone thinks their is a religious motive or even justification behind Bush's or Sharon's actions they are deluding themselves. It is all about Mammon: power lust and greed.

We have to call these things when they emerge. Otherwise we discredit ourselves.

Vialls reporting on the FACTS of the casualties is excellent. But when he spins it into an antisemtic or even antiZionist rant saying Bush is a Zionist puppet he loses all credibility and is very well serving the Bush agenda by alleviating BUSH from responsibility as head of this putrid octopus of death. WE, the American people, allowed Bush to take power the same way that Israelis "let" Sharon win and the Iraqis "let" Saddam stay in power.

Blaming a religious "other" is exactly how they keep us divided.

Vialls ought to keep his bullshit to himself and stick to the facts. He does us all a disservice as it s unuseable as a credible source.

[TNOE]

13. Good post Seventhson

I think the writer makes some good observations though - we can no longer doubt we are being lied to.

Interesting a poster with 11 posts is poo-pooing it.

[seventhson]

16. Vialls is always problematic because he reduces it to his antiZionist rant

so even when he is right he is wrong (if he includes his polemic)

I may disagree with fascists who are Zionists, but to blame fascism on Zionism is an old fascist ploy. Hate the Jews, they say - it ain't us Christians' fault all this death and destruction.

Blame it on Schlomo, says George as he is stealing your bank account and sending your kids off to die.

[StClone]

9. Dying with Statistics

Why can't they face an accurate count if their policies are driven my honorable intentions?!

[TNOE]

10. I Have No Doubt

That we are being lied to about the number of casualties, the number of wounded and the number of more bodies needed for this conquest. As I have no doubt that we have been lied to about the reason for this war, 9/11, etc., etc. We are in a web of deception - since the beginning of 1/2000.

[seventhson]

18. I agree. and Vialls may be spot on in this respect.

Why does he have to screw it up with his reiteration of fascist disinformation?

For anyone interested in the ortigins of this ploy please read "Der Fuehrer" by Konrad Heiden. Houghton Mifflin 1944. The BEST analysis and very timely on how fasism works and how this technique of blaming Jews and Zionists works to distracxt us from the real criminals and deviants in power.

It is a must read for anyone who wants to understand Bush and his guild of corporo-fascists.

Really a must read. You are damn near ignorant without it.