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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 02:51 PM Original message |
African-American uneasy with "gay marriage" comparison |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. I am not African American, I am white, and gay |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Thanks, Teena. I agree with you and |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I don't agree that... |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
97. You make some excellent points... |
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gWbush is Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. i do not agree |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It's not because they are gay... |
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daveskilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. you know what he was getting at. |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Beautifully said. |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Thanks for your thoughts daveskilt |
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Caution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. they are different issues with a similar root cause |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. not to mention |
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Taeger (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
91. No acceptable workplace protection laws ... |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. How can something be banned that doesn't exist? |
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daveskilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
50. exactly - an ammendment to restrict rights is a scary thing |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. Semantics |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. I will take issue ..somewhat.. |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. We shouldn't constantly compare movements to each other |
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gWbush is Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. matthew sheppard was persecuted |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yeah. I should not have weighed in on this issue. |
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ConcernedCanuk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. "I'll only end up pissing either group off, or both." - right , |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Hell, someone's got to weigh in all guns blazing. |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. No, Matthew Sheppard was brutally assaulted by idiots. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. ...because of his sexual orientation. |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. I don't disagree with you... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. You are correct that Matthew Shephard, |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. "Gay panic" defense. |
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kayell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
95. Actually, the gay panic defense was use successfully in TN @ last week |
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justjones (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
73. I'm not sure if this was an isolated case, but |
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psyntist (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. I know many many people |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
104. You're completely wrong there |
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daveskilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. The comparison |
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psyntist (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
80. Scope is relative |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. The issues are very similar |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. It's a strict legal statement |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Here's another legal argument |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. Good angle/excellent post |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
14. Similarly |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. I am a black gay man. |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Thanks skypilot |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Excellent post |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:47 PM Original message |
Marriage is currently not considered a right-- |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. So if a whole class of people were automatically |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Some more about the right to marry |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. Voting IS codified in the Constitution-- |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. You are mistaken, it is not codified in the constitution |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
90. perhaps you don't understand "codified" |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
33. But... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Correct. We have a need to change a law-- |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. As I stated in another post... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
101. Loving v Virginia established marriage as a right |
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mike1963 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Well put, skypilot. |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
24. "We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny..." MLK |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
27. I agree with you-- |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. OKAY |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Right-- but this is how the game is played-- |
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Jesus H. Christ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. This is like the antisodomy laws. |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Answer-- |
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Jesus H. Christ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. I'm not trying to cast you as anything. |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Oppression can mean a lot of things... |
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psyntist (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Your gay friends are lucky |
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Taeger (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Not a gay issue |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. So, are you saying it is all in their heads? |
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psyntist (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 10:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Discrimination is real |
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Jesus H. Christ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Ah, I see. You have many gay friends. |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. You choose not to get my point-- |
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Mattforclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. I don't understand |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. "fundamental to our very existence and survival." |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Thanks John... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. For you-- It's just John-- |
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Jesus H. Christ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Pretty much the same. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
88. semantics |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
28. I hear ya. I'm uneasy with it too. |
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Paragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. Here's what I'm "uneasy" with |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
62. Why, exactly, |
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Ysabel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. if you can see why it would be offensive... |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
30. ## Support Democratic Underground! ## |
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roughsatori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. It is not about who is the biggest victim--it is about equal rights |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Thanks for the insults, but... |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. No contradiction in these struggles. |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Sorry, didn't mean the quotes as you took them... |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. I'll try not to be defensive. |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Guys- we're on the same side on this issue-- |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Maybe I missed it... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. What other rights are we talking about? |
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psyntist (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Other rights |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:32 AM Response to Reply #70 |
105. Over 1000 rights and responsibilities conferred with marriage |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. I'll try not to be defensive. |
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sherifffruitfly (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
51. who's the biggest victim? |
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Strapping Buck (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. couldn't resist but... |
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sherifffruitfly (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. all of which is not to say.... |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
54. This African American |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. And this black gay person does not agree with you. |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. Well let us agree to disagree. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. I don't know of anyone who has said they were the same. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
71. The struggle of one does not take away |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
75. No, the only way they're similar |
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geniph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
76. The struggle for African-Americans to have full civil rights |
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transeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
78. So you'd be willing to give up the right to marry a white person? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Right. My right to marry |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. bingo. |
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psyntist (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
89. Sorry but they are more similar than not |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
94. Maybe not the whole civil rights movement-- |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-13-04 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
99. I remember... |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
100. You gays have it good.... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:13 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I'd say his priorities are screwed up |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
103. Sorry to horn in on your oppression monopoly |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-14-04 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
106. I completely agree and this is what bothers me about this... |
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