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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:52 AM
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CNN: "Where The Jobs Wil Be"
No new info here, just a recap of trends we've seen developing for a long time.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/02/12/pf/jobs_blsprojection/index.htm?cnn=yes

"Judging from the latest 10-year jobs forecast published this week by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, service industries have the brightest future, although it can't be said that many of the positions with the greatest prospects are high-paying."

"Other service industries projected to have a higher than average job growth include the information, transportation and warehousing, and leisure and hospitality industries."

There are a couple of charts in the article that make the picture much clearer. In the "Largest Growth 2002-2012" category we have Retail Salespersons (596,000 jobs), Customer Service Reps (460,000 jobs), Combined Food Prep and Serving Workers (454,000 jobs), Cashiers (except gaming, 454,000 jobs), Janitors and Cleaners (but not housekeepers, 414,000 jobs), Waiters / Waitresses (367,000 jobs) and much, much more.

The "Fastest Growing Occupations" chart does list two Computer Software Engineer categories (applications and systems software, at 179,000 and 128,000 jobs each respectively) and Network Systems, Data Communication Analysts (106,000 jobs), with the remainder being primarily in healthcare. There's no mention at all regarding the "Outsource Potential" of the tech jobs, or even if the intention is to create them in the U.S.

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"The top 10 occupations with the largest expected employment growth include registered nurses, for which 623,000 new jobs are expected; postsecondary teachers, whose ranks are expected to grow by 603,000 jobs; and retail salespersons, for whom the BLS projects 596,000 more jobs will exist by 2012."
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:56 AM
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1. How encouraging.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 11:57 AM
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2. And exactly how many
McDonald jobs and service jobs expected? Low paying jobs abound in 2012.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:00 PM
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3. Time Magazine
Most growth will be in very low wage jobs
and even those jobs are being filled by
immigrants. This looks dismal for American
workers. They need to get mad!

Time Magazine Nov 24, 2003
“Where The New Jobs Are”
(Predicted growth between 2000/2010)

Food preparation and serving workers (673,000)
Retail salespeople (510,000)
Cashiers (474,000)
Office clerks, (general) (430,000)
Security guards (391,000)
Waiters and waitresses (364,000)
Truck drivers (346,000)
Nursing aides and orderlies (323,000)
Janitors and cleaners (317,000)
The other six are...

Customer service representatives (631,000)
Registered nurses (561,000)
Computer support specialists (490,000)
Computer software engineers (380,000)
General operations managers (363,000)
Postsecondary teachers (315,000)

Top 10 jobs with the largest projected losses,
2000/2010

Farmers and ranchers (-328,000)
Order clerks (-71,000)
Tellers (-59,000)
Insurance-claim & policy processing clerks (-58,000)
Word processors and typists (-57,000)
Sewing-machine operators (-51,000)
Dishwashers (-42,000)
Switchboard operators & answering services (-41,000)
Loan interviewers and clerks (-38,000)
Computer operators (-33,000)


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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:01 PM
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4. "post-secondary teachers"
means?

trade school teachers who can retrain outsourced workers for what jobs?

adult education?

grad students who teach at large research Universities for very little pay?

post docs who cannot get jobs in industry?

just wondering.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:10 PM
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6. Here is one....
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm#nature
Postsecondary vocational-technical education teachers provide instruction for occupations that do not require a college degree, such as welder, dental hygienist, x-ray technician, auto mechanic, and cosmetologist. Classes often are taught in an industrial or laboratory setting where students are provided hands-on experience. For example, welding instructors show students various welding techniques, watch them use tools and equipment, and have them repeat procedures until they meet the specific standards required by the trade. Increasingly, vocational-technical education teachers are integrating academic and vocational curriculums so students obtain a variety of skills that can be applied to the "real world."

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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:53 PM
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15. Hadn't thought of those...
I hope at least some are college professors, otherwise all my friends and I are in serious trouble!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:55 PM
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17. TAs working for $10k/yr
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:09 PM
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5. Warehouse = storage place and distribution point
for all those cheap imports.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:23 PM
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7. Twice the jobs at half the pay. How nice.
n/t

:evilfrown:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:29 PM
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8. oh goody services jobs = WalMart, Home Depot, JC Pennys, McDs .....
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 12:31 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
and let me pay $120K for my childerns degrees to insure she/he gets one of these projected jobs in 2012...nurse or teacher
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:15 PM
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13. and remember that nursing and teaching are really "callings"
your heart has to be in those jobs - they are not something to "fall back on" - they are very tough jobs that require absolute dedication.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 12:42 PM
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9. Don't forget the *new* worker overtime pay rules
The *compassionate* part of Dumbya's conservatism.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 02:08 PM
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10. servitude; serfdom; chattel property ...
Edited on Sat Feb-14-04 02:28 PM by cosmicdot
wonder if Legal documentation is a glutted field (Document and Data Management and Administration applications and services)?

are these the off-shore positions???
Customer service representatives (631,000)
Registered nurses (561,000)
Computer support specialists (490,000)
Computer software engineers (380,000)
General operations managers (363,000)
Postsecondary teachers (315,000)

people should keep the ears and eyes open for opening one's own cyber shop ... find 'something', some business, one can do via the computer ...

it was a service economy when there were Guilds and Apprentices ... start a Guild at Home.

the {hamburger} assembly line {is back}, but are the unionized?


Corporate Feudalism.

Service the Rich.



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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:12 PM
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11. "We 'serf' over a zillion customers daily." : )
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:27 PM
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12. What REALLY kills me
is that health care and tech jobs, both of which I could imagine my children performing, are the areas that may be subject to a special DRAFT if the Army decides it needs them.
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thermodynamic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:24 PM
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14. The last I saw
Many IT positions (programmers, et al) were being shipped to third world countries where the men do nasty inhuman things to their women. That trend isn't going to taper off and I can see how many more can be carted over there.

Worse, the jobs that remain here have been devalued.

Apparantly, businesses feel that $40k is sufficient for a WAN administrator with a bachelor's degree, numerous certifications, and years of experience. $40k to support a whole network and be responsible for their data, especially if there's a catastrophy? The CEOs are real bastards, that's for sure... x(
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 04:55 PM
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16. that's when it pays to be a luddite. (nt)
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