How can you talk about global warming...

[brainwashed_youth]

When I'm freezing my goddamned ass off here in Tampa Bay. I mean, seriously, it's the coldest winter we've had in what, 20 years? I find it funny to listen to people who talk about global warming nowadays.

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. Chicago is finally above 32 degrees after more than a month.

Global warming???

:shrug:

[brainwashed_youth]

2. lol

nice try. but seriously, these environmentalists are good people at heart(i think), but I bust out laughing when I hear them talk aobu tglobal warming as i SIT THERE SHIVERING IN FLORIDA WHERE I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO SHIVER!!!!!!

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. What is the temperature in Florida?

A friend who lives in Largo emailed me the other day about what a balmy winter she is having.

[brainwashed_youth]

9. I livei n Largo

it is really cold here. Unfortuneately, it's not snowing or anything. But it was freezing today. I think it was like 40 degrees. Now, I know it may not seem that cold to others, but for Florida, it's cold.

[Maeve]

84. Largo Florida Weather

Today: Plentiful sunshine. High 69F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph.

Tonight: Mostly clear. Low 46F. Winds light and variable.

Tomorrow: Sunshine. High around 75F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph.
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USFL0271.html

[neoteric lefty]

10. ah

you nancy boys! I've lived in Florida all my life and it feels GREAT!!!! :) No actually it been quite cold this winter in Florida but I surely hope you aren't serious about questioning global warming. Your comments sound like those that fundies make who say, "It feels colder than last year... therefore there is no global warming???" I guess scientific research is just too much to ask for them.

Kinda pissed though b/c I was supposed to go rock-climbing tommorrow but its gonna be like 45-50 deg. BRRRRRR!

[brainwashed_youth]

13. it's just that

It's not that, it just seems very humorous to hear people talking about it when the whole country is freezing their ass off, that's all

[neoteric lefty]

22. yeah i know

its hard to look at the BIG PICTURE when you are wiping fronst off of your car in Florida. The way that I think about it, it is all because of those damn northerners and their cold weather. Somehow the southeast US caught the cold that New England had. Those slimey bastards!

[brainwashed_youth]

28. FUCK YEAH!!!

Goddamn Yankees...

[G_j]

69. next time I suggest posting in the lounge

you appear to have no intention of dicussing this seriously

:shrug:

**How global warming will cause extinction of a million species
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=47...
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**Global Warming is Here Now, Say U.N. Delegates http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121403G.shtml
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**Global Warming Kills 150,000 People a Year, Warns UN
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121303G.shtml
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**The Four Degrees (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit): How Europe's Hottest Summer Shows Global Warming is Transforming Our
World
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=471135
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**Earth Warming at Faster Pace, Say Top Science Group's Leaders
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1218-01.htm
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**Climate Change Laid to Humans
Report Warns There's 'No Doubt' Industry is Primary Cause
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1204-04.htm
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**'US Climate Policy Bigger Threat to World than Terrorism'
by Steve Connor
www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0109-02.htm
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**Melting Ice 'Will Swamp Capitals'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120903H.shtml
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**Inuit begin rights case over global warming
www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336885565.html
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**Swiss Study Predicts Scortching Euro Summers
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/23871/story.htm
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**Global warming imperils ski slopes
Resorts need to move uphill as snow line continues retreat.
http://www.news-leader.com/today/1203-Globalwarm-232039.html
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**Climate Change Alert
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http://www.climateark.org/news /
**Climate Change Portal
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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
**How Global Warming May Cause the Next Ice Age...
by Thom Hartman
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http://www.nwf.org/nationalwildlife/article.cfm?articleId=880&issueId=...
The Incredible Shrinking Polar Bears
By Jim Morrison

In Canada’s Hudson Bay, a long-term study confirms they are losing weight and bearing fewer cubs as global warming melts away their icy habitat. Is this a preview of what other populations of polar bears will soon be facing?

[aldian159]

12. Yeah

walked outside this afternoon for lunch and it was so warm I took my coat off. Then again, "so warm" is like 40 degrees this time of year.

[brainwashed_youth]

16. seriously

you live in chicago, 40 degrees ain't nuthin to you. If you lived in Florida, you would have a reason to complain

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. We have reason to complain.

Like the 10 inches of frozen snow on the ground.

[brainwashed_youth]

19. snow....

I remember what that looked like once. We used to have it in Georgia during the winter....

[RobertSeattle]

3. Read this

http://www.ucsusa.org/gulf/gcstateflo_hea.html

[Kathy in Cambridge]

4. Boston had the coldest January since 1888

Despite what you hear about cold New England winters, Boston has pretty moderate temperatures in January. The average high is 38 and low 30. We had days in the single digits and windchills below zero. It was awful!

Tonight, a part of Mass that rarely gets snow-Cape Cod-is getting buried by a Nor'easter. High winds (40 mph+), coastal flooding. And Boston hasn't had a flake of snow.

[codegreen]

5. it's actually global climate change, calling it 'warming' is antiquated

right-wing friendly US jargon. it's a term we need to abandon, because it isn't very accurate and it is easily ridiculed.

global climate change is real and is serious.

watch or read the Al Gore speech/presentation on this issue at Moveon.org. it's good.

[LincolnMcGrath]

7. Equatorial warming

Global warming may in fact cause a warming of the equator and subsequent ice age in places to far from center. :scared:

[teach1st]

8. I'm in the Tampa area...

...it ain't so bad this Winter. I thought last Winter was colder by far.

[brainwashed_youth]

11. Last winter

Had a few really really cold days. This winter it has been cold pretty much all the time with a few exceptions. I know, I live in the Tampa area

[kaitykaity]

14. Read this also.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm

How Global Warming May Cause the Next Ice Age...
by Thom Hartmann

While global warming is being officially ignored by the political arm of the Bush administration, and Al Gore's recent conference on the topic during one of the coldest days of recent years provided joke fodder for conservative talk show hosts, the citizens of Europe and the Pentagon are taking a new look at the greatest danger such climate change could produce for the northern hemisphere - a sudden shift into a new ice age. What they're finding is not at all comforting.

[NWHarkness]

15. Maybe there's a reason it's called "Global' warming.

And not just "Tampa warming" or something like that.

[rumguy]

18. It's called science

something the Bush* admin. cares nothing about...

Climate change is a reality.

[brainwashed_youth]

20. that still doesn't change the fact

that I'm freezing my ass off here

[rumguy]

21. that doesn't change the fact that * is gonna lose

[brainwashed_youth]

23. this thread

has nothing to do with *. It's about me finding it silly hwo peopel can go on and on and on about global warming like it's some imminent threat when I'm sitting here freezing my ass off.

[kaitykaity]

30. Read the Thom Hartmann article I posted above.

Explains how 'global warming' is causing your freezing ass pretty damn well.

[tkmorris]

35. Do you mean to call them silly?

I'm serious. The reason I ask is because it is clear to me that you don't know a lot about the so-called "global warming" phenomena, nor the effects that it can cause. For starters it can cause areas accustomed to being warm to experience a change in climate to the colder. It does NOT mean that the entire planet warms uniformly at a constant rate.

For example, do you realize that Great Britain is far warmer than most areas at the same latitude? Ocean currents account for this, keeping the area far warmer than might otherwise be expected. If however, the polar caps continue melting ( it is firmly established that they are melting ), one of the predicted effects is that Jolly Ole England will get a taste of some truly bitter cold due to a dramatic shift in that current.

So let's not call people who speak of global warming "silly". Let's call them..... "informed". It's a more accurate word I believe.

:beer:

Edited in accordance with prophecy.

[G_j]

70. that's science?

try reading up a bit on how ocean currents work.
while your butt temperature might tell you one thing, there are ancient ice shelves melting.

[Eureka]

25. The warming bit is only the average

I don't have sources for you (I'm doing a spot of e-bludging while at work) so I'll have to go from memory based on my Missus' climate degree info, and of course for most of it I was doing something else and saying "yes dear" a lot, but here goes.......

The warming bit of global warming is only the average temperature, which is indeed rising. Accompanying this rise is also an increase in the variability at either end of the scale, so while the average is going up we get more extreme cold, extreme heat, and extreme weather in general.

[K-W]

24. This is certainly the last place I expected to see this obvious fallacy.

To all you folks who are obviously completely ignorant of how global warming works, a warm winter or a cold winter have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with global warming. You arent going to notice global warming it is a gradual shift over many years. The factors that create a particularly warm or cold season operate completely independently from global warming.

Also, global warming refers to the overall temperature of the planet. It will create deserts in places that are now jungles and vice versa. It may actually make some areas colder due to the overal change in the global climate.

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. I know that, was being facetious.

As I type, the ozone hole over Antarctica and South America grows.

[brainwashed_youth]

31. I heard....

that the temperature is going up 1 degree every 100 years. That don't sound too bad. At least that lets me know that the polar ice caps aren't gonna melt and drown me in my lifetime:)

[rumguy]

34. What you "heard" is simply wrong

Go do some research before you come in here with your psy-ops bullshit...

[brainwashed_youth]

39. are you upset

do you need a hug?

[rumguy]

41. Keep listening to that Tobey Keith crap...haha

are you an "Angry American"?

[tkmorris]

36. That figure is totally wrong.

The truth is out there.

[Kool Kitty]

71. You better read a little bit before you post about this.

According to scientists, including the ones that work for the Pentagon, it could very well happen during your lifetime. It's climate change, and it is very real. Seriously.

[CHIMO]

27. Its Not

Your ass. Global warming is what it says. On average the average temperature is rising.
What it also says is that their will be more extremes.
As a kicker, if we don't have the scientific answers then we may be into chaos theory as given by Lorenz.

[Striker Davies]

29. Have you ever thought about how a fridge works?

Apply heat at one point, another part gets colder.

Global warming is not a nice gentle increase in the temperature all over the world. It's regional, and it causes storms, freezing periods, nasties like that.

However, it's a beautiful day here, 83F, bright sunshine, and I have a nice ice bucket with a couple of beers sitting by the pool.

(snigger)

[LincolnMcGrath]

32. Way to get over that posting hurdle

Welcome new evilDUer!

[tkmorris]

38. Welcome to DU!

Pull up a chair. I have a bucket too, let us enjoy them shall we?

:beer:

[Peregrine]

33. I'm walking around Orlando in shorts and a t-shirt

and it ain't any warmer around here than Tampa. But that's okay, after the ice caps melt, Tampa will be underwater.

I wish we would stop using Global Warming instead of Global Climate Change. The warming is going to cause climate change, some areas will get colder due to changes in ocean currents--there are studies that point to an ice age in Europe due to the shift of the Gulf Stream.

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[LincolnMcGrath]

46. Climate change a myth?

Well, that settles it for me.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

50. Maybe he's responding to what appears to be an...

attitude problem on your part. Not to mention that you're too lazy to spell correctly.

[rumguy]

52. that post wasn't addressed to you....eom

[brainwashed_youth]

54. i know

but u still act like a dick to me. What the hell is your problem?

[rumguy]

55. I have nothing against you...eom

[maggrwaggr]

53. hogrider's quoting Rush Limbaugh almost word for word

the republican take on global warming (and Al Gore) is exactly what he typed.

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[brainwashed_youth]

57. I luv Wal Mart

Dude, you can prety much get everything you need at Wal Mart, groceries, furniture, clothes, everything. Wal Mart is the greatest place eva!!!

[rumguy]

67. your true colors are showing....

haha - do you buy your Tobey Keith CDs at walmart?

[G_j]

73. yikes

now I realise this discussion has been a waste of time

[CHIMO]

42. Please

Provide your references.

Thank you

[brainwashed_youth]

44. Thank you man

You actually seem to have some common sense and aren't buying into this global warming crap like it's the gospel truth.

You can have some brews with me anytime:toast:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

47. Good luck to you both...you'll need it when the climate changes.

[brainwashed_youth]

48. yup

I guess we're just gonna drown. Hey, if that's how I'm supposed to die, I say bring it on. Not like we can stop it anyway

[tkmorris]

61. No he doesn't

He doesn't posess this mythical quality called "common sense", he posesses a very real quality called "ignorance". It's what happens when you don't know a damned thing about what everyone is talking about. It usually becomes exposed, as in this case, when one forgets how little they know about the topic and insists upon having an opinion anyway.

Common sense is merely a codeword lazy people think is an adequate substitute for knowledge. They are wrong and so are you. Sorry if I seem testy but that's how I see it.

:beer:

[tom_paine]

76. Have you no familiarity with scientific method?

How hypotheses are generated, tested, and verfied?

"Common sense"?!? :wtf:

How about this little gem? You cannot postulate the whole from too small a sample.

In other words: Let's say I am doing a study on violent crime. By mischance I happen to run into 3 robberies and 2 murders on that day. On other days there might be 1 robbery, 0 murders or 2 robberies and 1 murder (in fact, those would be the customary normal numbers)

But if all I look at is that one day, that one snapshot (this one winter in one corner of the world) would lead me to believe the region had a much higher crime rate than it actually did.

You are doing the same thing. Is it deliberate?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

45. Read this thread and the linked article...

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=852326>

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[CHIMO]

63. Your Words

Do not allow a basis for conclusion. Belief is a religious based opinion. If you're feeling on the topic is from a belief then state is as so and not as a scientific principle or basis.
Did you turn around in the the cave from the shadows and see the real figures?

[tkmorris]

59. Tell ya what

Go read a book. Preferably one that deals with this topic but it looks as if you might benefit from damned near ANY book. Learn something.

I applaud your attitude towards refusing to accept something just because a politician said it. Good call there mate. You need to take the next step however and inform yourself so that you know fact from fiction and no longer need care whether some politician is telling the truth. You'll just KNOW, because you are well informed.

BTW, your deliberate misconstruing of Al Gore's comment re the internet is a dead giveaway. He DID champion the policies that allowed it to grow from it's infancy to the tool you are using now and that is what he was referring to. And ANOTHER thing....nah forget it. Have a smurfy day.

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[tkmorris]

64. I have no idea if you are stupid.

Maybe you are maybe you aren't. You do however seem ignorant of the topic under discussion. Perhaps I was hasty though, I have days like that. So tell me friend, upon what do you base your conclusions that global warming is not in fact a cause for concern?

[CHIMO]

65. Amazed That

You have a library card!

Now all together a belief is from religion.

[rumguy]

49. In my dreams this is what I'm gonna do:

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[CHIMO]

58. Your Logic

Is flawed.
You are mixing science and politics.
Science has not predicted what will happen. They have layed out the facts and the possible consequences. You are deciding what they have said as if it was a political decision. One plus one equals 2 as long as you accept the rules.

[DrWeird]

66. Yeah, and if the world were round we'd all fall off.

Stupid scientists.

[Lindacooks]

68. Global warming and weather

are two totally different things.

When global warming reaches the tipping point, the weather ain't gonna matter.

[booley]

72. so becuase you're a wussy ...

..and have one bad winter, that means the years of studies and thousands of climate scientists who have shown climate change is real are all just make beleive?

Just a little narcistic, are we?

Oh look, it's been quite warm here in Missouri. I guess global warming is real after all.
at least by your logic...

[jburton]

74. Climate and weather are not synonymous

A grasp of basic meteorolgy definitions might be in order before you become an expert...

[Selwynn]

75. Paging Mr. Clue, please come to the nearest white courtesy telephone

Ok, so I can understand how to a person who knows nothing about the issue of "Global warming" maybe bitter cold might seem like irony.

However, that's why its usually a good idea to you know.. like, know what you're talking about before talking and stuff. :)

Consider the possibility for instance, that the actual understood long term effects of "global warming" is not simply a global-wide rise in YEARLY average temperatures overall, but also climate change creating more temperature EXTREMES both cold and hot. Also, as elluded to, Global "warming" is a bit of a misnomer. The scientific evidence actually points to extreme (but gradual) global climate change, the major and polarizing shifts in climate that would have extreme ecological consequences.

The fact of bitter cold where you live may really suprise you when thinking about Global Warming. But it certianly doesn't suprise any scientists that actually what's the word... you know.. you know... know something about the issue. :)

[TruthIsAll]

77. A simple statistical explanation of GW.

Lets say one half of the earth rises an average of 2 degrees over 100 years. Very, very warm.

And the other half falls by an average of 1 degree. Very cold.

The net result: a rise of 1 degree worldwide. That's Global Warming.

But at the same time, one half of the world is freezing.

[Kinkistyle]

78. People don't seem to remember the warm winters we've been having.

It seems like we have a string of warm winters and then a cold snap every now and then. People of course seldom remember the nice comfortable uneventful winters, but never forget the freezing blizzard-y years.

In any event, the point is, on the average, we are experiencing a gradual warming. Its like saying that the fact that you saw a plant grow from a seed and water as a disproof of Newton's 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

[muriel_volestrangler]

79. annual temperature record for Tampa

click on the map near Tampa and find it in the list

Note that over the 20th century, the average annual temperature went up by about 1 degree centigrade, ie about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. Note also you can get a variation of more than 1 degree C from year to year; when you look at the long term trends you see the gradual warming.

Predictions for the next 100 years for the average global rise are from 2 to 6 degrees C - about 4 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit. This will affect different areas by different amounts; the Arctic is predicted to have more warming, which may cause sea level rise and/or the shutting down of the North Atlantic conveyor.

There are loads of websites explaining the science behind climate change; I think Tom Rees is very good.

[rman]

80. because global warming is about long term global climate, you talk about

the local weather.
it's funny how some people don't understand the difference.

[earthman dave]

81. You're right, it's all a commie conspiracy, go back to sleep.

These pointy-headed librul scientists can't even get their story straight - how could the earth possibly be warming if it's a cold winter in tampa? I guess they just don't understand logic and reason like you do.

[Deaner1971]

82. How many people died in Europe due to the heat this summer?

Just trying for a little perspective...

[StopThief]

83. You obviously don't understand.

If it's hot, it's due to Global Warming. If it's cold, it's due to Global Warming. If it's exactly average, it's due to Global Warming. Don't bother arguing, just accept the facts.

[Moderator]

85. Locking--GD rules

Rules to start discussion threads in the General Discussion forum

1. If you start a thread in the General Discussion forum, you must present your opinion in a manner that is not inflammatory, which respects differences in opinion, and which is likely to lead to respectful discussion rather than flaming. Some examples of things which should generally be avoided are: unnecessarily hot rhetoric, nicknames for prominent Democrats or their supporters, broad-brush statements about groups of people, single-sentence "drive-by" thread topics, etc.

I suggest The Environment, Energy and Science forum for this.