Here's a new argument from a Freeper type . . .

[ET Awful]

He's actually attempting to state that there are MORE jobs under Bush than there were under Clinton.

http://www.fearbush.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5340&st=0&#entry70218

This guy has made some twisted assertions in the past, but this one may be the looniest yet.

[Jacobin]

1. Hannity has been spewing this for weeks.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

2. There are more jobs under Bush-the minimum wage kind

white collar jobs have been decimated.

[StClone]

3. Newly Hatched Loon Egg

There are more PEOPLE so it would follow that there would need to be more jobs. The natural population growth and immigrants is the cause of the growth along with longer life expectancy. The overall percent employed and the type of work and compensation are the problem. These guys get a line of illogic and scream it in unison. Thank goodness there is more people seeing through these lies and ignoring them.

[Birthmark]

4. It's crap.

They are basically cherry-picking.
Employed people (in thousands) from Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Jan 2001 - 136181
Jan 2004 - 136924

Doing this in my head, I come up with 733,000 new jobs in 36 months.

These freeper types crack me up. Do they honestly believe that people are NOT out of work?

[ET Awful]

6. What's even funnier . . .

is this guy doesn't work, he can't (he attributes this to either a disability, or being retired, depending on which day of the week you're talking to him).

[lovedems]

7. And it is not smart to trust the numbers coming from BLS.

Come on! This administration has every agency fudging the numbers or fudging the science to suit their political agenda. That is mistake number 1 for that moran. DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENTS NUMBERS IDIOT!

[Virginian]

8. Here's something to consider...

How many H-1b visas were issued during that same time period.

Outsourcing is a problem with IT jobs, but before that was popular, companies were crying that they could not find enough trained Americans to employ for the Y2K "crisis," so they started importing workers. I could see it for the Y2K conversions, but that hype was four years ago.

The employers found that most H-1b workers didn't have families here and would work all kinds of hours and put up with things that erode family life. I dare say American workers would not work 6 or 7 days a week for the same pay as a 40 hour week. Not on a regular basis anyway. If the H-1b complained, there was always the threat to send him home.

So when you look at those stats of the number of people employed in this country, try to determine how many Americans are employed in this country by subtracting how many people were brought in "temporarily" to work here.

[NewJeffCT]

10. that may be true but...

Our population has also grown in those 36 months, for the numbers to stay even Clinton's ending number with the growing population, it should have been 5,400,000 jobs created.

[rfranklin]

5. This may be true but...

In order to compensate for new entrants into the job market, a minimum of 150,000 jobs have to be created every month to meet the demand, according to virtually everyone who is involved in studying the job figures.

This is the same as their trumpeting "record growth" over the past few months. It is ONLY a record because the economy under Bush has fallen so far and so fast that every small "dead cat bounce" looks like a miraculous recuperation. It's just a fucking dead body bouncing at the bottom of a ten-story fall!

Talk about putting lipstick on pig!

[ComerPerro]

9. Fuck these people, they are sycophantic morons

What do you call a Republican who is not a millionare?

A sucker.

These people would have done very well in Germany in the 1930s.

[snippy]

12. Very true. The Bush lies about the economy and employment are less

likely to be believed than the Bush lies about the invasion of Iraq since people use their own experiences to judge Bush's statements about the economy. Bush thinks that his lies will be believed because they always have been believed in the past. But each time a person realizes that Bush has told a lie about something, that person becomes more likely to realize that Bush has lied about other things and eventually that person realizes that Bush has lied about everything.



Day by day and voter by voter Bush is destroying his own credibility just as he has destroyed so much else.

[chopper]

11. right!

and i make twice as much money now as i did in 1975! why don't i feel any richer?

jeez, idiots like this fail to take into account that the population has grown in the past coupla years. there are more working-age people in the US now, so there should be more jobs to make up for that.

but the number has barely changed at all.