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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:47 AM Original message |
Greenspan wants to cut SS benefits to reduce debt... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. Nothing Like Reneging On A Promise. . . |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. So, Al Gore was a liar, huh? |
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RedEarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
108. I think he was referring to Alan Greenspan, not Al Gore....nt |
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loudnclear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
129. But i thought the deficit didn't matter...only lower taxes? |
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ugarte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. Always extra $$ for the Pentagon, though |
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skippysmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. The Repukes blew it |
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ugarte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You bet, that was their plan |
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HootieMcBoob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. it's called "starve the beast" n/t |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
116. They didn't give them tax cuts, they gave them OUR money. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. SS Lock Box Being Looted |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. After disgusting his base w/mentions of illegal... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. ask them how they like paying for other folks tax cuts |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Precisely... |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
6. Truly, Greenspan needs to go. |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. I disagree... |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Greenspan IS a menace |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. It's pretty common fiscal policy... |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
100. It's not FISCAL policy! For Pete's sake. |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. You just knew this was coming... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
8. So my widows benefits I was supposed to get in 2013 |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. Also suggested Congress may increase payroll taxes |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Medicare could save billions... |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
84. in pharmeceudicals |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. I find that ludicrous, fraud is fraud... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
117. The Frist family business was fines more than $1 billion for fraud |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. That's right... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
10. We need to file a class action suit against the bastards |
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bluedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. make your voices be heard on this ask pugs.... |
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skippysmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Right on! |
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Galley_Queen (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. As Jon Stewart would say: Whaaaa? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. You must have missed my point.. |
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Galley_Queen (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Damn, I Thought WE were the greatest |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Greenspan knows how broke we really are.. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
70. Don't turn the generations against each other.... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
131. Well, it's turning into one. Born in 1945, my father is still voting |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:04 PM Original message |
Well, actually not quite |
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dae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
13. Aren't we approaching a "storm the Bastille" moment. n/t |
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barbaraann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Yahoo posters are going nuts! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
16. A whole new front in the class war |
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Cat Atomic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. This is fiscal conservativism, make no mistake. |
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Galley_Queen (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I Consider Myself A Social Liberal |
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Cat Atomic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. That's fine for personal finances. |
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Dees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. The GOP 's plan to spend the fed out of existence |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
22. try removing the wage cap. |
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Galley_Queen (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Ahahahhaha! |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I have the key for walking the dog-- |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. LOL.... |
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MISSDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. "in the back of the closet" - which reminds me, maybe I should |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. Response to Greenspan; Two words: |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. That's going to help.... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Remove the cap |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. No... that's stealing... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. No, it's not stealing, try again |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. SS is not a tax, my friend... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. FICA is a tax, Social Security is INSURANCE |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Try again??? Didn't you just prove my point? |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
118. Of course, federal income tax does NOT go to Social Security |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
133. SS is whatever we define it as |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
95. The Truth of the matter is |
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HootieMcBoob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
96. since you brought it up |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Beacuse Bush stole property-- |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
105. "Stealing" my ass! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
68. false |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. What if the investments were all government instruments? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
92. Reagan raised Social Security Taxes in 1983 |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. Here's two more. Your Fired! |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
30. SS is going broke. |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. SMART .... |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
32. FUJIOK* |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
35. I for one am open to the idea of OPTIONAL privatization... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. It already exists |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Exactly... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. You seem to think that... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. What good are Treasury Bonds, ... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. History is replete with MANY examples-- |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. First, who, at 50+ can expect to invest in long term invewtments?... |
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Beaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
107. I'd rather have the 2-3% GUARANTEED return... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. Obviously 401K's are not SS... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. You're Totally Wrong |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Are you prepared to tell me... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. That's Just Plain Ignorant |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. First off this goes WAAAY beyond the Bush adm... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Too Bad |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. No I don't see a "cognitive disconnect" |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Good, then you do that and invest in a 401K |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Well that's not going fix SS, now is it? n/t |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Just How Will Privatization Fix It? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
119. hey beetwasher...the same way vouchers will fix public schools |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. And Whattaya Know?! The Poster Refuses to Answer My Question! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. "good faith and credit of the US government" |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. No problem with SS? Interesting, elaborate please. n/t |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
120. what's the problem? |
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Centre_Left (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
109. Guaranteed? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Is You're Life Insurance Guaranteed? |
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YNGW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Optional |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
69. You are correct-- |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
113. Nothing is stopping you now... |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
134. Ohhh, an investor,,,,,we need to ... |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
37. By the way, I think this is a bad idea and a ploy... |
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MISSDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. I kinda sorta support the partial privatizing of SS, too but |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. See Post #39. Private investment accounts ALREADY EXIST |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. No you wouldn't. That's absurd! |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. How do you pay for Privatization? |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. well- something's got to happen... |
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skippysmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Your answer: |
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John BigBootay (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. I don't believe there has to a generation... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. might have been the case |
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emc (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
43. Greenspans reasoning |
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MISSDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Bush responded with something like |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. When did bush ever care about anyone but himself?... |
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WLKjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Bearing Witness to Compassionate Conservative Reasoning |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. Welcome to DU WLKjr.... |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. Grover Norquist's wet dream |
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Wapsie B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
55. Why not just raise the FICA cap? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. The US maintains more than 700 military bases around the world |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. The Pentagon recently 'lost' 2 trillion dollars... |
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nannygoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Yeah, how about the Defense budget being whacked in half? |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
66. There's a poll about what Greenspan said. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. interesting... 60+% - cut spending |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Cut defense waste and duplicity... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. maybe that's because |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. LOL...Agreed... |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. I'd be willing to bet |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
78. If people are supposed to work until they are seventy, |
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LeahMira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
110. Of course. |
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RedEarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
111. This is EXACTLY what Paul Krugman |
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nomatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
115. Illegal immigration and costs |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
122. I don't see why this would cross the barriers |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Well, SS is not welfare... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Well, it's your retirement they are stealing. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
125. Grenspan just put the final nail in the bushco coffin |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
127. Then can I |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
128. Then maybe we should cut back on our input. |
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Alllyourbase (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
130. of course... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:12 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. Welcome to DU Alllyourbase... |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-25-04 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
135. The SS comment by GreenSpin was mostly about stroking the investors |
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