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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 07:42 AM
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A call to all Kansas Dems
Former Overland Park councilman enters race for Congress
By JIM SULLINGER
The Kansas City Star

Republicans now have a race to see who will face U.S. Rep. Dennis Moore, a Lenexa Democrat, in next year's election.

After a two-year stint with the U.S. Justice Department in Washington, D.C., Kris Kobach said Thursday at a campaign rally in Olathe that he was a candidate for Moore's 3rd District seat.

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"The positions of President Bush, not those of Dennis Moore, reflect this district," he said at the rally.

Kobach said Moore voted against a constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration, against the recent Bush tax cut and against bills banning human cloning.

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Asked his political position, he said: "I think my characterization would best be described as common-sense conservatism."

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Kobach, a constitutional law professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, served on the Overland Park council from 1999 to 2001. He resigned to accept the position of White House fellow in the Bush administration. He served a year in the Justice Department and stayed on another year, serving as counsel to Attorney General John Ashcroft and an adviser on changes in immigration and border control policy.


All of you need to get out there and fight this Kobach critter. He worked as a counsel to Ashcroft, that makes him scarry.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:35 AM
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1. I heard about this on the radio
the other day. What is a common-sense Republican who agrees with Bush*? Why, I would say he is a liar and a neocon. It is even worse than that, he worked with Ashcroft. OK, Are you in the district? DO you think that he reflects the voters there? I know Kansas tends to vote Repub but I am always suprised it is by such a large margin because I know so may Democrats, people out in the boonies who you would think were rubes, rednecks and repubs. I will follow this and do what I can, thanks.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:39 AM
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2. this isn't rural kansas
its Johnson County, KS
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 08:44 AM
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3. I should remind all, I am in CA
I have an idea where Kansas is, but nothing else about Kansas geogrphy, the people or thier values. I went to a link from another post in LBN and I saw this little story down there, though I would read it. The word Ashcroft popped up and it scared me. I din't want anybody in Kansas to miss this, I definately don't want anybody who likes Bush and Ashcroft running or god forbid winning anything. Doing my part, trying to help out.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 04:29 PM
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20. This is KS-3, which is the Kansas City area...
the district voted 53%-42% for * in 2000.
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harper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 09:23 AM
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4. I don't think there are many democrats in Kansas
Kansas is a pretty strong republican state. Has been since the civil war. There are some democratic strongholds...Wyandotte Co, Wichita
and Lawrence come to mind. Dennis Moore has won his last two elections by getting the few democratic votes available and also pulling in the moderate republican vote.

Kansas politics is currently in a state of war between moderate republicans and ultra right wing republicans. What Dennis Moore needs is a right winger as his opponent...the further right the better. That way Moore will get the moderate republican vote. His worst fear must be a moderate republican opponent.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 09:25 AM
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5. not Wichita
see this site

www.maggotpunks.com
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 12:29 PM
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7. It didn't always used to be that way.
Kansas had Democratic govs for many years when I grew up there. It's only been in the last 20 yrs or so (since Reagan), that KS swung decidedly right.

They did have a stint where things were even MORE right than they are now - remember the KS Board of Educ. and the evolution flap? They busted all those idiots down and even elected a new governor due to the financial mess the Repubs have made. Still bad, but some signs of life there.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 12:40 PM
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8. As I said before
many of the rural farmer types that I know are staunchly repub but not a Bush* fan. I also know a bunch of redneck type democrats. Our gov is a democrat. I would think all the crap with the large agro firms would be sending them screaming to the democrats and it may still. Johnson County is an entirely different story. Extravagance, lots of money. Moore could be in trouble.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 01:10 PM
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9. Sadly, most of the old farmers are gone now..
Those were the FDR farmers, who were mostly dems.. Their kids and the people who bought their farms to turn into republican breeding grounds(suburbia) have gotten a real toe-hold in Kansas..

Lawrence, & Kansas City Kansas are usually more liberal than the rest of the state.. :)
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 04:08 PM
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16. You are right about that.
You drive through the country and it is sad to see. Most small farmers can't make it anymore with all the big guys forcing their "special" seeds on them. How could you survive? It reminds me of the article the other day on China's economics. You must buy our seed. You can't plant enough of it to use for seed next year because it is sterile. This is the price. Too much? Too bad. These poor suckers can't sell their equipment to pay for the seed, they can't sell their land so the have to sell out. Big guys buy it and we get poison. But it is cheap poison for them.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 12:12 AM
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22. Are you anywhere near Wamego?
My father lives there. He's a Dem all the way - 80 years old and still gets so p*ssed off! I love to hear him talk.
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Composed Thinker Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 04:12 PM
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17. Isn't the governor of Kansas a Democrat?
And a woman to boot?
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 04:28 PM
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19. Correct
Kathleen Sebelius-elected against a conservative Repuke.
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:41 AM
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6. Moore voted with the GOP 30% of the time according to Stupid White Men
Edited on Sat Aug-02-03 10:42 AM by pstokely
I don't think a real Dem can get elected there, Moore replaced some wignut before him from Olathe
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 01:11 PM
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10. But..that also means that 70% of them time he voted with us..
and that little (D) next to his name is always important...
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pstokely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 02:11 PM
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11. anyone planning to challenge Moore in the prim
?
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FDRLincoln Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 02:22 PM
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13. no challenge to Moore
No challenge to Moore from the left. He is conservative in some ways, but he has to be to get elected in this district, and even the Greenies in Lawrence see that.

Moore wins by doing extremely well in left-leaning Lawrence and Kansas City Kansas, and pulling in just enough moderate GOP in Johnson County to pull out 52-48 victories. It also helps that he is an EXCELLENT congressman, with a tremendous track record in constituent services. It also helps that the GOP keeps putting up right-wing nutcases to run against him. If they ran a moderate, he'd have trouble winning.

I have donated and worked for his campaign. I'm a bit more liberal than he is, but hey, it's Kansas.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:46 PM
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21. Bleeding Kansas
Consider that this state has a very loud contingient of Christian Conservatism, as well as the NeoCons of the PNAC mindset. But most Kansas Republcans are that because the think Missourians are all Democrats. They are actually 4 angstrom units to the left of the average Missouri Democrat, but don't let them know that.

But with more miles of roadway percapita than just about anywhere, cheap oil is not just a need, but a sacred right. So the local mindset on Iraq is not quite sane. Many here opposed the war, but are praying for cheap oil. Sadly, I suspect that they will be so wrong that Kansas starts pumping oil again.

There is a schizophrenia, a disconnect between the repbs who want creationism taught exclusively in school, public flogging of homosexuals, and the US not just out of the UN, but on another planet entirely-- and the repubs who are making a killing off of NAFTA, and other forms of cheap labor like around Fort Riley/Junction City.

Gone are the repubs of Wichita, the moderates of the private airplane industry. They have been punished for cooperating with labor in the 80's.
They are in dispair.

Wyandotte county is very Democrat, and pretty progressive, in an insular sort of way. Kansas City Kansas has a large, poor population, comprised of a large number of ethnic communities. I frequently eat at a Bosnian restaurant.

It is also by turns of the river, rural and industrial. In the same room, they speak in tongues. The county seat even looks a bit like the tower of Babel.

Lawrence is urbane, a prairie college town, home of K.U..
Democratic, and hip. Last home and refuge of William Burroughs.

It might serve as an interesting side note to point out that the other major university is Kansas State at Manhattan, and that the rivalry is more than academic... K.U. is called 'Gay U' by Aggies, and Manhattan, is referred to as K-Straight by K.U..
Once, I was in an operating room with a group of three former K.U. students, and one K.State student. They moo'd at him when he left the room, referring to KState's renowned Vet. college.

Manhattan, BTW, contains Aggieville, one of the world's most densely packed bar zones. On a saturday night, one in three drivers is legally intoxicated in aggieville. Solidly Republican town, I nearly died there. Great town to ride a bike in...not!

West of Hays, people go crazy from too much sun. They are of course, republican, from little towns where you can see a mummified local, a thirty foot prairie dog, or the world's largest ball of twine.


The state needs some serious attention paid to agriculture, industrial development, transportation, education and the budget.
Democrats won because they were common sensical and not pursing policy agendas that were embarassing to all but a small number of fellow whackjobs, like the Kansas goodwill ambassador, Fred Phelps. Our Gove won promising to bite the bullet, but also to save education.

There are issues the Dems can jump out in front on in a state where the republicans are either venal, foaming at the mouth, or both.
Jobs... oh momma, they need to talk about creating jobs. We need a lot of work out there. Well paid labor, doing badly needed repair.

We also have our little business scandal going on right now, starring a Texas senator of the Republican pursuasion and gasp-- an energy company.

Transportation --

The expanse of highways in Kansas and Missouri are going to be virtually unmaintainable with the cost shifting that is going on from the federal level to the state. And I mean that at todays traffic levels, not what Bush has in mind. Next comes the really big rigs in from Mexico, driven by drivers from another set of traffic rules. These babies will be tearing up the road, and letting the soccer mom's SUB jolt down the interstate full of bouncing kids. Tough luck... the Dems could own this...

We are going to have to rebuild the middle class in America. And nowhere would this do more than rebuilding rural and small city economy. Ironically, fewer miles of city roadways would leave us with more money for rural, farm to market highways, and long haul interstates. I get a pretty odd reaction when I tell Johnson countians what Kucinich's economic policies are... the middle class ones like them, and it makes them feel a bit odd. A surprizing number of them have never heard of him, and would probably accept it at face value if I called him a moderate Republican.

The whole region needs to negotiate a policy of cooperation to save AMTRAK and maybe even expand it to cover transportation among the region's class B cities. Kansas could do it, they have a small independent group of rail lines that took over when the big rails shut down. It is not a great leap of faith to think that passenger rail would be if not profitable on its own, but cheap to subsidize (say compared to running a regional airport, or maintaining more truck and bus traffic. ) Dems could jump on that.


Since the states are going to have to foot more of their own, they should do it efficiently, and insist on efficient transportation.

This area of the country had rail all over in the early 1900's, and the best were publicly funded. The economics would work again. We need an efficient to run, cost effective system, and rail is it. Air is important, but scaled too large currently to serve anything but the metropolis. All we need is for the city transit systems to agree to shuttle each other's passengers around as part of a all day pass.
You only need a couple of passenger cars and a baggage car for local freight. Most of these cities have railway stations left over somewhere.

We need policies that encourage a shift from ever expanding suburbia to both urban and small town life, even if work is in the city. The subdivision, decaying mall, new big box retail, 8 lane highway, drive through 'restaurant' lifestyle is a death trip, we actually know this for a fact. And like Kansas Creationism, we also know that our adminstration is making policy with junk science to take it to the next level of centralization and concentration of wealth... we even know this in Kansas, where half of us are pissed and defensive about it.

Democrats could really pitch this, and it would be like the WPA in the thirties. Even bid as much local source labor as possible.
Dennis Moore's neighbors are among the richest in America, per capita.
They are well educated for the most part, and they like to think of themselves as conservatives, but they are not. They just dont like the idea of Democrats and 'BIG SPENDING' Of course, they don't like BIG DEFICIT, either.
But even these tend to agree when I say that if we are running deficts, we ought to be rebuilding to handle a new economic cycle.

Except for the ones with the unholy light in their eyes, they just do what the angelic voices tell them. I tell them that Dennis is the new Messiah, and try to say it with 'that voice'.

So in Johnson county if you allow them to keep calling themselves moderate Republicans, they will keep voting for a moderate Democrat who continues to spend for the things they love. Also they seem to love him for not embarrasing them.
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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 02:19 PM
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12. Kansas 2004
We have to reelect Dennis Moore in order to grab the House in 2004. I think that you all are right, we need someone from the far right to run against Moore. I can't imagine a moderate Repuke running against Moore (they wouldn't get the nomination). Therefore, Moore should be safe as long as he holds together his coalition of Democrats and moderate Republicans.

Another question. Since Moore and Sebelius can both benefit from this current fight between moderate Repukes and hard right Repukes, does anyone think we can oust Sam Brownback with Dan Glickman? I think that Glickman could win, but he'd need one heckuva campaign. Any word on whether he's running?
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FDRLincoln Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 02:24 PM
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14. glickman
Every year they try to talk Glickman into running for SOMETHING....governor, senator, whatever. So far he's said no every time. Like Moore, he is a solid moderate/conservative Dem who does well with the moderate GOP. In the right year, he could scare Brownback and might even win, but it would be a hard, expensive fight, and the seat would not be secure.
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jafap Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 03:43 PM
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15. why should a seat be secure?
It would not bother me to get a new senator every six years. Just because I am a Democrat does not mean I want an incumbentocracy. The Republican seats are definitely secure if the Democrats do not even get a candidate.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-03 12:14 AM
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23. Even *I* would give money to someone who ran . . .
. . . against Brownback. That man is a menace.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 04:13 PM
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18. I can't imagine
anyone unseating Sam. He is the biggest liar I can imagine when he campaigns. I know him so I now what I am saying. His ads were pure bull. Nice guy to be aquainted with but no more than that.
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