McClellan says U.S. abduction of Aristide a "conspiracy theory...

[worldgonekrazy]

...that does nothing to help the Haitian people."

Then was asked by another reporter if he would DENY the allegation, to which McClellan said "its nonsense."

But still, no outright denial.

Yep, the Admin was involved, and the press knows it. Lets see what happens with this.

[SoCalDem]

1. and.... wait for it......

Blames it on Clinton :)

These freaks would be lost if Clinton had not served for 8 years before them.. They would have had to blame it on Poppy :)

[worldgonekrazy]

2. Aristide's attorney confirms he was abducted!

Details the story exactly as has been described by Waters and Robinson Randall. Was put on an aircraft, not told where he was going, taken to an undisclosed location, etc. etc.

[seemslikeadream]

4. Yes here's the link

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/newsArticle.asp?id=1573

[Brotherjohn]

3. My first reaction is: At least the press is asking about it!

My second reaction is: A U.S. Congressperson has made the allegation based on personal conversation with the democratically-elected president of a sovereign nation, it's been reported in the international press, and that's "conspiracy theory"?

[seabeyond]

5. a couple contradictions

he talked to a couple people on two landings and should be easy to verify, yet said nothing about kidnapping and talking to robinson on phone he says he talked to no one also there was said to be a radio address in one of the stops and he said nothing about kidnapping adn that should be available

also yesterday evening, there were eyewitness he was lead out in cuffs,...........where are those people

[worldgonekrazy]

8. In jail?

On their way to Gitmo?

Bought off?

Dare I say it...dead?

There are a ton of possibilities.

[Brotherjohn]

19. Rep. Waters herself denies the "handcuffs" rumor...

... based on her conversation with Aristide. And Robinson may have said he talked to no one, but that may have been before he called Waters.

Sure, rumors abound in crises like this. But you offer nothing but conjecture about a couple of landings and people he may or may not have talked to as supposedly, possibly, disputing the story being put forth by Waters and Robinson.

But the acount as we know it has the founder and president of TransAfrica (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x392415) and a United States Representative (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/01/1521216) giving independent confirmation that Aristide is claiming, at least, that he was kidnapped and forcibly removed from Haiti against his will.

The story is also confirmed by at least one other independent news account (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8833298%5E1702,00.html).

Now, there is always the possibility that Aristide himself is "embellishing" his situation. But as far as his claims, either Waters and Robinson are lying or have been masterfully duped, or the White House is lying and has participated in a coup d'etat of a the democratically elected leader of a sovereign nation.

This is not to be taken lightly.

[worldgonekrazy]

6. This should serve as an example to those who denounce conspiracies

This is being called a "conspiracy theory" yet it is quite clearly true.

This is not to say that all, or even most, conspiracy theories are true. But clearly SOME are. Keep that in mind.

[tom_paine]

15. Welcome to the New Soviet Union

I'm suprised Premier Bunnypants Bushevik hasn;t has Maxine Waters confined to a Mental Hospital "for her own protection".

Oh well, that's more of an Emperor Jeb thing, or perhaps an Emperor Ah-nold (you know how much he admires Hitler).

[SoCalDem]

23. You are missing the point here, folks..

Most of the people who are claiming this are black.. Does anyone think for a minute that their assertions are really taken seriously by ANY of Bush's minions???

This is the beauty of their plan.. They only go after countries where the people have limited credibility,and anyone who sides with them is ....un-patriotic, a crackpot, a conspiracy nut, a kook...

They set up the premise, and then they control the spin.. The media helps them, by NOT taking them seriously.. a la Wolf Blitzer, interrupting Waters to READ a communique from the White house..while they were in the middle of the "interview"...

The reporters are going to have to get a lot tougher and start calling these guys the liars that they are.. The must step out of the "safety zone" in order to get the real truth..

I doubt that any are really willing to jeopardize their kids' college educations or their mortgage payments to do that..

Remember the Shakespeare phrase.."If you attack the King, you must be prepared to kill the king".. (or something like that )

[Cooley Hurd]

7. Rumsfeld did NOT deny it!!!

He said he'd be "surprised" if Aristide was abducted...

Ooooh boy! Their story is unravelling FAST!

[alcuno]

10. Actually, he said that he'd be surprised if Aristide had SAID he had been

abducted. More word games with Rumsfeld.

[Ms. Clio]

18. Rumsferatu also claimed that he was "surprised"

that there were no WMDs in Iraq.

Someone give that evil fucker a new thesaurus.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Since the day they engineered their own silent coup,

the Cheney/Bush Junta has been one big, ugly, conspiracy fact.

Everything they say is a lie. Everything they do is a crime.

[frank frankly]

12. everything

it is amazing and true

i wonder often if they will let go of their power when they lose in november...

i wonder if we'll make it to november

[bigtree]

11. Where's the resignation that he supposedly signed?

Why is Rumsfeld trying to push this off on the State Dept.? Those weren't State Dept. forces that took Aristide out of the country. Anyone who believes that . . .

[seabeyond]

13. hey if aristride is lying

tough for the administration not being believed. this is an easy duh.......lie all the time and you will not be believed. have to fight to see if it is plausible or not. if that is a solid and only reason to fire him

[evil_orange_cat]

14. Where's the proof people?

Silly me... I'm a damn skeptic. Someone tells me something, I want to see some proof. I believe Iraq was personally motivated and oil played a role... but Haiti? C'mon...

I emplore you people... if this is a conspiracy, point me towards some information so I might change my opinion. I hate Bush and would love to attack him for this, but I'm not going to bash Bush if I don't have anything to back the claims up!

[Brotherjohn]

22. We have a U.S. Representative and the head of TransAfrica forum...

... publicly making the same claim (including on CNN, no less), each based on independent conversations with Aristide.

Now, it may not end up being true. Perhaps Aristide is playing a game of his own.

But this certainly rises above the level of "conspiracy theory", and merits a full looking into by the media, which is why the White House Press Corps have been grilling Scott McLellan about it relentlessly.

[Minstrel Boy]

25. Eyewitness: "The Americans forced him out with weapons"

A man who said he was a caretaker for the now exiled president told
France's RTL radio station the troops forced Aristide out. "The American army came to take him away at two in the morning," the man
said. "The Americans forced him out with weapons."

"It was American soldiers. They came with a helicopter and they took the security guards. (Aristide) was not happy. He did not want to be taken away. He did not want to leave. He was not able to fight against the Americans."

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8833298%5E1702,00.html

[seabeyond]

16. waters just said

aristride said he wasnt taken out in handcuffs. that he had been forced. saying if he didnt go a lot of other hatians would be killed. not sounding like kidnapped though, now. from waters

she says he felt under arrest being guarded by army.

she went into yelling at press to start digging and finding out why and how this happened

[pacifictiger]

26. but did she mean

that she asked him if he was in handcuffs and he denied it, or did she just mean the issue of handcuffs never came up in the conversation?

[seabeyond]

28. it sounded like

he was not in handcuffs adn she wasnt going to own that. someone had accused her of saying that, and she was denying it

[maggrwaggr]

17. Charlie Rangell on Wolf Blitzer was ripping them a new asshole

about this whole thing.

Thank god there's a few decent people left in government.

Go Charlie!

[Cheswick2.0]

20. Aristide has no reason to lie about this

If he agreed to leave the country why would he then lie about it?

[JasonBerry]

27. No reason?

Maybe because he told the Haitian people that he would die before he resigned? Is that reason enough? You know, I agreed with everyone here that the Iraq "celebrations" were faked, but can anyone here deny that the celebrations in Haiti now are anything but real? I do not understand the need to defend thugs like Aristide just because Maxine Waters thinks he is great. Maxine and Ron Dellums also think Fidel Castro is great, though he allows NO opposition parties. What's up with the need to defend Aristide when all the evidence flies in the face of his being nothing but a thuggish thief of international aid?

[Stephanie]

21. Now covering this on NPR's To The Point

Promo: Aristide's supporters say he was kidnapped.

[Stephanie]

24. Live stream here:

http://www.wnyc.org/

Starting now.

"What was the role of the Bush administration?"