Lou Dobbs! He trashed "Imported Meat" tonight particularly French

[KoKo]

while saying that USDA Inspections were the norm for "Safety Standards."

I don't know about you "Meat Eaters" out there on DU....but I've taken back "Smithfields Ham/Pork/Tyson Chickens/Laura's Organic Beef Steaks and "stinky Fish from "Atlantic Salmon Farms/Mississippi Catfish Farms...all in just the last 3-1/2 years of Bush Administration for smelling bad, causing gastric problems or whatever!

I know good Meat.....Old School with Grandma who took me through "Butcher Shops" and living in NYC when the old Grannies would trash a Butcher who sold them a bad "cut of meat" or a "smelly fish past prime!"

Farm Raised Salmon are worse than Atlantic Salmon? Additives and Diet make them worse. Then there's the Mercury thingy! But when it "SMELLS" then I think Mercury or Whatever.....run from the store!

I'm telling you, (non-Vegans) that our Meat supply is in Peril...it's causing me to give it up..because it's all bad quality from your local grocery store.

I need to eat meat. Not alot.....but some meat. And, for Dobbs to trash the Europeans who have much higher standards than our Bushwacked USDA and FDA who under the CHIMP will allow "Mad Cow" and "Poultry Virus" to infect it all....is just beyond what I can imagine on the airwaves that I can deal with........:nuke:

[KoKo]

1. Sheesh! Do I have to "kick" my own post??? Did anyone hear this?

:kick:

[Turbineguy]

2. I suspect that many people

do not know how to judge meat. I think we tend to trust the inspection process, the force of the market and the goodwill of the store.....

[KoKo]

3. OMG........folks need to get in touch with their Granny's . Im NOT a

Granny! but glad I had folks of the female persuasion tutor me in how to buy MEAT! The color, graining, flesh plumpness, juciness, and with fish: clear eyes, no odor, plump flesh, good clear color.....OMG! they've taken over....The Pod Folks!

[papau]

4. bad meat/fish/bird makes you more "regular" - - a gift from Bush!

:-)

[KoKo]

7. ROFLMA papau! I've had some bouts with "regularity" recently in our

local restaurants and in purchases from what I thought were "safe" sources.

So much good laughs your post gave me! Thanks! :-)'s

[papau]

10. And thank You! :-)

:-)

[kskiska]

16. I had a nasty case of food poisoning

about a year ago after eating Wendy's Asian-style salad with chicken, and was up all night with it. Haven't been back since.

[TroubleMan]

5. Two things I thought of when I saw that

1. The US meat industry has a lot of money, AND the industry practically controls the USDA. The foxes watching the henhouse once again. They put out this story to Dobbs or whoever to make our industry look better so they can sell more beef.

2. I've noticed that the news is becoming more and more xenophobic in little ways here and there (and in some big ways). Something big and bad is brewing and they're getting our nationalistic fervor riled up. I don't know what it is...trade wars, maybe global warming and peak oil will make invasions "necessary," I don't know. However, but I can just feel something is brewing and they want to make us hate everybody else for some reason.

[KoKo]

12. Good Points! Much as I like some of Dobbs lately this seemed to be a

toss to the "Ranchers" that Bush so loves to protect. And, the Agribusiness. He was trashing European animal products when everyone knows that we don't import animal products from France. He was trying to claim that our USDA inspections were not inspecting imported chickens and Beef or that we were "outsourcing USDA Inspections." It was totally false and turned me off wondering who the hell paid him off. Well, I shouldn't even ask who paid him off....:D

In general he's been good covering much about Bush that the other Pudit shows/Cable don't but I will be VERY wary from now on after seeing that piece of trash reporting on his show, seemingly designed to trash Europeans which we don't get our meat/fish supplies from :shrug:......
All grocery store frozen fish is China/Tailand/VietNam. I wonder what our restaurants are serving. Do we think USDA is checking out these imports? I think not....

[Kathy in Cambridge]

6. I only buy free-range, no hormone meat

and believe me, it tastes better. There are also some local halal and kosher butchers that carry excellent meats. I think these viruses will drive the cost up to the point where most folks can't afford 'organic' meat.

I am more worried about fish. New England has some of the best fish in the world. Wellfleet clams and oysters are considered the finest because of a combination of salination and plankton unique to the waters off the lower cape. Our shellfish population, however, is engangered due to lax pollution standards and mercury. I will miss the tradition of the New England clambake and lobster.

[KoKo]

9. Rational Rose! My fondest last Good Seafood memories are of New England

Guilford, Conn. to be exact and Charleston,S.C. back in the early 80's when one could order the "seafood platter" and get "clams, oysters, and lobster, flounder, sea scallops and nothing "smelled like it was old, tainted or was cooked to death."

I don't know where from New England down to Florida where on can get fish that "smells of the ocean breeze" and not of what folks today think is a seafood smell which means "old fish" from which one should run out of the room because if it smells of what one thinks is fish smell it's OLD...OLD....do not eat!

That old succulent bit of fresh breezes seems to be gone...the smell and taste of fresh ocean.....

it's too sad. But those who don't know seem to stay alive. Our aged are living longer and my 92 year old "mother-in-law" ate stuff I wouldn't touch like swordfish/halibut....which have long since been known as "mercury traps." Of course she is in a nursing home...but her mind is bright and clear...it's her body which has failed her.

But she spent most of her life eating the "good stuff" maybe?

[lastknowngood]

8. Here is some help try this website they have grass fed meat

I just returned from my home state of Arkansas and the hillbillies are now feeding their cattle that they eat and sell local only corn and grass. No hormones, antibiotics, or commercial feed. Man dose it taste wonderful! I haven't had a stake that great in years as well as pork. They are raising beef in pasture with only corn and grass, chickens with corn and free range, and pork with corn potatoes and penning them under trees with acorns. Man what a difference it makes.
http://www.eatwild.com/index.html
the link has local grass fed stock around the country.

[KoKo]

11. Thanks for the link to this. I have hopes that small farms could come

back given that some of us who still need to eat some meat, could find humane folks who treat animals well. I have many conflicts about this, but feel the worst of life is what goes on in those "Agri-business Pit Farms where the animals are "caged, forced fed victims" of "Corporatists."

If we could still hunt it "wild' and there was enough game, it might suit me the best, but I couldn't kill anything unless I was starving, and then it would have to be "bow and arrow," where I was trained to kill clean and not leave some defenseless animal suffering.

I just know that I need to eat some meat, but I can't deal with the poor quality of what's out there. It's gotta be stressed animals and bad feed. So your link is interesting. I tried "Laura's Beef" but think that there's something odd about her site and the beef is okay but "very bloody" and not "aged prime steaks."

[napi21]

15. Some educated advice.

First, a response to bow & arrow hunting......you better be a damn good shot or your method is the worst thing that make game suffer for a very long time. I've seen the results of deer that were shot with a rifle at a later time, and the infection from the previous wound of a misdirected arrow. Most hunters aren't very accurate!

Second, most of the US meat indusrty products are OK. Yes, you have some individual packing houses that try to cut corners, and that's where the problems happen. From all I've seen, trouble happens with some lunch meats that are undercooked and form bacteria, and the problem with Mad Cow is isolated to ground beef, because the infection is isolated to the spine, not the muscle meat. If you grind your own beef, you'll be fine.

My husband and I had a meat business for a lot of years and I know what I'm talking about.

I also think the information that was made public has jolted the big agribusinesses into the world of reality. They are all going to slow down the production lines to where they can guarantee the safety of their beef for very selfish reasons.

[charlie]

13. Send this to El Dobbo

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/27/national/nationalspecial2/27COW.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1077891229-65gVVjpwZ9Ke+Ly4QdNoqw

A Kansas beef rancher wants to use commercial BSE detection kits on his stock so he can resume exports to Japan (the tests are apparently acceptable to them). The USDA is blocking him. Other beef producers are shitting because he's "breaking ranks", tainting the fantasy that all US beef is wholesome.

[Dover]

14. I buy organic meats and grass fed beef or buffalo, when I purchase it.

I won't buy anything else anymore and have cut way down on meats in general.

[priller]

17. A frightening number from the latest "Harper's Index"

Ratio of the number of cows France tests EACH WEEK, to the number the US has tested in the LAST DECADE -- 7:6.

That's right, France tests more cows in a week than the US tests in TEN FREAKIN YEARS!!!

And you're going to tell me that French beef is suddenly suspect? BTW, I don't think I've ever seen French beef in a store, but I would buy it if I did.

[BonjourUSA]

18. If I ask to my butcher where his meat comes from...

He can immediately answer : where the cow has been killed, where the farm this cow comes from, how old it was, what is its race and how it was fed. Supermarkets can do too.

We call that "traceability"

[Kathy in Cambridge]

21. That's Europe-small farms are why the meat tastes better there

for Americans, it doesn't look better-red meat isn't as 'red' because of all the artificial coloring and hormones. But wow-steak tastes FABULOUS in France.

[BonjourUSA]

25. The "traceability" is the law

Hormones and antibiotics are banned.

The consumers must to know where theirs foods come from (meat, egg, poultry...).

All the components are written on the packages for foods, include the artificial colorings or % of sugar, salt...

[saltpoint]

19. Goddammit, Lou --

-- stop picking on the French. They aren't your enemies.
____

Lou is an example of a bright person whose intelligence is given over to forwarding his own biases.

He should NEVER have left the Teletubbies. Terrible career move for Lou, IMO. Sure, the remaining four are adjusting and doing pretty well, but Lou was their anchor, their SOUL.

For me, there will always be FIVE Teletubbies.

Come home, Lou. For the love of Christ, come home!

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[saltpoint]

20. Letter to Lou

An Open Letter to Lou Dobbs from The Teletubbies:

Dear Lou. Please come back to us. We are sad. We try to enjoy the program but we miss you. Come back now. We are sorry to make you angry and leave us. We promise we won't eat French meat anymore. BAD French meat! See? We will promise not to eat any meat France gives us.

Please come back. We love you, Lou. All kisses to you. Come back.

Signed:

Po Tinky-Winky La-La & Dipsy

[oc2002]

22. Lou was trying to say that the USDA inspection is a BIG JOKE.

In a round about way, that foreign meat is inspected by foreign inspectors on the same companies payroll and when it gets to the market it is stamped with USDA prime beef. Without ever having been actualy inspected!

That is against the law.

Yet it goes on day after day for many years, Clinton and the Dems where just as bad.


The other point is that we, the consumers, do not know where the beef came from! Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, France, Hungry? Not a clue. Just the USDA sticker we all should ignore because its meaningless.

Mexico is the worst, they where shiping 'inspected' beef that was tainted with E-coli, and Salmonila that most likely killed someone. Yet, the blame is not 100% on Republicans, but BOTH parties are GUILTY in this matter.

Killing our own people has now become bussness as ussual in the meat industry. The public is not concerned because the media is silent, does no day-after-day reporting on this public health issue, and well, thats America.

[shrike]

23. I grew up on a farm

where we ate the meat we raised ourselves. I had no idea how everyone else lived (and ate) until I moved out on my own.

We buy most of our meat, and poultry, from a local butcher who is more expensive than the grocery store, but much better quality. I don't eat much seafood because after leaving home I lived in New England for five years and became quite spoiled. One could buy swordfish or lobster right off the boat -- don't know if you still can, but you could when I lived there.

[JNelson6563]

24. Lou Dobbs is like a broken clock

he's only right twice a day. This wasn't one of those times.

Julie