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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:32 PM
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Uh Huh, Yeah Colin, We Believe You now! NOT!
One of the most amazing things in the world right now is watching Colin Powell deny US involvement in the Hatian coup and saying "that's the truth". You just know everyone is watching that performance and thinking of his last very public performance of BULLSHIT that he pulled at the UN, pre-Iraqfuckup. His credibility is shot completely, and no one's buying this shit.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:38 PM
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1. Exactly. If this regime were a tv show
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 10:42 PM by nu_duer
and credibility = ratings, they'd have been cancelled long ago.

What still baffles me is, why would powell, probably the only member of the regime for whom I ever had any respect, whore himself out to such an extent.

As someone else said earlier today about some cog in this regime's machine of death and deceit, I wouldn't believe powell now if he told me the sky was blue.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:40 PM
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2. Deja Vu - Colin Powell & Venezuela
Of course, a US state department official is trained to hear the sound of an oil well tap turning from several thousand miles away. Chavez is no friend to the US. He went on television to denounce the US bombing of civilians in Afghanistan, brandishing pictures of dead children. He is a public friend to Fidel Castro. It wasn't mentioned here, but he has had his meetings with Saddam Hussein and Gadafy. In Bush's list of those "either with us or against us", he's with the axis of irritants. "We are concerned with some of the things said by President Chavez, and his understanding of what a democratic system is about," said Colin Powell, with the hemmed in anger of a boss who has an employee he wants to sack, but the union won't let him.

<snip>

The world's press carried reports that could have been written by the coup leaders themselves, and, because they were based on these pictures, to a certain extent they were. This film punctured every lie. The world accused the pro-Chavez crowd of carrying out the shootings; O'Briain and Bartley's camera proved it wasn't so, filming the victims almost before they hit the ground. The coup leader Pedro Carmona's speech about this "profoundly democratic process" and Colin Powell's parroting of Carmona's lie was inter-cut with film of the police shooting at protestors. As Carmona was on CNN declaring that the "the country is in a state of total normality", the camera was in the palace from which he had just been ousted. It followed the palace guard as they moved to strategic positions, took the building back and reinstated Chavez.

http://www.chavezthefilm.com/html/film/review.htm


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THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED / ***1/2 (Not rated)

October 31, 2003

With Hugo Chavez, Pedro Carmona, Jesse Helms and Colin Powell.


Vitagraph Films presents a documentary directed by Kim Bartley and Donnacha O'Briain. Running time: 74 minutes. No MPAA rating. In English and Spanish with English subtitles.

BY ROGER EBERT

Was the United States a shadowy presence in the background of the aborted coup in Venezuela in 2002? The democratically elected government of Hugo Chavez was briefly overthrown by a cabal of rich businessmen and Army officers, shortly after their representatives had been welcomed in the White House. Oh, the United States denied any involvement in the episode; there's Colin Powell on TV, forthrightly professing innocence. But earlier we heard ominous rumblings from Jesse Helms, Ari Fleischer and George Tenet, agreeing that Chavez was no friend of the United States, and after the coup, there was no expression of dismay from Washington, no announcement that we would work to restore the elected government.

<snip>

This was, you may agree, a fair and obvious solution. But not to the 20 percent, of course. And not to other interested parties, including our friends the Saudis, whose people get poorer as the sheiks get richer. Charging Chavez with being a communist who wanted to bring Castroism to Venezuela, the rich and powerful staged a coup on April 12, 2002. Chavez was put under arrest and held on an island, and the millionaire businessman Pedro Carmona was sworn in as president. This was in violation of the constitution, but he blandly assured TV audiences he was in power because "of a mandate better than any referendum." There was no disagreement from Washington.

Incredibly, the coup failed. Hundreds of thousands of Chavez supporters surrounded the presidential palace, and the loyal presidential guard put the interlopers under arrest. Although the state-run Channel 8 was taken off the air and the private channels told lies and showed falsified news footage, Venezuelans learned from CNN and other cable channels that Chavez had not resigned and a coup had taken place; they demanded his return, and a few days later he arrived by helicopter at the presidential palace and resumed office.

These events are recounted in "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," a remarkable documentary by two Irish filmmakers that is playing in theaters on its way to HBO. It is remarkable because the filmmakers, Kim Bartley and Donnacha O'Briain, had access to virtually everything that happened within the palace during the entire episode. They happened to be in Caracas to make a doc about Chavez, they had access to his cabinet meetings, they were inside the palace under siege, they faced a tense deadline after which it would be bombed, they stayed after Chavez gave himself up to prevent the bombing, they filmed the new government, and there are astonishing shots such as the one where Chavez's men, now back in power, go down to the basement to confront coup leaders who have been taken prisoner. Why no one on either side thought to question the presence of the TV crew is a mystery, but they got an inside look at the coup -- before, during and after -- that is unique in film history.

<snip>


http://www.mail-archive.com/marxism@lists.panix.com/msg53902.html

Deja vu except that they learned from their mistake in Venezuela and got Aristide off the island immediately :(
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:40 PM
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3. Sound's like Lily Tomlin's character, Edith Ann
the nasal 5 year old who would tell a fantastic story and end it with "and that's the truth." Then give a rasberry.
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:41 PM
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4. The thugs
better be on your guard President Chavez the Bush thugs are waging war on elected presidents in this hemisphere.The Haitian President today,you tomorrow.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:44 PM
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6. Colon
What a coinkee dink, I just posted about Colon on another thread then went back to the board and here is a psot about that creep.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:42 PM
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5. I heard a radio report today and laughed bitterly at Colin's
statement about "those Congress people" who should have asked the WH first before going public with their statements/accusations.

Fooking Rummy sounded giddy.

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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:18 PM
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13. Rummy was worse, what a bad actor
"I don't think that what you are reporting is true, I don't think that Aristide said that"...blah, blah, blah..."I have not read that"...blah, blah, blah. I think Rumsfeld is a joke. F him.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:46 PM
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7. The more he talks, the more guilty the BFEE looks.
nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:47 PM
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8. we talk powell in honor of the past
but recently i learned something about him i didnt know. i first started hearing powell during iraq war. he was around before that, adn i see him differently. he was in the middle of the iran contra to do, really in it,. and they sent him over to europe during the investigation adn hearings and it kept him clean and not a part of it.

so he is not so squeaky clean and honorable as i had thought
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stldemocrat Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:55 PM
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9. Powell
It seems like he has taken a more dramatic turn for the worse though. I wonder if they "have" something on him, and are forcing him to tow the party line.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:58 PM
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10. not the conspiracy person
but hey why not. it was the same people. that may be it. wow
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 10:58 PM
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11. They must have had it on him his whole kiss ass republican life
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:00 PM
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12. Colin has always been a good bum boy for his bosses
No doubt he is well rewarded for his efforts.

When he was stationed in Viet Nam Powell was put in charge of investigating reports that some US troops were brutalizing and comitting attrocities against Viet Namese civilians. His supposed investigation took place while rumours of My Lai were starting to circulate among US forces(he was not charged specifically with invetigating My Lai). However his report was basically a whitewash and said everything was hunky dory between the troops and the civilians.

This is not the philosophy of a dove. As for "perceptions of right and wrong," there's his connection to one of Vietnam's most infamous incidents - the My Lai Massacre. Writing in the Toronto Globe and Mail, Christopher Hitchens charged that "as a staff major in Vietnam, Colin Powell played a direct role in suppressing the inquiry into the My Lai massacre and related atrocities against civilians."

The accusation that he played a "direct role" remains debatable, yet there is solid evidence he did nothing to help expose some of the abuses that led to the killing of hundreds of unarmed Vietnamese civilians. In researching their book, Four Hours in My Lai, British journalists Michel Bolton and Kevin Sim discovered a letter in the National Archives in Washington, DC from Tom Glen, a young US soldier who had served in Vietnam. Written in November 1968, it was addressed to General Creighton Abrams and described how some US soldiers were abusing Vietnamese civilians and captured Viet Cong suspects.

In 1996, Robert Perry and Norman Solomon described the letter in FAIR's publication EXTRA. "Glen's overall complaints encompassed some of the atrocities later dubbed ÔThe My Lai Massacre' (which had occurred on March 16, 1968)," they wrote. "Though Glen made no specific reference to My Lai, he expressed deep concern about American troops who without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves'."

When Glen's letter landed on Powell's desk, he did a quick investigation, but didn't interview the soldier and dismissed his charge as unfounded. In a memo dated December 13, 1968, Powell wrote: "In the direct refutation of the portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Case closed.


http://www.towardfreedom.com/sep03/powell.htm

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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:43 PM
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15. Rewarded for his efforts
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 11:44 PM by Art_from_Ark
You mean, like, getting his son installed as chairman of the FCC?
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homelandpunk Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:39 PM
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14. Colon said "that is...UH... the truth."
Just like that. "Aristide went willingly, and that is...uh...the truth."
If you choose to not stay in a room where you are told your brains will be blown out, but choose to leave that room, then yes, it is truth: you left willingly.
These thugs are really fucking precious.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:44 PM
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16. To quote George Carlin
(he was talking about Gulf War I at the time but it applies now)

Dick Cheney? Colin Powell? Somewhere somebody got fucked in the ass.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:44 PM
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17. baghdad bob is proud of him
they are time-twins
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:54 PM
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18. Watch Colin's eyes... he squints and blinks way too much
when he is lying.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:22 AM
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23. and his lips move
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:54 PM
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19. Watch Colin's eyes... he squints and blinks way too much
when he is lying.
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DEM FAN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:17 AM
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20. I Was Going To Start A Thread Like This. You Cannot Believe Anything
Powell Says Now. What BullShit!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-(
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:51 AM
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21. Colin Powell is a lying Bush whore
and everyone, and I mean EVERYONE - knows it.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:53 AM
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22. Could you just come out and say what you mean?
Just kidding! I agree with you completely!

:toast:
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:25 AM
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24. Everyone is buying this shit
And it is pissing me off that they are going to get away with it. You know they are going to get away with it.. right? NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!! I am so pissed right now.
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Michael Harrington Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:39 AM
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25. Since were exposing Colin's past...
I should point out that a lot of people think he altered Caspar Weinberger's diaries after the fact, on "Cap"'s orders, to obfuscate his (Weinberger's) role in, and knowledge of, Iran-Contra. There is fair evidence (I read about this more thana decade ago in The Nation.)
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 03:06 AM
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26. Can you believe this sanctimonious arrogant fuck weasel!

COME ON NOVEMBER!
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