The Sacred Institution of Marriage: This Modern World

[elfwitch]

Bigots are bigots no matter what era they belong to.

[phillybri]

1. Brilliant....

I'm sick of hearing shitbags like Santorum say the next logical step is polygamy and/or incest...

[elfwitch]

2. I think Ellen made a great point about that...

in one of her comedy specials. She did the entire bit about marrying and dating a goat. It was FUNNY!!! It also pointed out how stupid that Santorum type comments are.

[TheRedMan]

4. Not Ellen, Kathleen Madigan

"I don't care if you want to date a goat, just be sure you call the critter. Don't leave waiting up all night by the phone."

Very funny lady.

[elfwitch]

7. Actually I was refering to Ellen...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000053VAP/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-2558122-9591842?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846&st=*

It was in this show.

[xxqqqzme]

3. the language of bigotry

does not change - the only phrase from the 50's & 60's that doesn't translate 'next thing U know they'll want 2 marry your sister' - oh never mind, I guess that one can B used as well!

All that changes is the target 4 the hate! I am so sick of the crap I want 2 scream!

[prodigal_green]

5. Even my mom has turned...

Mom was an economic leftist but social conservative most of her life (don't ask me how, flexible joints I guess), and I recall her not being terribly approving of homosexuality up until fairly recently. Yesterday, talking to her on the phone, she was ranting about the amendment--AGAINST it! She spent the better part of her adult life in the South (lives there again in fact) and remembers the old anti-miscegenation laws and how disgusting, absurd, and inhumane they were. She sees this as exactly the same thing.

[pacifictiger]

8. "sacred" marriage

as defined first by the roman catholic empire, and then later by the dissenting protester protestants, was always first more about property rights than love between two people. The sons and daughters were told who to marry, often they didn't even know them, because the parents needed political and/or financial alliances. Marriage for priests was banned around 1200 so the church could claim their property, not their family. And lets not forget that, until fairly recently, women were considered mere chattels.
What a huge red herring this whole sanctity of marriage argument is.

[struggle4progress]

11. For a long time, in fact,

the medieval Church strongly opposed "love" as a basis of marriage.

[ClintonTyree]

6. Tom Tomorrow...................

hits the nail on the head yet again. I just wish his work was more widely seen by more than we 'alternative' types.

[BigDaddyLove]

9. Nice bit of fringe propganda.........

but maybe someone should remind Tom that Marriage has been around a lot longer than 1776, and that it's not only the vast majority of Americans who define it as between a man and a woman, but the rest of the world as well.

[pacifictiger]

10. check out his article

for a tidbit of history
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The very idea of a Christian homosexual marriage seems incredible. Yet after a 12-year search of Catholic and Orthodox church archives Yale history professor John Boswell has discovered that a type of Christian homosexual "marriage" did exist as late as the 18th century.

Contrary to myth, Christianity's concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has evolved both as a concept and as a ritual. Prof Boswell discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient church liturgical documents (and clearly separate from other types of non-marital blessings such as blessings of adopted children or land) were ceremonies called, among other titles, the "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century Greek) or the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).
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