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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:42 PM
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Bush intends to overthrow Chavez next - heard it on NPR about an
hour ago.

In discussing another topic, a bush* official let it slip.

Same old worn-out phrases they used in Iraq & Haiti.

Thug, corrupt, blah, blah, blah.

I don't think they meant it to come out yet.

Has anyone else heard this?!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:48 PM
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1. Next?
They've been trying to get rid of Chavez since 2001. They almost got away with it the first time, but since then they just can get the population (except for the rich) to turn against him.

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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:51 PM
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2. No, but I guess we were all looking in the wrong direction.
Seems Iran, Syria, North Korea are a little too much for the chimp to tackle, so he's going after countries closer to home.

What a war hero!

{sarcasm off)
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:40 AM
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24. Venezuela has oil
Common denominator. Chavez is trying to keep oil profits in Venezuela. Therefore, he is clearly evil.

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
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MrSoundAndVision Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:53 PM
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3. I buy the NPR hate speech...
but I don't buy the feasibility of US invading and occupying Venezuala. Those people love their leader. And that would be a jungle war. It won't happen like that. The coup strategy won't work either because they've seen it so obviously in Haiti, and certainly Venezuala's population is watching.

I don't know what'll happen I guess. You know it's a bit disheartening when you learn that there is virtually no chance Dennis Kucinich will be elected president and that Aristide was elected with 92% of the vote in Haiti, and that the self-proclaimed leader of the new Haitian military was broken out of prison only days ago where he served for murder. Bad day.

But I did have straight A's for midterm, AND I'm a grad student, AND I'm drinking my third martini right now, so I'm feeling a little better.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:02 PM
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5. Congratulations!
Here is hoping that it is Stoli and shaken not stirred.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 07:21 PM
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20. but unfortunately the population is split
and there are plenty of Venezuelans, especially rich and upper class but also others, who would gladly sell their country down the river if it would get rid of Chavez.

If the US does get involved there, it's gonna be a real battle though, because Chavezistas are VERY dedicated and determined and will fight the coup leaders and the US with every ounce of energy...

These Bush guys just don't get it, they learned nothing from Iraq...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:58 PM
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4. Chavez is ready
He won't go down easily.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:08 PM
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6. Bush + War + Oil = Iraq
Haiti + Coup = Bases

Bases + Mercenary Haitian Bush Thugs = Invasion of Venezuela

Venezuela = More Oil for Bush

More Oil for Bush = World Domination

World Domination = The ultimate goal of the BFEE
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:12 PM
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7. I hope the rest of the world is really paying attention to this.
I know about the previous attempts - this is just the latest.

I sure hope Chavez is trying to obtain some good defensive weapons to help protect him against our madman.

In fact I would urge all other countries to seriously consider stepping up their biggest weaponry systems to defend against our own home grown NAZI's.

I am sooooo ashamed of what my country has become.

We've simply got to fight, and fight hard to win in November.

The world is very close to a new holocost and dark ages unless something positive for enlightenment and progress happens very soon.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:45 PM
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8. Well, I hear our stooge in Columbia...
just put three divisions on the Venezuelan border.

Word is that Uribe just might decide to go looking for those terrorist FARC training camps over there in oil country.

It's been an open secret that we've been supporting Cisneros and his revolutionary army for a while now, so things just might get interesting down there. Note that we get about 20% of our imported oil from Venezuela.

Methinks Haiti was just the start of it. Unlike Iraq, we're letting the locals do the dirty work, and we step in and pick up the pieces.

Your tax dollars at work.







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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:49 PM
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9. Makes me sick.
n/t
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 04:12 AM
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17. Remember, Wes Clark spent a year running Southern Command
which include the Caribbean and Latin America.
I wonder what democratically enlightened policies he carried out?

(sarcasm off)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:14 AM
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10. This is my first message at DU
Bush has all the old Nixon people around him - they're vampires, they never die - and he's doing what the U.S. did in the late 1960s and early 1970s - like when the CIA assassinated Allende in Chile and installed a murderous dictator.

What's happening now is like a bad dream.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:15 AM
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11. and I wish someone would wake me up.
Welcome to DU yardwork! Keep coming back.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:54 AM
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12. This is worse than then.
These guys have 30 more years of experience, and they've been breeding new little vampires during that time.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:35 AM
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14. Welcome, yardwork.
Yes, we are resurrecting and recycling bad guys.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:09 AM
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15. Welcome yardwork
and I agree totally - feel like I should be waking up on the couch soon to hear the cable news annouce that Al Goer has just won the US Presidential election! :hi:
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:41 AM
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22. like vampires -- LOL! A good one! Welcome to DU!
We need a sense of humor like that.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:57 AM
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13. I thought that haiti was meant to be amessage to chavez hes gots lots o
oil!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 05:06 AM
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18. Welcome Yardwork. I heard Chavez state , after he called *
an A.hole, that he wouldn't be shipping any oil to us if shrubya made a move on him........
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:47 AM
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16. Does anyone know how much outcry there's been about the Haiti coup?
I mean, in the world. At least when the US attacked Iraq, there were loud voices like France and Germany, and demos everywhere. I know the Caribbean nations are appalled, but France is fine with the Haiti coup, and even Canada!

As bad as it was last year with Iraq, I consoled myself that there were forces in the world that would at least try to resist US aggression. Now, I wonder, and am MUCH more fearful. My hope is that the whole world is ANGRY but is biding its time and being clever. Oh, but that's what we all thought about the DLC before the 2002 elections...

So, yes, I think the toppling of Chavez is still on the agenda, to be followed by the toppling of Castro. For the oil, of course, but also because socialists are "evil" to resist the corporate capitalist agenda. God help us all if they (* and gang) get away with it. Our last bulwark at home seems to be the Congressional Black Caucus and a few other Democrats who are pushing for an investigation of the Haiti coup. I alternately cursed and cheered as I watched the hearing on that tonight on c-span. Mostly, I was utterly depressed to think that every embassy in the world, every agency in our government is filled with people carefully placed to do the most damage, ready to obey any order of the megalomaniacs in the WH. And in foreign relations, at least, they have not been thwarted even once.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 07:18 PM
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19. bugger all reaction in Australia
it's been a small item in the better quality newspapers and public broadcasters TV news but hasn't caused a blip in the national consciousness at all
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 12:43 AM
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23. French gov't is happy. Aristide annoyed them demanding $21 Billion.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:33 AM
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25. not much. most people seem to have forgotten who these 'rebels' are,
while harping on about Aristides supposedly bad human rights record.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 07:23 PM
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21. Not if we throw * out first
Who the hell do these people think they are to go around knocking off leaders of other nations?! God, I can't WAIT till November!
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